Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[San Lumen]

Have you not been listening this whole time! No theatre will make a profit with social distancing.

No theatre will make a profit remaining closed either.

What do they do then in your view reopen and in the hypothetical I gave which would almost certainly happen the theatre company has to to tell Billy they can't pay him his salary every week because the show isn't making enough money in ticket sales and as a result he can't pay his rent?

[Greed and Death]

Have you not been listening this whole time! No theatre will make a profit with social distancing.

No theatre will make a profit remaining closed either.

But you can minimize losses by staying closed. Don't have to pay actors or people to work concessions or to clean.

[Australian rePublic]

They won’t make money. The tickets would be so expensive very few could afford it

Perhaps it might be best if it were underwritten by the state or if we do away with the notion that something should only exist if it can turn a profit.

And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have

[San Lumen]

Perhaps it might be best if it were underwritten by the state or if we do away with the notion that something should only exist if it can turn a profit.

And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have

Theatre alone brings 4 billion dollars to the NYC economy every year.

[Kannap]

No theatre will make a profit remaining closed either.

What do they do then in your view reopen and in the hypothetical I gave which would almost certainly happen the theatre company has to to tell Billy they can't pay him his salary every week because the show isn't making enough money in ticket sales and as a result he can't pay his rent?

Is Billy getting paid every week if the theatres are closed?

[San Lumen]

What do they do then in your view reopen and in the hypothetical I gave which would almost certainly happen the theatre company has to to tell Billy they can't pay him his salary every week because the show isn't making enough money in ticket sales and as a result he can't pay his rent?

Is Billy getting paid every week if the theatres are closed?

I would assume he would get unemployment but if the theatre reopens he can;'t collect and with social distancing the show won't make enough to pay him his salary every week therefore he doesn't have the money to pay his bills or his rent.

[Andsed]

No theatre will make a profit remaining closed either.

What do they do then in your view reopen and in the hypothetical I gave which would almost certainly happen the theatre company has to to tell Billy they can't pay him his salary every week because the show isn't making enough money in ticket sales and as a result he can't pay his rent?

“Sorry man we can’t pay you and were going to have to let you go. Best of luck to you.”

[San Lumen]

What do they do then in your view reopen and in the hypothetical I gave which would almost certainly happen the theatre company has to to tell Billy they can't pay him his salary every week because the show isn't making enough money in ticket sales and as a result he can't pay his rent?

“Sorry man we can’t pay you and were going to have to let you go. Best of luck to you.”

and that would happen to the entire cast. The show won't make enough to pay any of them their salary

[Kannap]

“Sorry man we can’t pay you and were going to have to let you go. Best of luck to you.”

and that would happen to the entire cast. The show won't make enough to pay any of them their salary

So, rough estimate here, what's the acceptable number of COVID deaths or coronavirus cases before Billy's salary isn't worth it?

[Andsed]

No theatre will make a profit remaining closed either.

But you can minimize losses by staying closed. Don't have to pay actors or people to work concessions or to clean.

Which is why businesses are not required to reopen(afaik) But if they choose to do so they need to social distance.

[San Lumen]

But you can minimize losses by staying closed. Don't have to pay actors or people to work concessions or to clean.

Which is why businesses are not required to reopen(afaik) But if they choose to do so they need to social distance.

and in a theatre its impossible and that's four billion dollars in revenue the city will not make and the ripple effect of that is massive.

[No State Here]

I was watching GPS on CNN this morning, and Fareed Zakaria mentioned how the coronavirus could signal the end of global populism, giving three examples in Trump, Bolsonaro, and Lopez Obrador, three renowned populists who completely messed up their coronavirus response, in a way tied to the nature of populism, where the leaders would attempt to create a cult around their image and ideals.

[San Lumen]

and that would happen to the entire cast. The show won't make enough to pay any of them their salary

So, rough estimate here, what's the acceptable number of COVID deaths or coronavirus cases before Billy's salary isn't worth it?

What are you insinuating here?

[Greed and Death]

So, rough estimate here, what's the acceptable number of COVID deaths or coronavirus cases before Billy's salary isn't worth it?

What are you insinuating here?

They are insinuating you of wanting to kill your grandma.

[San Lumen]

What are you insinuating here?

They are insinuating you of wanting to kill your grandma.

I said nothing of the sort

[Andsed]

Which is why businesses are not required to reopen(afaik) But if they choose to do so they need to social distance.

and in a theatre its impossible and that's four billion dollars in revenue the city will not make and the ripple effect of that is massive.

Okay? What exactly is your suggestion? Because if a theater once to reopen anytime soon it needs to social distance. No getting around that. Honestly feels like your just complaining for the sake of complaining.

[San Lumen]

and in a theatre its impossible and that's four billion dollars in revenue the city will not make and the ripple effect of that is massive.

Okay? What exactly is your suggestion? Because if a theater once to reopen anytime soon it needs to social distance. No getting around that.

They wont be able to because they can't make money by social distancing. Why do I constantly have to repeat this?

[Andsed]

Okay? What exactly is your suggestion? Because if a theater once to reopen anytime soon it needs to social distance. No getting around that.

They wont be able to because they can't make money by social distancing. Why do I constantly have to repeat this?

Then they stayed closed or it's staff can seek other employment.

[Kannap]

So, rough estimate here, what's the acceptable number of COVID deaths or coronavirus cases before Billy's salary isn't worth it?

What are you insinuating here?

For theatres to reopen without social distancing, people will have to die and spread the virus. How many people dying and having the virus is acceptable for these places to reopen?

[San Lumen]

They wont be able to because they can't make money by social distancing. Why do I constantly have to repeat this?

Then they stayed closed or it's staff can seek other employment.

They will and its probable many will and when Broadway reopens if does at all it will be a shell of its former self with many aspiring talent and veterans having left for good.

Our state government has shown no interest in helping the industry at all.

[Kannap]

They are insinuating you of wanting to kill your grandma.

I said nothing of the sort

Believing something G&D says? That's a paddlin'

[Greed and Death]

They are insinuating you of wanting to kill your grandma.

I said nothing of the sort

Long term Broadway might not survive, or might survive in a greatly diminished form.

New York City will likely have to go through bankruptcy which would mean many retired city workers with reduced pensions and the like.

[San Lumen]

What are you insinuating here?

For theatres to reopen without social distancing, people will have to die and spread the virus. How many people dying and having the virus is acceptable for these places to reopen?

They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.

[Greed and Death]

I said nothing of the sort

Believing something G&D says? That's a paddlin'

Note that is not a denial on your part, it is only a deflection.

[San Lumen]

I said nothing of the sort

Long term Broadway might not survive, or might survive in a greatly diminished form.

New York City will likely have to go through bankruptcy which would mean many retired city workers with reduced pensions and the like.

At this point im beginning to doubt it will and that's a massive blow to the city economy from which it would take a generation to recover