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How do you plan to vote? (Someone asked for this poll)

Biden (because I support Biden)
106
8%
Biden (because he's the lesser of two evils)
253
19%
Trump (for some reason)
264
20%
Third Party (or Independent)
117
9%
Write-In (maybe Bernie)
33
2%
I don't know right now
33
2%
I don't know (but I am not voting for Biden and/or Trump)
27
2%
I don't plan to vote
31
2%
I am against electoral politics
49
4%
I can't vote (under voting age, not a citizen, disenfrancisement, etc...)
428
32%
 
Total votes : 1341

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 07, 2020 11:19 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:I'm not American, but since the Trump administration has protected the civil rights of citizens in a fashion that Joe Biden is explicitly saying he wishes to reverse, I would vote for Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/0 ... ule-241715

This is especially the case as under the same rules Biden is pushing for universities, he should be considered a rapist and disbarred from being President.

There doesn't appear to be the same concrete and explicit declaration of an intent to pass a policy that will remove peoples civil rights from the Trump campaign as there is from the Biden campaign.

A democratic president can no longer be trusted in this regard until they purge their party of this hate movement. I suspect i'll now support down ballot democrats with the exception of the presidency, which should be republican. We can also hope that a second Trump administration might result in similar civil rights gains.


Wait. So you think Biden is a rapist and yet give Trump as pass?


No. I think they're both probably rapists. The difference is that Biden is actively pushing a framework where "Probably" is a sufficient reason to terminate someones college education, and Trump is actively opposing that. Judging Biden by his own standards, he shouldn't have a college degree, let alone a Senate seat, and certainly shouldn't be president. Given that he's now embroiled in the Tara Reade scandal and is still pushing the campus kangaroo courts, I think it's safe to say that he's no longer an oblivious person advancing them because he legitimately doesn't see the problem, but is actively calculating and duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights because it gains him a means to gaslight political opponents and DARVO on it ("How dare you not support an anti-male hate movement, you must hate women") as well as gain the misandrist vote.

Trump meanwhile has advanced an until proven guilty dynamic in institutions and opposed the kangaroo courts, so i'm comfortable judging him on that basis. Biden actively shills for a court of public opinion to be given administrative authority to issue punishments when it's other people on trial, not himself.

Because Biden is actively duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights, I do not trust him to have any principles or opinions on the matter beyond pandering to misandrists on this issue and others.

Judging them by their own standards on this issue, Biden has disqualified himself. Beyond that, the nature of his behavior on the issue suggests that he will continue to pander to misandrists who will view him as a useful tool for advancing an anti-male agenda and continue to pressure him to escalate in that regard, which he will do, because he clearly has no principles on the matter. (As, if he had principles, he would either resign, or would understand why his proposal is unacceptable and victimizes innocent males.).

Biden demands we judge males on a balance of probability basis. Trump doesn't, and pushes instead a beyond reasonable doubt basis.

And it's not an incidental support. Biden is one of the chief architects of the campus kangaroo courts.

He's a good example of how "BuT AlL ThE PoLiTIcIanS ArE MeN" is not an argument against our society and its institutions being anti-male, it's merely one step removed from "I have a black friend".


Fahran wrote:Him going back in time and bitch-slapping himself every time he thought it was acceptable to kiss, smell, or fondle a visibly uncomfortable woman or child against their will.

I'm voting for a third-party candidate in all likelihood. Or staying home.


This too. He's a serial offender and has been for years while blithely advancing a system that has undermined mens civil rights and denied then a college education.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 11:32 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Wait. So you think Biden is a rapist and yet give Trump as pass?


No. I think they're both probably rapists. The difference is that Biden is actively pushing a framework where "Probably" is a sufficient reason to terminate someones college education, and Trump is actively opposing that. Judging Biden by his own standards, he shouldn't have a college degree, let alone a Senate seat, and certainly shouldn't be president. Given that he's now embroiled in the Tara Reade scandal and is still pushing the campus kangaroo courts, I think it's safe to say that he's no longer an oblivious person advancing them because he legitimately doesn't see the problem, but is actively calculating and duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights because it gains him a means to gaslight political opponents and DARVO on it ("How dare you not support an anti-male hate movement, you must hate women") as well as gain the misandrist vote.

