What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Freiheit Reich]

If Biden was as cool as these garbage rightist outlets make him out to be I'd actually support him.

If Joe Biden was the radical leftist that Republicans imagine him to be, I would've voted for him.

Most radical leftists voted for Biden because it was either him or Trump or 'throwing away their vote' on a candidate that has no chance of winning.

Biden is not as left-wing as Bernie Sanders but he will be easy to control and I am sure 'the squad' will have a lot of influence over him. Biden is not a strong man like Mr. Trump is. This scares me but I think many socialists and communists will be very pleased with Biden.

[Picairn]

Joe Biden Vows Amnesty for All Illegal Aliens in First 100 Days: ‘We Owe Them’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... -owe-them/

CBO: Immigration Has ‘Negative Effect on Wages’

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/ ... ore-wages/

Reducing Legal Immigration Helps US Workers’ Wages

https://www.paypervids.com/reducing-leg ... ers-wages/

> Breitbart

Your sources are still as garbage as ever.

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Dear God, I am so sick of this "if it's okay for them to cross the border then is it okay for them to go in your house? crap. My wife and I sleep in the same bed but I don't want her in the bathroom with me when I'm taking a shit. I'd let my best friend sleep on my couch but not in my bed with me. I'd let a neighbor visit for a few hours but not sleep on my couch. I've let strangers stand on my porch when it's raining but not come in. Boundaries are relative to relationships.

Yes, 'Boundaries are relative to relationships.' Fellow citizens are more like family members than non-fellow citizens. This is why we should give more privileges to fellow citizens than non-citizens. The nation is like your home. You pay taxes to help your nation and you have legal rights to reside there. You don't like strangers entering your nation and taking advantage of its resources like jobs, health care, education, etc...

Immigrants seeking citizenship in the USA are welcome to apply through proper channels although the number needs to be reduced because housing prices are too high (more than wages), traffic jams are getting worse and worse, education and health care costs are increasing (also more than average wages) and the lower middle class is getting squeezed hard. The USA has a limited amount if resources and too many people. Of course, politicians and CEOs don't care about this as they go to their mansions in gated communities and enjoy a lavish lifestyle thanks partially to legal and illegal immigration (especially of poorer immigrants). Illegal immigrants are even more dangerous for wages than legal migrants. Illegal immigrants can be taken advantage of because they won't report being underpaid. Some might accept $4 an hour +food and housing because this is a fortune vs. wages in Honduras or Guatemala. Of course, they might find another job later paying $5-6 an hour but this is still below minimum wage. These wages will also not be taxes (cash only). This will decrease overall wages as legal citizens will have fewer options for employment.

Joe Biden Vows Amnesty for All Illegal Aliens in First 100 Days: ‘We Owe Them’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... -owe-them/

CBO: Immigration Has ‘Negative Effect on Wages’

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/ ... ore-wages/

Reducing Legal Immigration Helps US Workers’ Wages

https://www.paypervids.com/reducing-leg ... ers-wages/

Even if one accepts the premise that citizens of one's country deserve more rights than non-citizens, that is not an argument against letting people migrate freely.

And even if reducing immigration does result in citizens being paid higher wages, that is far from the only way to increase citizens' wages. One could raise the minimum wage. One could impose punitive taxes on companies that don't give citizens good wages and benefits that are more expensive than those wages and benefits. One could fund public health care, education, transportation etc. primarily through taxing the wealthy, leaving citizens with a bigger portion of their wages as disposable income.

You're begging the question with the assumption that laissez-faire capitalism is the only possible system.

[Elwher]

Well, yes and no.
Yes, it is a big improvement when wishing to block that route.
No, it is not a big improvement if over 90% of the illegal immigrants does not use that route in the first place.



You do realise that THAT actually is how many illegals entered ?

Yes, because employers are not punished hard for employing illegal workers. They are the ones that need to be blamed more. I don't blame the poor farmer too much for sneaking into the USA to make MUCH more money. I blame the employer who knowingly breaks the law and is helping to encourage more illegal migrants while hurting his fellow citizens.

If Biden focused on punishing these bad employers (many from the 'bad' wealthier class), he would not be seen as racist (even though being tough on illegal immigration is not racist) and he would be seen as a champion of US workers.

I suggest that if anyone, corporation or individual, is found to have employed illegal workers, they be fined twice the wages paid that worker over their entire employment. Along with that, of course, is giving all employers access to an accurate e-Verify system to check immigration status.

[Cisairse]

*** 1-day ban for all X are Y trolling of people from 'crappy Latin American nations' ***; of whom we have several posting in these forums.

