What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Tell that to the white men in the rust belt who aren't in the best of economic situations. I'm sure it will make them want to vote for your party.

If your party doesn't care about their economic interests, expect them to take their chances with the buffoon.

If they think that Trump who lied to them for 4 years straight and made life economically more difficult for them isn't going to lie to them again, then quite frankly, their economic position is no one else's fault but their own.

I think they're trying to send the democrats a message demanding that their interests be looked after. One that many don't want to hear.

[New haven america]

Quoted again as I just edited this, and I don't want the edit to be missed. When your candidates don't care about the rust belt, expect candidates who at least pretend to care to win.

"Can it be true? Are working-class white men not voting for us because our policies have completely alienated them?"

"No, it's because those dumb hicks are racist, sexist everything-phobes!"

You can say that but it doesn't stop them from happily taking government subsidy checks while complaining about how evil welfare is.

[New haven america]

If they think that Trump who lied to them for 4 years straight and made life economically more difficult for them isn't going to lie to them again, then quite frankly, their economic position is no one else's fault but their own.

I think they're trying to send the democrats a message demanding that their interests be looked after. One that many don't want to hear.

Their interests are trying to be looked after.

Unfortunatly the Reps have spent decades brainwashing them into believing that anything that helps them is going to destroy their lives and livelyhood. Like UHC, or an expanded welfare system, or cheap/free college, or etc...

[Gormwood]

"Can it be true? Are working-class white men not voting for us because our policies have completely alienated them?"

"No, it's because those dumb hicks are racist, sexist everything-phobes!"

You can say that but it doesn't stop them from happily taking government subsidy checks while complaining about how evil welfare.

Red states tend to be budget sinkholes while blue states put in to it.

[Dylar]

Thats funny how many decades have dems done black people dirty in there “utopia” cities of welfare and gun control?

Black people in cities are generally more well off than black people in rural areas, especially the South, so yeah...

Because there are better paying jobs in the cities rather than rural areas. That has nothing to do with democratic leadership.

Also, most of the opposition to helping Black Americans socioeconomically has come from right-wing conservatives.

And most opposition to letting Black Americans defend themselves with firearms has come from left-wing liberals.

[Mirjt]

Thanks, but I just did. And when was the last time this administration bothered itself with the economic interests of white men, black women or Hispanic trans individuals in the rust belt, the bible belt or the Van Allen Belts? It's all about The One Percent, all the time, pal.

Trans people are a hilariously small percent of the population

And have you heard of the first step act?

The First Step Act was bipartisan and it was inadequate. It will only make life better marginally and only for a small percentage of prisoners, it will free even fewer, it does not decriminalize marijuana, other drugs, or sex work, it does not help to reduce ostracism or stigma and reintegrate the formerly incarcerated, it does not stop for-profit prisons, it does not help prison strikes, it does not close any prisons, it doesn't help build alternatives to prison, it continues the non-non-nom (which are people who claim to care about prisoners but only for crimes that are non-violent, non-sexual, and non-serious), it does not prevent immigrant detention (which is a form of incarceration), it doesn't do real bail reform, it doesn't increase funding for Public Defenders, etc...

[Dylar]

I think they're trying to send the democrats a message demanding that their interests be looked after. One that many don't want to hear.

Their interests are trying to be looked after.

Unfortunatly the Reps have spent decades brainwashing them into believing that anything that helps them is going to destroy their lives and livelyhood. Like UHC, or an expanded welfare system, or cheap/free college, or etc...

As you are most likely aware all those things you listed will raise taxes. And while I agree that the 1%ers should be taxed even more, the problem is that those 1%ers will outsource more of their labor to third-world countries for cheaper labor, therefore resulting in a massive amount of jobs lost.

[New haven america]

Black people in cities are generally more well off than black people in rural areas, especially the South, so yeah...

1. Because there are better paying jobs in the cities rather than rural areas. That has nothing to do with democratic leadership.

Also, most of the opposition to helping Black Americans socioeconomically has come from right-wing conservatives.

2. And most opposition to letting Black Americans defend themselves with firearms has come from left-wing liberals.

1. Well if we go by Nazeroth's logic than all black people in all cities are living in squalor, so...
2. Except black people are more often than not pro-gun control and regulation. So how do you reconcile that fact with your claim?

