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Coronavirus Thread IV: Legends, Laments and Lockdowns

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Have you or anyone in your vincinity been affected by COVID-19?

I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed with COVID-19
300
44%
I know someone was diagnosed with COVID-19
159
23%
Someone very close to me was diagnosed with COVID-19
42
6%
I know someone who was hospitalized with COVID-19
62
9%
Someone very close to me was hospitalized with COVID-19
30
4%
I was diagnosed with COVID-19
23
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I was hospitalized with COVID-19
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1%
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Postby Bombadil » Sat May 09, 2020 7:32 pm

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I mean.. every president has blown people up in some poor country, it's par for the course. Doesn't mean we throw them all in at the same level. Trump is a fucking disaster, Obama was a great president by comparison despite having to make some difficult and questionable decisions.

He was left with a massive power vacuum in the ME caused by another shifty, lying administration, who also managed to completely crash the economy, you'd think people would learn.

It’s all good if he blows up the Arab kids as long as the economy is all good.


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Postby Nakena » Sat May 09, 2020 7:32 pm

Obama at least tried, even if he failed at the end.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 09, 2020 7:33 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I mean.. every president has blown people up in some poor country, it's par for the course. Doesn't mean we throw them all in at the same level. Trump is a fucking disaster, Obama was a great president by comparison despite having to make some difficult and questionable decisions.

He was left with a massive power vacuum in the ME caused by another shifty, lying administration, who also managed to completely crash the economy, you'd think people would learn.

It’s all good if he blows up the Arab kids as long as the economy is all good.


I love how so many people are mad about 2,600 Americans dying on 9/11, but they aren't as mad about the number of innocent people killed by America which dwarfs the 9/11 death toll.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sat May 09, 2020 7:33 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:It’s all good if he blows up the Arab kids as long as the economy is all good.


Well, if you say so.

I thought you were agreeing with me? Oh well. It’s alright to sacrifice the Syrians if it means the guy with the D next to his name wins
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 09, 2020 7:33 pm

Nakena wrote:Obama at least tried, even if he failed at the end.


Trump is trying....


















...to kill us.
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Postby SangMar » Sat May 09, 2020 7:33 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Not sure I would call Trump like that. The problem is Trump is willfully ignorant, arrogant, and lacks ethics and morals.


Is he not a manchild? He acts and talks like he is still 13.


I weep for you Americans, really I do.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 09, 2020 7:34 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well, if you say so.

I thought you were agreeing with me? Oh well. It’s alright to sacrifice the Syrians if it means the guy with the D next to his name wins


I've decided to form a metalcore band and our name will be Sacrifice the Syrians.
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Postby Bombadil » Sat May 09, 2020 7:35 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well, if you say so.

I thought you were agreeing with me? Oh well. It’s alright to sacrifice the Syrians if it means the guy with the D next to his name wins


It's even more alright to invade another country on false pretences, crash the economy, let the guy with the D next to his name rebuild it, and then hand it to a fucking moron who suggests injecting yourself with bleach might cure the virus, though I guess that's ok if the guy with an R next to his name wins.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sat May 09, 2020 7:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:I thought you were agreeing with me? Oh well. It’s alright to sacrifice the Syrians if it means the guy with the D next to his name wins


It's even more alright to invade another country on false pretences, crash the economy, let the guy with the D next to his name rebuild it, and then hand it to a fucking moron who suggests injecting yourself with bleach might cure the virus, though I guess that's ok if the guy with an R next to his name wins.

Obama was handed Libya and Syria to him already destroyed? This is news to me
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 09, 2020 7:36 pm

Maybe try and keep this to the virus?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 09, 2020 7:38 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's actually extremely bad.


I mean.. every president has blown people up in some poor country, it's par for the course. Doesn't mean we throw them all in at the same level. Trump is a fucking disaster, Obama was a great president by comparison despite having to make some difficult and questionable decisions.

He was left with a massive power vacuum in the ME caused by another shifty, lying administration, who also managed to completely crash the economy, you'd think people would learn.

He was given power and used it to kill people. You ever hear what Robert Caro said about power? "We're taught Lord Acton's axiom: all power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believed that when I started these books, but I don't believe it's always true any more. Power doesn't always corrupt. Power can cleanse. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do."
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Postby SangMar » Sat May 09, 2020 7:39 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Maybe try and keep this to the virus?


You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?
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Postby Nakena » Sat May 09, 2020 7:39 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nakena wrote:Obama at least tried, even if he failed at the end.