I would have usually kept this to a warning, but your overall record has been taken into account.

It was one of his better rants. If only he had said "more violent by societal upbringing" rather than "more violent by nature" ... and tossed in "lack of investment" for what is keeping South America down ...

What NSG needs is post Editors. There would be far fewer reports, hurt feelings, missing links, typos or misunderstandings. Needless to say, I am volunteering!

Or people could just not post clearly actionable content.

[Alcala-Cordel]

It was one of his better rants. If only he had said "more violent by societal upbringing" rather than "more violent by nature" ... and tossed in "lack of investment" for what is keeping South America down ...

What NSG needs is post Editors. There would be far fewer reports, hurt feelings, missing links, typos or misunderstandings. Needless to say, I am volunteering!

Or people could just not post clearly actionable content.

I think NH2 is onto something. Arguments with minor violations could be fixed as long as a poster doesn't do something repeatedly and they aren't being total monsters.

[Thermodolia]

If Joe Biden was the radical leftist that Republicans imagine him to be, I would've voted for him.

Most radical leftists voted for Biden because it was either him or Trump or 'throwing away their vote' on a candidate that has no chance of winning.

Biden is not as left-wing as Bernie Sanders but he will be easy to control and I am sure 'the squad' will have a lot of influence over him. Biden is not a strong man like Mr. Trump is. This scares me but I think many socialists and communists will be very pleased with Biden.

Biden isn’t going to be controlled by anyone other than himself. That’s already been shown in his cabinet picks, not one of whom is progressive or someone the squad likes.

Biden is actually more independent and strong than Trump, you’ve just fallen for lies. We socialists and communists aren’t going to be pleased at all by Biden

[Alcala-Cordel]

If Joe Biden was the radical leftist that Republicans imagine him to be, I would've voted for him.

Most radical leftists voted for Biden because it was either him or Trump or 'throwing away their vote' on a candidate that has no chance of winning.

We did?

Biden is not as left-wing as Bernie Sanders but he will be easy to control and I am sure 'the squad' will have a lot of influence over him.

Biden is under corporate control, and he always will be.

Biden is not a strong man like Mr. Trump is.

lmao

This scares me but I think many socialists and communists will be very pleased with Biden.

We won't.

[Cisairse]

Or people could just not post clearly actionable content.

I think NH2 is onto something. Arguments with minor violations could be fixed as long as a poster doesn't do something repeatedly and they aren't being total monsters.

Claiming that large swathes of people, including posters on this site, are psychologically defective certainly fits my definition of "total monster." Would you disagree?

[Elwher]

I think NH2 is onto something. Arguments with minor violations could be fixed as long as a poster doesn't do something repeatedly and they aren't being total monsters.

Claiming that large swathes of people, including posters on this site, are psychologically defective certainly fits my definition of "total monster." Would you disagree?

It depends on exactly how one puts it. After all, 50% of the people on this site are below the average intelligence level.

[Picairn]

It depends on exactly how one puts it. After all, 50% of the people on this site are below the average intelligence level.

That's oddly specific.

[-Ra-]

Make Kissinger secretary of state, of course.

[Freiheit Reich]

I think NH2 is onto something. Arguments with minor violations could be fixed as long as a poster doesn't do something repeatedly and they aren't being total monsters.

Claiming that large swathes of people, including posters on this site, are psychologically defective certainly fits my definition of "total monster." Would you disagree?

I was wrong to call Honduras the 'c word' and I know the majority of the people there are bad. A more diplomatic statement would be to state that Honduras is a beautiful nation with a few problems and a violent crime rate allegedly higher than other nations and then use sources and let people make their own opinions whether Honduras was a safe nation or not. Several websites state Honduras is dangerous and for this reason, I assumed it was dangerous. Perhaps they are wrong and simply overstating the problem. It would not be the first time the media lied or misled the public. The Soviet Union was infamous for manipulating the public into thinking bad things about the USA. Perhaps the American media has bias against certain Latin American nations.

World report-Honduras

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/c ... s/honduras

Welcome to Honduras, the most dangerous country on the planet

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... lanet.html

In Gang-Ridden Honduras, Growing Old is a Privilege, Not a Right

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/phot ... tion-boys/

Perhaps a list of swear words should be made to ensure people don't use them. I have seen the 'F-word' used and even advised people that this is not the best word to use and no apology was made. Perhaps also a list of words to never call a country. Is it wrong to criticize a nation as 'bad', 'poor', 'struggling', 'dangerous', 'third-world', underdeveloped', etc... All of these terms would be offensive to people from countries classified as this and I doubt their leaders would be happy to have their nation classified this way.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Hmm, I wonder why Honduras is unstable. It couldn't be anything but their people.