[Poskistan]

Him to stand for some moral principles instead of just Trump bad.

So yeah, Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and ot lose votes. Or spin bullshit about how a pandemic is no big deal for that matter.

I never said I was fine with him shooting someone or botching the pandemic. I would never vote for someone because I hate them less. I’ll only vote for someone I have a genuine admiration for

[Gormwood]

So yeah, Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and ot lose votes. Or spin bullshit about how a pandemic is no big deal for that matter.

I never said I was fine with him shooting someone or botching the pandemic. I would never vote for someone because I hate them less. I’ll only vote for someone I have a genuine admiration for

The perfect always has to be the enemy of the good.

[Pasong Tirad]

Citizenship. Give me an American passport.

[Nazeroth]

I never said I was fine with him shooting someone or botching the pandemic. I would never vote for someone because I hate them less. I’ll only vote for someone I have a genuine admiration for

The perfect always has to be the enemy of the good.

Here we go again

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I think they're trying to send the democrats a message demanding that their interests be looked after. One that many don't want to hear.

Their interests are trying to be looked after.

Unfortunatly the Reps have spent decades brainwashing them into believing that anything that helps them is going to destroy their lives and livelyhood. Like UHC, or an expanded welfare system, or cheap/free college, or etc...

I'm taking about the parts of the rust belt that Hillary lost that can go either way in an election. I'm not talking about ultrapartisan Republican areas like Texas or Alabama.

[New haven america]

Their interests are trying to be looked after.

Unfortunatly the Reps have spent decades brainwashing them into believing that anything that helps them is going to destroy their lives and livelyhood. Like UHC, or an expanded welfare system, or cheap/free college, or etc...

1. As you are most likely aware all those things you listed will raise taxes. 2. And while I agree that the 1%ers should be taxed even more, the problem is that those 1%ers will outsource more of their labor to third-world countries for cheaper labor, therefore resulting in a massive amount of jobs lost.

1. lol, this argument has been disproven countless times. Get a new one please~

Let's look at UHC. In Canada the average Canadian pays ~$6,000 in healthcare taxes per year, while the average American can pay >$22,000 a year for private insurance even if it's through their job. However, if America had UHC then the average cost per American would be ~$10,000 a year. So yeah, Americans would actually be saving money if UHC was implemented in the US.
2. Not if you don't allow them to do so.

[Poskistan]

I never said I was fine with him shooting someone or botching the pandemic. I would never vote for someone because I hate them less. I’ll only vote for someone I have a genuine admiration for

The perfect always has to be the enemy of the good.

Which is why Biden won’t work. He’s just blah. His reign will just be 4 year or nothing. Not even virtuous ideas brought up in full faith.

[New haven america]

Their interests are trying to be looked after.

Unfortunatly the Reps have spent decades brainwashing them into believing that anything that helps them is going to destroy their lives and livelyhood. Like UHC, or an expanded welfare system, or cheap/free college, or etc...

I'm taking about the parts of the rust belt that Hillary lost that can go either way in an election. I'm not talking about ultrapartisan Republican areas like Texas or Alabama.

Yes, I was also talking about them.

[Dylar]

1. Because there are better paying jobs in the cities rather than rural areas. That has nothing to do with democratic leadership.

2. And most opposition to letting Black Americans defend themselves with firearms has come from left-wing liberals.

1. Well if we go by Nazeroth's logic than all black people in all cities are living in squalor, so...
2. Except black people are more often than not pro-gun control and regulation. So how do you reconcile that fact with your claim?

1. I never said they were living in luxury. I just said there are better paying jobs in the cities. A farmhand and a farmer don't make as much as a factory worker and a warehouse employee.
2. Do you have a source or are you just stereotyping?

[Nazeroth]

I'm taking about the parts of the rust belt that Hillary lost that can go either way in an election. I'm not talking about ultrapartisan Republican areas like Texas or Alabama.

Yes, I was also talking about them.

Dems want to turn the midwest into slave states by removing their ability to have political power by removing the electoral college, cities would dictate any laws they wanted upon them, they would be a hunger game district.

[Mirjt]

Citizenship. Give me an American passport.

I would if I could. I would happily let everyone who wants to come to the U.S. in. I would happily give them all work permits, temporary residency, or permanent residency, whatever they decide. I would make it easier to become a citizen, and I would give non-citizen residents at least one representative in the House, after all they live here and are affected by our laws, they should at the minimum have a say, regardless if they are citizens or not. I believe the freedom to Migrate, to live, travel, and work where you please is a human right.