Trump is trying....



...to kill us.


I doubt it, you know my take. He's gone entirely crackers. Just random, erratic outbursts, following what ever the lastest trend or craze in the "conservative" news sphere is.

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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sat May 09, 2020 7:40 pm

SangMar wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Maybe try and keep this to the virus?


You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?

Idk about most states but it seems Cuomo wants my state in eternal lockdown
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 09, 2020 7:40 pm

SangMar wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Is he not a manchild? He acts and talks like he is still 13.


I weep for you Americans, really I do.

Also, here.


Oh god, it's like we allowed a child to run America.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 09, 2020 7:40 pm

SangMar wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Maybe try and keep this to the virus?


You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?

No general plan. Right now states are making the decisions without the aid, of the federal government.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 09, 2020 7:40 pm

SangMar wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Maybe try and keep this to the virus?


You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?

It's the US, it's functionally dozens of different jurisdictions. There is no one plan for anything.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 09, 2020 7:41 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
SangMar wrote:
You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?

Idk about most states but it seems Cuomo wants my state in eternal lockdown


That isnt what I heard. It sounds like he wants to end the shelter in place by June.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 09, 2020 7:41 pm

Ifreann wrote:
SangMar wrote:
You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?

It's the US, it's functionally dozens of different jurisdictions. There is no one plan for anything.

There is also no leadership from the federal government, meaning there is no coordinated response even though states are talking to each other and the federal government.
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Postby SangMar » Sat May 09, 2020 7:41 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
It's even more alright to invade another country on false pretences, crash the economy, let the guy with the D next to his name rebuild it, and then hand it to a fucking moron who suggests injecting yourself with bleach might cure the virus, though I guess that's ok if the guy with an R next to his name wins.

Obama was handed Libya and Syria to him already destroyed? This is news to me


He also had to try and deal with ISIS, thanks to a certain Republican president. Cut the partisan crap, it’s not a case of “Republicans good, Democrats bad”. Both parties have done some very shit things.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat May 09, 2020 7:41 pm

SangMar wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Maybe try and keep this to the virus?


You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?

Each state is doing their own thing.

California seems to be on the verge of if not already beginning to go through the early stages of phasing out the lockdown statewide, although some counties appear to be chomping at the bit to reopen quicker.
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Postby Bombadil » Sat May 09, 2020 7:42 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
SangMar wrote:
You can’t tell me what to do.

Okay, so - has there been a general plan for when the US should see their lockdowns end? Or is it just it ends on a certain date, and that’s it?

No general plan. Right now states are making the decisions without the aid, of the federal government.


Yep, it's all fun..

On Monday the Republican governor of Nebraska, Pete Ricketts, a close ally of Donald Trump and frequent visitor to the White House, opened his daily coronavirus briefing with a big announcement. “Today is May 4,” he said, “the first day of loosened restrictions statewide.”

With his declaration, Ricketts placed Nebraska at the vanguard of America’s reopening. Churches can now open their doors to worshippers, wedding bells and funeral dirges will be heard once more, hospitals can reschedule elective surgeries, and most Nebraskans will be able to resumehaving their hair cut, nails manicured, bodies massaged and skin tattooed.

Restaurants are once again serving diners, though at half capacity. Nebraska Crossing has become one of the first malls in North America to welcome back shoppers.

It’s a happy day in sunny Nebraska.

But the statistics paint a very different picture. In the last seven days, the state recorded a 57% leap in the daily number of new cases, to a total of 7,190. The death rate too is rising sharply, standing at 90.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sat May 09, 2020 7:43 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:Idk about most states but it seems Cuomo wants my state in eternal lockdown


That isnt what I heard. It sounds like he wants to end the shelter in place by June.

Incorrect, he plans to just START plans to open in June
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 09, 2020 7:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's the US, it's functionally dozens of different jurisdictions. There is no one plan for anything.

There is also no leadership from the federal government, meaning there is no coordinated response.

Indeed, what capacity there is for a centralised response is seeing the least possible use because the man in charge is more concerned with protecting his own ego than anything else.
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Postby SangMar » Sat May 09, 2020 7:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's the US, it's functionally dozens of different jurisdictions. There is no one plan for anything.

There is also no leadership from the federal government, meaning there is no coordinated response even though states are talking to each other and the federal government.


The worst bit is, I bet the states are talking to each other on party lines too. They sure as hell most likely aren’t helping out the ”other side”.
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