[Blargoblarg]

If Joe Biden was the radical leftist that Republicans imagine him to be, I would've voted for him.

Most radical leftists voted for Biden because it was either him or Trump or 'throwing away their vote' on a candidate that has no chance of winning.

Biden is not as left-wing as Bernie Sanders but he will be easy to control and I am sure 'the squad' will have a lot of influence over him. Biden is not a strong man like Mr. Trump is. This scares me but I think many socialists and communists will be very pleased with Biden.

Some leftists may have fallen for the "lesser of two evils" fearmongering from the Democratic establishment and voted for Biden, but a lot of us did not. I voted for Howie Hawkins, the Green Party candidate, for example.

Biden isn't left-wing at all, and Bernie Sanders and "the squad" aren't the ones who will have influence over him. Biden will be heavily influenced by his rich and corporate donors, like he has been for pretty much his entire political career. Most of the socialists and communists I know and listen to online don't like or even trust Biden one bit. We know that he'll be working for the rich and the big corporations when he becomes president, and not the average working people of this country.

[Freiheit Reich]

Hmm, I wonder why Honduras is unstable. It couldn't be anything but their people.

In this case, Biden needs to go against his neo-liberal ideals and encourage the USA to not meddle in foreign affairs (including Central American affairs). Most democrats and republicans want the USA to stick their noses in other nations' affairs instead of respecting their national sovereignty. However, I am sure he will not change his stance on this.

However, is it fair to blame all gang violence and corruption in certain Central American nations on the US government? That is like blaming police officers and Donald Trump for all the problems in US cities with high crime rates.

Fact check: Did Biden support wars in Iraq, Serbia, Syria and Libya? :: WRAL.com

https://www.wral.com/fact-check-did-bid ... /19257083/

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It was one of his better rants. If only he had said "more violent by societal upbringing" rather than "more violent by nature" ... and tossed in "lack of investment" for what is keeping South America down ...

What NSG needs is post Editors. There would be far fewer reports, hurt feelings, missing links, typos or misunderstandings. Needless to say, I am volunteering!

Or people could just not post clearly actionable content.

I'm going to take that as agreement then, since it neither adds to nor refutes what I said.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

The wall can be crossed but if people were shot (after a warning and if they keep advancing) if illegally crossing the wall, fewer would cross. The USA needs a strong border defense because we don't know who is crossing illegally. All illegal people attempting to cross the wall need to be treated as enemy soldiers until established otherwise. It could be a friendly farmer down on his luck or a terrorist from the Middle East that first entered Mexico or it could be a drug dealer. If illegal migrants and business owners employing illegal migrants were placed in fair labor camps upon being caught, fewer illegal migrants would come. Most illegal migrants come for money. Cut the supply of money and few people will come. Sadly, Biden will not be tough enough to do these things. Biden is only thinking of getting future votes at the expense of US citizens while making himself feel good.

I said there should be warnings first and people would have plenty of time to walk away from the wall before being shot. Shooting people should only be done if necessary.

Be careful. I got warned for a lot less than this. It's ridiculous that calling for borders to be defended by force of arms and for a zero-tolerance policy to be enacted against illegal immigrants is considered trolling. Or whatever it is I was supposedly warned for. The "Covid misinfo" bit was overturned, but the vague warning stands.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, yes and no.
Yes, it is a big improvement when wishing to block that route.
No, it is not a big improvement if over 90% of the illegal immigrants does not use that route in the first place.



You do realise that THAT actually is how many illegals entered ?

Yes, because employers are not punished hard for employing illegal workers. They are the ones that need to be blamed more. I don't blame the poor farmer too much for sneaking into the USA to make MUCH more money. I blame the employer who knowingly breaks the law and is helping to encourage more illegal migrants while hurting his fellow citizens.

If Biden focused on punishing these bad employers (many from the 'bad' wealthier class), he would not be seen as racist (even though being tough on illegal immigration is not racist) and he would be seen as a champion of US workers.

The USA makes it hard to get a tourist visa from Mexico (and some Central American nations) because of the fear they will overstay their tourist visa. Get rid of this problem (no options to work means little incentive to overstay) and perhaps they can get visa on arrival and more will come to enjoy sightseeing in the USA.

So why waste money on the wall on a route almost noone uses if you could use the money far more effectively in the way you descibred ?