Trump meanwhile has advanced an until proven guilty dynamic in institutions and opposed the kangaroo courts, so i'm comfortable judging him on that basis. Biden actively shills for a court of public opinion to be given administrative authority to issue punishments when it's other people on trial, not himself.

Because Biden is actively duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights, I do not trust him to have any principles or opinions on the matter beyond pandering to misandrists on this issue and others.

Judging them by their own standards on this issue, Biden has disqualified himself. Beyond that, the nature of his behavior on the issue suggests that he will continue to pander to misandrists who will view him as a useful tool for advancing an anti-male agenda and continue to pressure him to escalate in that regard, which he will do, because he clearly has no principles on the matter. (As, if he had principles, he would either resign, or would understand why his proposal is unacceptable and victimizes innocent males.).

Biden demands we judge males on a balance of probability basis. Trump doesn't, and pushes instead a beyond reasonable doubt basis.

And it's not an incidental support. Biden is one of the chief architects of the campus kangaroo courts.

He's a good example of how "BuT AlL ThE PoLiTIcIanS ArE MeN" is not an argument against our society and its institutions being anti-male, it's merely one step removed from "I have a black friend".


Fahran wrote:Him going back in time and bitch-slapping himself every time he thought it was acceptable to kiss, smell, or fondle a visibly uncomfortable woman or child against their will.

I'm voting for a third-party candidate in all likelihood. Or staying home.


This too. He's a serial offender and has been for years while blithely advancing a system that has undermined mens civil rights and denied then a college education.


I felt this post in my soul.

The guy is pushing a scary court of public opinion and the DNC is puppeteering him with it.
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Postby Galloism » Thu May 07, 2020 12:46 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Wait. So you think Biden is a rapist and yet give Trump as pass?


No. I think they're both probably rapists. The difference is that Biden is actively pushing a framework where "Probably" is a sufficient reason to terminate someones college education, and Trump is actively opposing that. Judging Biden by his own standards, he shouldn't have a college degree, let alone a Senate seat, and certainly shouldn't be president. Given that he's now embroiled in the Tara Reade scandal and is still pushing the campus kangaroo courts, I think it's safe to say that he's no longer an oblivious person advancing them because he legitimately doesn't see the problem, but is actively calculating and duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights because it gains him a means to gaslight political opponents and DARVO on it ("How dare you not support an anti-male hate movement, you must hate women") as well as gain the misandrist vote.

Trump meanwhile has advanced an until proven guilty dynamic in institutions and opposed the kangaroo courts, so i'm comfortable judging him on that basis. Biden actively shills for a court of public opinion to be given administrative authority to issue punishments when it's other people on trial, not himself.

Because Biden is actively duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights, I do not trust him to have any principles or opinions on the matter beyond pandering to misandrists on this issue and others.

Judging them by their own standards on this issue, Biden has disqualified himself. Beyond that, the nature of his behavior on the issue suggests that he will continue to pander to misandrists who will view him as a useful tool for advancing an anti-male agenda and continue to pressure him to escalate in that regard, which he will do, because he clearly has no principles on the matter. (As, if he had principles, he would either resign, or would understand why his proposal is unacceptable and victimizes innocent males.).

Biden demands we judge males on a balance of probability basis. Trump doesn't, and pushes instead a beyond reasonable doubt basis.

And it's not an incidental support. Biden is one of the chief architects of the campus kangaroo courts.

He's a good example of how "BuT AlL ThE PoLiTIcIanS ArE MeN" is not an argument against our society and its institutions being anti-male, it's merely one step removed from "I have a black friend".


Fahran wrote:Him going back in time and bitch-slapping himself every time he thought it was acceptable to kiss, smell, or fondle a visibly uncomfortable woman or child against their will.

I'm voting for a third-party candidate in all likelihood. Or staying home.


This too. He's a serial offender and has been for years while blithely advancing a system that has undermined mens civil rights and denied then a college education.

It gets harder and harder each passing day to choke down voting for Biden. I was pretty firmly going to, as a method to stop all the damage Trump is doing, but more and more the whole concept turns my stomach.

