Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

[Neutraligon]

Mind linking this.

https://www.sj-r.com/news/20200409/prit ... -available


https://loudwire.com/california-governo ... s-vaccine/

They specify herd immunity, which technically does not require the vaccine. That being said, seems a little silly to put it that way.

[San Lumen]

https://www.sj-r.com/news/20200409/prit ... -available


https://loudwire.com/california-governo ... s-vaccine/

They specify herd immunity, which technically does not require the vaccine. That being said, seems a little silly to put it that way.

That’s if that is even a thing. I think it’s silly as well.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Errrrr....I don't know how to comment. Billions of dollars should be cheap for America.However, from the information I read, Mr. trump has slashed the CDC budget in recent years.

He has. I am talking about this by the way. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... story.html

The year contact was necessary to allow the business to meet costs. Apparently this has been offered before without the contract, and the company had to eat it. Think about it we could have had a US company with jobs in the US making the masks necessary to prevent the shortage, hopefully helping to reduce the spread of the virus early on (especially among frontline workers), and because of lack of budget and other issues, it never happened. This is the type of thing I would think a president would dream of taking advantage of.

There have been so many opportunities for a President to exercise moral (and material) leadership. Trump just doesn't see them.

To me, Trump slipping on that old Republican banana-skin "leave it to the states" was when he sealed his fate. The virus will roll across the United States, taking out Governors of both parties, and no matter what Trump does to help he'll never get the moral leadership back. Invoking states rights is something that can't be undone.

A vaccine is not the only way to deal with this, and a ton of research across multiple different universities, companies and governments is being done to figure out other methods of aiding the sick using medicine.

Yet some leaders are acting like it is

Well a vaccine is the ideal. Anyone who hasn't got sick yet never will get sick. That is better than treating people once they get sick ... for medical cost reasons if no other.

Suppose there is a treatment developed, and it's so good that nobody who gets it ever dies of covid. That means we can open up and remove lockdowns completely ... NOT. It will be in limited supply at first, we'll still need to limit the rate of new infections for a while. If it needs to be administered in hospital, that's another limit on how quickly we can open up.

It would still be great though. Once it was available in large quantities, we would see the end of all restrictions. Just be aware that isn't from the day the new treatment is finished tested and approved for use.

[Australian rePublic]

All the people who were in favour of banning plastic take away containers, saying that it's not a health hazard to serve take away food into someone's reusable food containers. I sincerely hope you're no longer hold this position

[Nobel Hobos 2]

All the people who were in favour of banning plastic take away containers, saying that it's not a health hazard to serve take away food into someone's reusable food containers. I sincerely hope you're no longer hold this position

What's the problem? You wash the old container first don't you?

[Albrenia]

All the people who were in favour of banning plastic take away containers, saying that it's not a health hazard to serve take away food into someone's reusable food containers. I sincerely hope you're no longer hold this position

If one washes things correctly Covid-19 dies even to measures as light as soap.

[Australian rePublic]

All the people who were in favour of banning plastic take away containers, saying that it's not a health hazard to serve take away food into someone's reusable food containers. I sincerely hope you're no longer hold this position

What's the problem? You wash the old container first don't you?

I would. You would. If you think everybody would, I have news for you...

[Australian rePublic]

All the people who were in favour of banning plastic take away containers, saying that it's not a health hazard to serve take away food into someone's reusable food containers. I sincerely hope you're no longer hold this position

If one washes things correctly Covid-19 dies even to measures as light as soap.

There are other diseases in circulation which aren't Covid-19, you know?

Either case, can you trust that everyone, every single person, would wash such containers? Because if you do, I got news for you...

[Albrenia]

If one washes things correctly Covid-19 dies even to measures as light as soap.

There are other diseases in circulation which aren't Covid-19, you know?

Either case, can you trust that everyone, every single person, would wash such containers? Because if you do, I got news for you...

A fair point.

A pity we can't find something which is disposable and cheap yet doesn't poison our ecosystem.

[Australian rePublic]

There are other diseases in circulation which aren't Covid-19, you know?

Either case, can you trust that everyone, every single person, would wash such containers? Because if you do, I got news for you...

A fair point.

A pity we can't find something which is disposable and cheap yet doesn't poison our ecosystem.

Paper. Not sure how you'd transport sauces in paper though...

[Albrenia]

A fair point.

A pity we can't find something which is disposable and cheap yet doesn't poison our ecosystem.

Paper. Not sure how you'd transport sauces in paper though...

I do like sauces. Like, quite a lot.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

What's the problem? You wash the old container first don't you?