Unfortunately, I don't have the power to make it so, and these positions don't have enough supporters in the U.S. (which is way too patriotic, way too nationalist, way too nativist, and way too xenophobic).

It is really a shame because we would benefit from the exchange of culture coming in from around the World, we would benefit from the skills and perspectives from all around the World, and it allowing people to live and work where they want would be one of the most effective way to alleviate worldwide poverty (allowing people to seek better jobs across borders) and to spread human rights without forcing them down people's throats.

P.S. Human Rights would hopefully spread due to the exchange of ideas, I am not saying the U.S. is a bastion of human rights, the U.S. violates human rights regularly and won't even sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

[Dylar]

1. As you are most likely aware all those things you listed will raise taxes. 2. And while I agree that the 1%ers should be taxed even more, the problem is that those 1%ers will outsource more of their labor to third-world countries for cheaper labor, therefore resulting in a massive amount of jobs lost.

1. lol, this argument has been disproven countless times. Get a new one please~

Let's look at UHC. In Canada the average Canadian pays ~$6,000 in healthcare taxes per year, while the average American can pay >$22,000 a year for private insurance even if it's through their job. However, if America had UHC then the average cost per American would be ~$10,000 a year. So yeah, Americans would actually be saving money if UHC was implemented in the US.
2. Not if you don't allow them to do so.

2. How would a country that prides itself on freedom and capitalism do that? Without disregarding said freedom

[New haven america]

1. Well if we go by Nazeroth's logic than all black people in all cities are living in squalor, so...
2. Except black people are more often than not pro-gun control and regulation. So how do you reconcile that fact with your claim?

1. I never said they were living in luxury. I just said there are better paying jobs in the cities. A farmhand and a farmer don't make as much as a factory worker and a warehouse employee.
2. Do you have a source or are you just stereotyping?

1. Yes that's true, but that's not what Naz claimed.
2. Honestly, I'd say claiming all black people want to have guns and then not backing it up is even worse stereotyping. ~60-70% of African Americans are pro-gun control.

However, the thing is is that they're ok with guns, but they're pro gun control. Shockingly, you can be both. Who would've thunk it?

[New haven america]

1. lol, this argument has been disproven countless times. Get a new one please~

Let's look at UHC. In Canada the average Canadian pays ~$6,000 in healthcare taxes per year, while the average American can pay >$22,000 a year for private insurance even if it's through their job. However, if America had UHC then the average cost per American would be ~$10,000 a year. So yeah, Americans would actually be saving money if UHC was implemented in the US.
2. Not if you don't allow them to do so.

2. How would a country that prides itself on freedom and capitalism do that? Without disregarding said freedom

>Implying that's a positive of the US

[Aureumterra]

2. How would a country that prides itself on freedom and capitalism do that? Without disregarding said freedom

>Implying that's a positive of the US

Freedom is important, I don’t see how anyone except die-hard authoritarians can deny that

[Exxosia]

Considering the events of the last 19 years, I would say that Biden stands for everything that has gone wrong at this point. His policies are aimed at doubling down on making things worse and letting evil people get away with criminal behavior.

Eh? How is is worse the then trumpests?

So if he wanted my vote, he'd have to dissolve the government, try and convict all current and former politicians of crimes committed, nullify any laws and regulations compromised by corporate or otherwise powerful entities as a token of goodwill before i would even consider him to be capable of doing the right thing.

So you are not voting at all? Are you even a citizen? Voting age? Bernie Bro?

It's not worst, but it is also no better.

I likely won't vote for anyone in this election, no. Nobody is showing a strong beneficence to being elected. The concept of "the lesser evil" is a placebo for the weak minded that helped this horrific situation develop. From my point of view, we're looking at a selection of great evils of which none is worse than the other.

As for the questions intended to demerit my views and make me dismissible so nobody has to actually ruminate on the validity. Yes, way past voting age by decades, and in no possible way would I hitch my wagon to that snake oil salesman respectively.

[Dukin Donuts]

As as of right now, I’m not sure who I will vote for.

Election Day is months away and with the coronavirus taking everyone for a spin I think its best to wait. I’ll see how things are around September-October and decide.