This latest thing when he immediately came and said he would reverse those very reasonable regulations that incorporate, of all people, Ruth Bader Ginsburg's views and the views of various courts where these lawsuits have been occuring makes me ill. He had to come out and say he wants colleges to oppress minorities, basically - and he'll take that on on his first day in office.

It's absolutely sickening that he can say that out loud and not get called on it.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 12:49 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
No. I think they're both probably rapists. The difference is that Biden is actively pushing a framework where "Probably" is a sufficient reason to terminate someones college education, and Trump is actively opposing that. Judging Biden by his own standards, he shouldn't have a college degree, let alone a Senate seat, and certainly shouldn't be president. Given that he's now embroiled in the Tara Reade scandal and is still pushing the campus kangaroo courts, I think it's safe to say that he's no longer an oblivious person advancing them because he legitimately doesn't see the problem, but is actively calculating and duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights because it gains him a means to gaslight political opponents and DARVO on it ("How dare you not support an anti-male hate movement, you must hate women") as well as gain the misandrist vote.

Trump meanwhile has advanced an until proven guilty dynamic in institutions and opposed the kangaroo courts, so i'm comfortable judging him on that basis. Biden actively shills for a court of public opinion to be given administrative authority to issue punishments when it's other people on trial, not himself.

Because Biden is actively duplicitous in his attempt to undermine civil rights, I do not trust him to have any principles or opinions on the matter beyond pandering to misandrists on this issue and others.

Judging them by their own standards on this issue, Biden has disqualified himself. Beyond that, the nature of his behavior on the issue suggests that he will continue to pander to misandrists who will view him as a useful tool for advancing an anti-male agenda and continue to pressure him to escalate in that regard, which he will do, because he clearly has no principles on the matter. (As, if he had principles, he would either resign, or would understand why his proposal is unacceptable and victimizes innocent males.).

Biden demands we judge males on a balance of probability basis. Trump doesn't, and pushes instead a beyond reasonable doubt basis.

And it's not an incidental support. Biden is one of the chief architects of the campus kangaroo courts.

He's a good example of how "BuT AlL ThE PoLiTIcIanS ArE MeN" is not an argument against our society and its institutions being anti-male, it's merely one step removed from "I have a black friend".




This too. He's a serial offender and has been for years while blithely advancing a system that has undermined mens civil rights and denied then a college education.

It gets harder and harder each passing day to choke down voting for Biden. I was pretty firmly going to, as a method to stop all the damage Trump is doing, but more and more the whole concept turns my stomach.

This latest thing when he immediately came and said he would reverse those very reasonable regulations that incorporate, of all people, Ruth Bader Ginsburg's views and the views of various courts where these lawsuits have been occuring makes me ill. He had to come out and say he wants colleges to oppress minorities, basically - and he'll take that on on his first day in office.

It's absolutely sickening that he can say that out loud and not get called on it.



Thinking Biden will push progressive policies an inch is pretty naive i will say that
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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 07, 2020 1:08 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Galloism wrote:It gets harder and harder each passing day to choke down voting for Biden. I was pretty firmly going to, as a method to stop all the damage Trump is doing, but more and more the whole concept turns my stomach.

This latest thing when he immediately came and said he would reverse those very reasonable regulations that incorporate, of all people, Ruth Bader Ginsburg's views and the views of various courts where these lawsuits have been occuring makes me ill. He had to come out and say he wants colleges to oppress minorities, basically - and he'll take that on on his first day in office.

It's absolutely sickening that he can say that out loud and not get called on it.



Thinking Biden will push progressive policies an inch is pretty naive i will say that

He sure isn't deadset on undoing them.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 1:10 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:

Thinking Biden will push progressive policies an inch is pretty naive i will say that

He sure isn't deadset on undoing them.


Yes yes trump is hitler thats why my husband and I are no longer married and dead
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu May 07, 2020 1:12 pm

Here's a fair bargain -- if Biden drops out today, I'll write him in.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu May 07, 2020 1:13 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Thinking Biden will push progressive policies an inch is pretty naive i will say that

He sure isn't deadset on undoing them.