I would. You would. If you think everybody would, I have news for you...

Anyone so lazy and dirty that they'd hand a dirty container to someone serving food, should be told to keep their container and they can PAY FOR a plastic tray instead.

See I'm not one of "those people" who would outright ban plastic disposable items. They'd still be an option but shops would be required to charge for them.

The closest I can find to what you're talking about. South Australia wanted to ban plastic disposables, but they did NOT require customers bring their own.

It's some lunatic from the Green party who hadn't thought it through probably. OR a parody of their views by whatever dire source of opinion it is you listen to.

[Australian rePublic]

Paper. Not sure how you'd transport sauces in paper though...

I do like sauces. Like, quite a lot.

Everything from sour cream, to ketchup, to tzatziki, to the various sauces you get at Chinese restaurants, to etc. Transporting these would be a nightmare without plastic

[Nobel Hobos 2]

There are other diseases in circulation which aren't Covid-19, you know?

Either case, can you trust that everyone, every single person, would wash such containers? Because if you do, I got news for you...

A fair point.

A pity we can't find something which is disposable and cheap yet doesn't poison our ecosystem.

It's not that fair a point. People should have the option of using their own container, but the onus would be on them to wash the damn thing. If they didn't, there are other options lie paper. And if the sauce leaks and gets on their car seat, who's fault is that?

And since it's supposed to be about covid not some culture war shit, I would expect food service people to wash their hands or change their gloves after handling anything from a customer. Whether that's cash, or a re-usable container. Whether that still applies after covid, we can worry about after covid.

[Nakena]

A fair point.

A pity we can't find something which is disposable and cheap yet doesn't poison our ecosystem.

Paper. Not sure how you'd transport sauces in paper though...

Glas. Duh.

Also recycleable plastics.

But not really the thread topic.

[Australian rePublic]

I would. You would. If you think everybody would, I have news for you...

Anyone so lazy and dirty that they'd hand a dirty container to someone serving food, should be told to keep their container and they can PAY FOR a plastic tray instead.

See I'm not one of "those people" who would outright ban plastic disposable items. They'd still be an option but shops would be required to charge for them.

The closest I can find to what you're talking about. South Australia wanted to ban plastic disposables, but they did NOT require customers bring their own.

It's some lunatic from the Green party who hadn't thought it through probably. OR a parody of their views by whatever dire source of opinion it is you listen to.

Some lunatic in the Green's party? How about policy in some UK supermarkets? There were serious suggestions to make it a thing here, but it never got off the ground because of hygiene reasons

Also, I've studied food safety. Just because something looks clean, doesn't mean that it is. That's one of the first things we learnt when studying food safety? How can you tell they've washed their hands in the correct manner? Do they even know how to wash their hands in the correct matter?

The golden rule of food safety- if you don't know whose touched the container, assume it's unclean

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Anyone so lazy and dirty that they'd hand a dirty container to someone serving food, should be told to keep their container and they can PAY FOR a plastic tray instead.

See I'm not one of "those people" who would outright ban plastic disposable items. They'd still be an option but shops would be required to charge for them.

The closest I can find to what you're talking about. South Australia wanted to ban plastic disposables, but they did NOT require customers bring their own.

It's some lunatic from the Green party who hadn't thought it through probably. OR a parody of their views by whatever dire source of opinion it is you listen to.

Some lunatic in the Green's party? How about policy in some UK supermarkets? There were serious suggestions to make it a thing here, but it never got off the ground because of hygiene reasons

Also, I've studied food safety. Just because something looks clean, doesn't mean that it is. That's one of the first things we learnt when studying food safety? How can you tell they've washed their hands in the correct manner? Do they even know how to wash their hands in the correct matter?

The golden rule of food safety- if you don't know whose touched the container, assume it's unclean

That basically murders your own point. Food service people have to handle cash from the customer, they should wash their hands or change their gloves after each handling.

So you're going to say that a customer who wants the food served into their own container, deserves less effort from the staff than a customer who wants to pay with cash. Are you?

[Australian rePublic]

A fair point.

A pity we can't find something which is disposable and cheap yet doesn't poison our ecosystem.

It's not that fair a point. People should have the option of using their own container, but the onus would be on them to wash the damn thing. If they didn't, there are other options lie paper. And if the sauce leaks and gets on their car seat, who's fault is that?

And since it's supposed to be about covid not some culture war shit, I would expect food service people to wash their hands or change their gloves after handling anything from a customer. Whether that's cash, or a re-usable container. Whether that still applies after covid, we can worry about after covid.