[Thermodolia]

The wall can be crossed but if people were shot (after a warning and if they keep advancing) if illegally crossing the wall, fewer would cross. The USA needs a strong border defense because we don't know who is crossing illegally. All illegal people attempting to cross the wall need to be treated as enemy soldiers until established otherwise. It could be a friendly farmer down on his luck or a terrorist from the Middle East that first entered Mexico or it could be a drug dealer. If illegal migrants and business owners employing illegal migrants were placed in fair labor camps upon being caught, fewer illegal migrants would come. Most illegal migrants come for money. Cut the supply of money and few people will come. Sadly, Biden will not be tough enough to do these things. Biden is only thinking of getting future votes at the expense of US citizens while making himself feel good.

I said there should be warnings first and people would have plenty of time to walk away from the wall before being shot. Shooting people should only be done if necessary.

Be careful. I got warned for a lot less than this. It's ridiculous that calling for borders to be defended by force of arms and for a zero-tolerance policy to be enacted against illegal immigrants is considered trolling. Or whatever it is I was supposedly warned for. The "Covid misinfo" bit was overturned, but the vague warning stands.

The problem with that is those borders can always be turned against the citizens. And posting the military or a Berlin style wall on our borders not only doesn’t solve the problem but the infrastructure is now in place for the US to turn it against its own citizens

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Be careful. I got warned for a lot less than this. It's ridiculous that calling for borders to be defended by force of arms and for a zero-tolerance policy to be enacted against illegal immigrants is considered trolling. Or whatever it is I was supposedly warned for. The "Covid misinfo" bit was overturned, but the vague warning stands.

The problem with that is those borders can always be turned against the citizens. And posting the military or a Berlin style wall on our borders not only doesn’t solve the problem but the infrastructure is now in place for the US to turn it against its own citizens

Seeing as America is now the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, a lot of Mexicans would appreciate it if Americans were kept out of their country. If the U.S.-Mexican border is ever used to keep U.S. citizens out of Mexico, it should ideally be done from the Mexican side with Mexican armed guards. There is nothing inherently wrong about that. I consider it highly unlikely the United States would ever enslave its own citizens and lock them inside the country by force. Unlike, say, China.

Joe Biden seeks to ease border restrictions by pardoning millions of illegal immigrants and undermining the rule of law, but the MSM has a bigger problem when Donald Trump pardons just one guy. The Democrats seek to use these illegals as a vote bank of sorts once they formally acquire citizenship and full voting rights instead of being deported and required to legally apply to stay in the country.

If they enter legally and overstay their visa, deport them and ban them for several years. Ban repeat offenders from entering for life and put their names on a federal immigration blacklist. Immediately turn them away at ports of arrival. Also, abolish birthright citizenship and be more like France and Japan. This will mitigate the issue of family separations as the entire family will be deported intact, minimizing childhood trauma. Do not heed the folly of radical "progressive" leftists with their open-borders insanity and their total disregard for the rule of law. That is my advice to President-elect Biden. You ran as a Democrat. Now serve as an Independent.

(Disclaimer: I'm not making a statement either way about the relationship between illegal immigration and the spread of a deadly disease and I already provided links in a moderation thread I was reported in proving that illegal immigration directly leads to outbreaks (in my country, at least). This is not "covid misinfo". I'm just saying a lot of Mexicans would take a very dim view of illegal American immigration to Mexico especially while a pandemic rages.)

[Miternet]

American citizenship.

[Elwher]

It depends on exactly how one puts it. After all, 50% of the people on this site are below the average intelligence level.

That's oddly specific.

Simply my way of pointing out that 50% of every group are, by definition, below average in any characteristic of the group. To state that is not being negative, but demonstrating an understanding of statistics.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Hmm, I wonder why Honduras is unstable. It couldn't be anything but their people.

In this case, Biden needs to go against his neo-liberal ideals and encourage the USA to not meddle in foreign affairs (including Central American affairs). Most democrats and republicans want the USA to stick their noses in other nations' affairs instead of respecting their national sovereignty. However, I am sure he will not change his stance on this.

One of the ain reasons why I hate Biden.

However, is it fair to blame all gang violence and corruption in certain Central American nations on the US government? That is like blaming police officers and Donald Trump for all the problems in US cities with high crime rates.

Not all of it, but the US is to blame for the current sociopolitical conditions. This means they are to blame for the vast majority of it.

[quote="Freiheit Reich";p="38014888"Fact check: Did Biden support wars in Iraq, Serbia, Syria and Libya? :: WRAL.com
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-did-bid ... /19257083/[/quote]
Biden wanted war with Iraq befor it was cool.