What? He voted against gay marriage and for imperialist wars and mass deportation. He's against Social Security.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 07, 2020 1:20 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Gormwood wrote:He sure isn't deadset on undoing them.


Yes yes trump is hitler thats why my husband and I are no longer married and dead

You're the one who Godwinned. Hitler at least didn't bone spur his way out of WW1. :)
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 1:22 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Yes yes trump is hitler thats why my husband and I are no longer married and dead

You're the one who Godwinned. Hitler at least didn't bone spur his way out of WW1. :)


Why am I not surprised a leftist is defending hitler, next your going to tell me how great Cubas literacy rates are.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 07, 2020 1:22 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Gormwood wrote:He sure isn't deadset on undoing them.



What? He voted against gay marriage and for imperialist wars and mass deportation. He's against Social Security.

So who opened his mouth about gay marriage equality and pushed Obama into endorsing it, Morgan Freeman? I like how you assume people aren't allowed to change their positions EVER. Oh and sauce on Biden opposing Social Security?
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 1:24 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:

What? He voted against gay marriage and for imperialist wars and mass deportation. He's against Social Security.

So who opened his mouth about gay marriage equality and pushed Obama into endorsing it, Morgan Freeman? I like how you assume people aren't allowed to change their positions EVER. Oh and sauce on Biden opposing Social Security?


Imagine thinking Biden changed because he wanted to and not because he was forced to.
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Postby Galloism » Thu May 07, 2020 1:26 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So who opened his mouth about gay marriage equality and pushed Obama into endorsing it, Morgan Freeman? I like how you assume people aren't allowed to change their positions EVER. Oh and sauce on Biden opposing Social Security?


Imagine thinking Biden changed because he wanted to and not because he was forced to.

Honestly, I'll believe Biden changed on that. And that's a good thing. I didn't see anyone put a gun to his head, and he did it before the other people in the government - including notably his boss barack obama - did.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Imagine thinking Biden changed because he wanted to and not because he was forced to.

Honestly, I'll believe Biden changed on that. And that's a good thing. I didn't see anyone put a gun to his head, and he did it before the other people in the government - including notably his boss barack obama - did.


Shame his “touching issue” hasnt gotten with the times as well :roll:
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Postby Galloism » Thu May 07, 2020 1:30 pm

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Galloism wrote:Honestly, I'll believe Biden changed on that. And that's a good thing. I didn't see anyone put a gun to his head, and he did it before the other people in the government - including notably his boss barack obama - did.


Shame his “touching issue” hasnt gotten with the times as well :roll:

Well true.

But I will say on the gay marriage one you're barking up the wrong tree. that seems to be a legitimate change of thinking.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 07, 2020 1:49 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:

Thinking Biden will push progressive policies an inch is pretty naive i will say that

He sure isn't deadset on undoing them.


He has said he is deadset on undoing one that the Trump administration passed.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu May 07, 2020 2:02 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
Shame his “touching issue” hasnt gotten with the times as well :roll:

Well true.

But I will say on the gay marriage one you're barking up the wrong tree. that seems to be a legitimate change of thinking.


It’s hard to think that my choice is between Trump (whom I despise and who treats women horribly) and Biden (who isn’t exactly ideal either and is accused of rape). I know there’s no chance in hell I would ever vote Republican. The GOP’s platform is usually abhorrent to me. It always has been. But the Democrat candidate is objectionable to me too this cycle. So what the fuck do I do? I sure as fuck want to see Trump gone. He sucks as president and this emergency has evidenced it for me even more. But must it be Biden who I find just as objectionable? *sigh*

Third option seems to be the way to go.
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Postby Idzequitch » Thu May 07, 2020 2:27 pm

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Is this your main account? You are starting to sound like somebody else I know. Nevermind. Let’s look at your comments:



Ok. Explain. How am I better off with Trump?



I’m sorry is there an argument in there?



Again is there an argument in there?


Simple

The GOP Didn’t have to completley violate their democratic principles when putting him in power.

The DNC has demonstrated they cannot be trusted to run a democratic nation anymore.