Come up with some idiot-proof method of knowing with 100% certainty when a container is clean, and I'll coincide that you're correct. Also, good luck washing the scoop used to transport food from tray to container after every single use. Definitely impossible. The reason why I brought it up in the Covid thread was because I was hoping that Covid would be a wake up call to how terrible of an idea it is, and that the idea dies moving forward

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Some lunatic in the Green's party? How about policy in some UK supermarkets? There were serious suggestions to make it a thing here, but it never got off the ground because of hygiene reasons

Also, I've studied food safety. Just because something looks clean, doesn't mean that it is. That's one of the first things we learnt when studying food safety? How can you tell they've washed their hands in the correct manner? Do they even know how to wash their hands in the correct matter?

The golden rule of food safety- if you don't know whose touched the container, assume it's unclean

That basically murders your own point. Food service people have to handle cash from the customer, they should wash their hands or change their gloves after each handling.

So you're going to say that a customer who wants the food served into their own container, deserves less effort from the staff than a customer who wants to pay with cash. Are you?

Cash is very dirty.....Very very dirty.You never know how many people have touched it.

[Australian rePublic]

Some lunatic in the Green's party? How about policy in some UK supermarkets? There were serious suggestions to make it a thing here, but it never got off the ground because of hygiene reasons

Also, I've studied food safety. Just because something looks clean, doesn't mean that it is. That's one of the first things we learnt when studying food safety? How can you tell they've washed their hands in the correct manner? Do they even know how to wash their hands in the correct matter?

The golden rule of food safety- if you don't know whose touched the container, assume it's unclean

That basically murders your own point. Food service people have to handle cash from the customer, they should wash their hands or change their gloves after each handling.

So you're going to say that a customer who wants the food served into their own container, deserves less effort from the staff than a customer who wants to pay with cash. Are you?

You go to Woolies and buy seafood salad, for example. The person at the counter scoops the seafood salad into the container. Whatever germs were in the container would jump on to the scoop and be waiting in the seafood salad pile to be transported to everyone who buys seafood salad. I didn't mean it literally when I said "if you don't know who's touched it" what I meant to say is "if you can't trust that those who've touched it...". As far as handling cash, etc. They are supposed to change gloves or wash their hands every time they do. Just because they don't, doesn't mean they're doing the right thing

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It's not that fair a point. People should have the option of using their own container, but the onus would be on them to wash the damn thing. If they didn't, there are other options lie paper. And if the sauce leaks and gets on their car seat, who's fault is that?

And since it's supposed to be about covid not some culture war shit, I would expect food service people to wash their hands or change their gloves after handling anything from a customer. Whether that's cash, or a re-usable container. Whether that still applies after covid, we can worry about after covid.

Come up with some idiot-proof method of knowing with 100% certainty when a container is clean, and I'll coincide that you're correct. Also, good luck washing the scoop used to transport food from tray to container after every single use. Definitely impossible. The reason why I brought it up in the Covid thread was because I was hoping that Covid would be a wake up call to how terrible of an idea it is, and that the idea dies moving forward

Well my position remains that customers should be allowed to bring their own re-usable containers. Service staff should assume they're unclean JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD WITH CASH. If changing their gloves is an effort for them that's just too bad.

Staff should be washing their hands or changing their gloves every time they handle cash from a customer. Yes or no?

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I STINK

YOU BASTY

WTF

[Australian rePublic]

Come up with some idiot-proof method of knowing with 100% certainty when a container is clean, and I'll coincide that you're correct. Also, good luck washing the scoop used to transport food from tray to container after every single use. Definitely impossible. The reason why I brought it up in the Covid thread was because I was hoping that Covid would be a wake up call to how terrible of an idea it is, and that the idea dies moving forward

Well my position remains that customers should be allowed to bring their own re-usable containers. Service staff should assume they're unclean JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD WITH CASH. If changing their gloves is an effort for them that's just too bad.

Staff should be washing their hands or changing their gloves every time they handle cash from a customer. Yes or no?

Yes. So what about scoops? You haven't addressed scoops. Or tongs or whatever is used to transport food into the container? They would get more contaminated than the server's hands ever would. And how does this work with deliveries.

Further, ideally, the person handling cash would be a different individual to the one serving food. The person/s handling cash shouldn't be touching food

[Nobel Hobos 2]

YOU BASTY

WTF

Don't talk to the banana. People will think you're crazy.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

WTF

Don't talk to the banana. People will think you're crazy.

OK.....i see now