Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Kannap]

Wearing seatbelts.and having speed.limits otoh is totally unheard of.

And Anti-Freedom^tm.

Give me liberty to fly through my windshield at 40 mph or give me... Well I guess both options are death actually

[-Astoria]

Give me liberty to fly through my windshield at 40 mph or give me... Well I guess both options are death actually

Talk about a literal rock & hard place.

[Albrenia]

Even if we accept the comparison with cars, don't they know the state has legal authority to close off access to some roads if there are dangerous conditions, and many laws exist against driving in a dangerous manner even if one makes the call themselves of it being 'safe enough'?

[Salandriagado]

An increase in cases is to be expected. The time for major concern is when there is a dramatic spike that could overwhelm hospitals.

If we have a second shutdown I worry there could mass resistance

Reminder: anti-lockdown protests are about as popular as Welsh Independence protests. In England.

[Salandriagado]

I've heard theories that getting both at the same time could be much more lethal. Quite a worry.

How could you possibly get both at same time?

Really easily? They're both transmitted in the same way, so if you're in a situation where you're likely to catch one, you're also in a situation where you're likely to catch others. Double (and triple) infections have also been linked to a few superspreading cases (more on those later) - if you get the other infection first, it means that you'll be sneezing around the peak shedding period for COVID-19, so will spread it much further.

[Salandriagado]

I agree with this and I would assume the same as any other state.

Um, Georgia has told lies before. So what I'd assume is that they're swabbing a lot of people to look like they're testing a lot (they were heavily criticized early for hardly testing at all), but all that swabbing has produced a huge backlog at the lab. The results we're seeing could be weeks old.

It must be said though, that other states are also lax in publishing the testing delay. It's actually vital to know.

It's also possible that they're doing pool testing (a few places, notably including Germany, definitely are - it's how they got their numbers so high so quickly): the basic approach is that you take two samples from everybody (or take one and split it). The first one you mix with a bunch of other people's samples, then test it with your highest-sensitivity test. If it comes up negative, you can be pretty confident that none of those people had it, so you don't need to test them individually. If it comes up positive, you take their second samples and test them all individually. Doing this massively cuts down on how many physical tests you need to test a given number of people.

[Salandriagado]

If there are no antibodies, and there's a chance of reinfection, then how would a vaccine work?

There are antibodies. If there weren't, literally everybody who got infected would die.

Also, vaccines very often trigger much higher levels of immunity than the natural diseases.

[Salandriagado]

It's amazing that the USA only has twice as many infections per capita then Canada. Does that say more about the USA or more about Canada?

Of Canada's ~79,000 cases, ~40,000 have recovered.

The problem here is primarily Quebec.

Is there any problem in Canada where that isn't the case?

[Jedi Council]

Of Canada's ~79,000 cases, ~40,000 have recovered.

The problem here is primarily Quebec.

Is there any problem in Canada where that isn't the case?

It's always Quebec.

[Gormwood]

Senator Savid Perdue compares Covid-19 to automotive deaths, says its each individuals responsibility to make a risk assessment.

As the article states, statement was made the day Perdue's home state, Georgia, announced that its total deaths related to Covid had grown to exceed the previous years total deaths for car accidents.

Anthony Fauci has called the comparison to car accidents "way off base" and "a false equivalency."

If only catching coronavirus required a license and insurance first...

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Senator Savid Perdue compares Covid-19 to automotive deaths, says its each individuals responsibility to make a risk assessment.

As the article states, statement was made the day Perdue's home state, Georgia, announced that its total deaths related to Covid had grown to exceed the previous years total deaths for car accidents.

Anthony Fauci has called the comparison to car accidents "way off base" and "a false equivalency."

He's not always right then.

Cars are illegal now, society has progressed past the need for cars

Wearing seatbelts.and having speed.limits otoh is totally unheard of.

The tipping point for many states considering seat belt laws, came when they realized that not wearing a belt endangers others. Yeah, crazy as it sounds, eighty kilos of meat flying out a windscreen actually endangers others besides the person embodied in said meat.

Speed limits are a more obvious example though. Perdue was saying that if we let each person assess the risk to themselves and act accordingly, we'll get a pretty good outcome. This is like saying we don't need speed limits. Or vehicle safety standards. Or really any government regulation at all ... drive a two-lane-wide heavy mining vehicle at whatever speed you want, anywhere you want (why stay on the road even?) because freedom is not giving a fuck what happens to anyone else!

[The New California Republic]

If we have a second shutdown I worry there could mass resistance

Perhaps in the US. Not seeing it happening elsewhere.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Texas, North Carolina, Arizona see rising cases as they reopen.

There are two reasons for the increases: testing has increased and all three States are relaxing their restrictions. This varies from Georgia, which has a slight decrease and Florida's which has remained flat line. Of course, it is possible increases could occur due to some not showing symptoms until about 2 weeks later. Either way, it's a case by case basis.

If a state doesn’t do the reopening in stages and with a solid contingency plan in place, that’s what happens.