Correction: the Republicans tried to violate their democratic principles, but were just far worse at it than Democrats and failed. Remember the good old days when the GOP tried to resist Trump? Tried to put all its weight behind Ted Cruz? The fact that they embrace him now, doesn't mean they did in the primary in 2016. Because they emphatically did not.
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Postby Idzequitch » Thu May 07, 2020 2:30 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You're the one who Godwinned. Hitler at least didn't bone spur his way out of WW1. :)


Why am I not surprised a leftist is defending hitler, next your going to tell me how great Cubas literacy rates are.

"Defending Hitler" Hah. Ever heard of intellectual honesty?

Saying that Hitler jumped over a ridiculously low bar that Trump didn't is hardly a defense.
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Postby New Jewlan » Thu May 07, 2020 2:33 pm

If Trump and all the other candidates somehow died, and I was forced to vote for somebody, then I suppose I would have to vote for Biden, (although I believe that it is part of the democratic process not to vote) so I would not vote for him anyway, as he is pro-abortion, and pro-other-bad-things too. I do not live remotely near the U. S. of A., so consider my comment null and void :-)
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Postby Galloism » Thu May 07, 2020 2:36 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Galloism wrote:Well true.

But I will say on the gay marriage one you're barking up the wrong tree. that seems to be a legitimate change of thinking.


It’s hard to think that my choice is between Trump (whom I despise and who treats women horribly) and Biden (who isn’t exactly ideal either and is accused of rape). I know there’s no chance in hell I would ever vote Republican. The GOP’s platform is usually abhorrent to me. It always has been. But the Democrat candidate is objectionable to me too this cycle. So what the fuck do I do? I sure as fuck want to see Trump gone. He sucks as president and this emergency has evidenced it for me even more. But must it be Biden who I find just as objectionable? *sigh*

Third option seems to be the way to go.

It's another rough year.
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Postby Idzequitch » Thu May 07, 2020 2:38 pm

New Jewlan wrote:If Trump and all the other candidates somehow died, and I was forced to vote for somebody, then I suppose I would have to vote for Biden, (although I believe that it is part of the democratic process not to vote) so I would not vote for him anyway, as he is pro-abortion, and pro-other-bad-things too. I do not live remotely near the U. S. of A., so consider my comment null and void :-)

Everyone's probably going to be pro-some bad thing. And if you do agree with 100% of a candidate's views, you should probably either un-brainwash yourself, or else reconsider whether you really intended to run for public office.
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Postby Idzequitch » Thu May 07, 2020 2:41 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s hard to think that my choice is between Trump (whom I despise and who treats women horribly) and Biden (who isn’t exactly ideal either and is accused of rape). I know there’s no chance in hell I would ever vote Republican. The GOP’s platform is usually abhorrent to me. It always has been. But the Democrat candidate is objectionable to me too this cycle. So what the fuck do I do? I sure as fuck want to see Trump gone. He sucks as president and this emergency has evidenced it for me even more. But must it be Biden who I find just as objectionable? *sigh*

Third option seems to be the way to go.

It's another rough year.

Another couple of those in 2024 and 2028 and maybe the "3rd parties are a wasted vote because they can't win" argument will finally die the gruesome death it deserves. Or else the terrible options no one likes will run the country into the ground. Such are the risks I suppose.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu May 07, 2020 2:44 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Galloism wrote:It's another rough year.

Another couple of those in 2024 and 2028 and maybe the "3rd parties are a wasted vote because they can't win" argument will finally die the gruesome death it deserves. Or else the terrible options no one likes will run the country into the ground. Such are the risks I suppose.


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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 07, 2020 3:16 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s hard to think that my choice is between Trump (whom I despise and who treats women horribly) and Biden (who isn’t exactly ideal either and is accused of rape). I know there’s no chance in hell I would ever vote Republican. The GOP’s platform is usually abhorrent to me. It always has been. But the Democrat candidate is objectionable to me too this cycle. So what the fuck do I do? I sure as fuck want to see Trump gone. He sucks as president and this emergency has evidenced it for me even more. But must it be Biden who I find just as objectionable? *sigh*

Third option seems to be the way to go.

It's another rough year.


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I'd be down for that.

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(From the Bush years.).

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