[Salandriagado]

If we have a second shutdown I worry there could mass resistance

Perhaps in the US. Not seeing it happening elsewhere.

In the UK, at least, the anti-lockdown movement is barely more popular than flat eartherism.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's amazing that the USA only has twice as many infections per capita then Canada. Does that say more about the USA or more about Canada?

Of Canada's ~79,000 cases, ~40,000 have recovered.

The problem here is primarily Quebec.
Luckily, my own province, BC, was where our first case was detected and has acted incredibly quickly. We only had 16 new cases over the Victoria Day Long weekend and 2 new deaths.

EDIT: Useful comparison, of cases that have been closed of Covid-19 in the US, a whopping 21% have ended in death.

I was in Victoria on Victoria Day once! This is not interesting, I realize that. I just didn't know there was a Victoria Day and my car had broken down and I needed to go to a shop because my attempts had failed.

We almost went to tea at that fancy hotel but then we found out how much it cost to drink tea and tiny sandwiches.

Oof, this just came on the talky box. Navajo nation surpasses New York in infection rates.

We really need to address the legacy of the native populations and the reservation system.

[Jedi Council]

Of Canada's ~79,000 cases, ~40,000 have recovered.

The problem here is primarily Quebec.
Luckily, my own province, BC, was where our first case was detected and has acted incredibly quickly. We only had 16 new cases over the Victoria Day Long weekend and 2 new deaths.

EDIT: Useful comparison, of cases that have been closed of Covid-19 in the US, a whopping 21% have ended in death.

I was in Victoria on Victoria Day once! This is not interesting, I realize that. I just didn't know there was a Victoria Day and my car had broken down and I needed to go to a shop because my attempts had failed.

We almost went to tea at that fancy hotel but then we found out how much it cost to drink tea and tiny sandwiches.

Oof, this just came on the talky box. Navajo nation surpasses New York in infection rates.

We really need to address the legacy of the native populations and the reservation system.

The Empress? High Tea costs ~$75 Canadian per person these days. It's a little excessive.

Victoria, Victoria Day, a lot of things were named after her!

Both the US and Canada need to do that.

[Diahon]

If we have a second shutdown I worry there could mass resistance

Perhaps in the US. Not seeing it happening elsewhere.

not going to secondguess the aussies here, but i keep encountering worrisome indications of resistance against anything percieved to be globalist, liberal, or the like

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Perhaps in the US. Not seeing it happening elsewhere.

In the UK, at least, the anti-lockdown movement is barely more popular than flat eartherism.

It's sad how submissive a lot of people have gotten to government authority.

[Jedi Council]

In the UK, at least, the anti-lockdown movement is barely more popular than flat eartherism.

It's sad how submissive a lot of people have gotten to government authority.

I think most people recognize when government authority is being used for their best interest.

[Celritannia]

In the UK, at least, the anti-lockdown movement is barely more popular than flat eartherism.

It's sad how submissive a lot of people have gotten to government authority.

It's not being submissive, it's not wanting their family and friends to catch it or die from the virus.

[Theodosiya]

It's sad how submissive a lot of people have gotten to government authority.

I think most people recognize when government authority is being used for their best interest.

It's sad how submissive a lot of people have gotten to government authority.

It's not being submissive, it's not wanting their family and friends to catch it or die from the virus.

Convincing or talking to GVH to remember that "muh freedom" isn't absolute when you life in civilised society is as useful as talking to wall. My advice, just ignore him, lest you start thinking about how to deal with him. Given he had reported people before regarding something I forget right now...

[Diahon]

I think most people recognize when government authority is being used for their best interest.

It's not being submissive, it's not wanting their family and friends to catch it or die from the virus.

Convincing or talking to GVH to remember that "muh freedom" isn't absolute when you life in civilised society is as useful as talking to wall. My advice, just ignore him, lest you start thinking about how to deal with him. Given he had reported people before regarding something I forget right now...

ah, were you talking about me? it only ended on me losing my second account here

fun times, that, and by "fun" i mean i'm still upset about it

[Celritannia]

I think most people recognize when government authority is being used for their best interest.

It's not being submissive, it's not wanting their family and friends to catch it or die from the virus.

Convincing or talking to GVH to remember that "muh freedom" isn't absolute when you life in civilised society is as useful as talking to wall. My advice, just ignore him, lest you start thinking about how to deal with him. Given he had reported people before regarding something I forget right now...

You haven't seen him in the UK thread. A lot of us are well aware of his usual shtick.

[Theodosiya]

Convincing or talking to GVH to remember that "muh freedom" isn't absolute when you life in civilised society is as useful as talking to wall. My advice, just ignore him, lest you start thinking about how to deal with him. Given he had reported people before regarding something I forget right now...

You haven't seen him in the UK thread. A lot of us are well aware of his usual shtick.

Enlighten me...

[Juristonia]

Enlighten me...

> Make a series of controversial statements
> Wait for someone unaware of the routine to take the bait
> Report