What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

How about 489 retired Generals, Admirals, senior NCOs, Ambassadors and senior civilian national security officials formally endorsing him? (Full disclosure: I worked with a few of the signers a couple of lifetimes ago.)

...doesn’t that set a pretty bad precedent for the military to endorse candidates?

They're retired officials for context. I see no problem with private citizens endorsing candidates for any office, including the presidency.

[Thermodolia]

How about 489 retired Generals, Admirals, senior NCOs, Ambassadors and senior civilian national security officials formally endorsing him? (Full disclosure: I worked with a few of the signers a couple of lifetimes ago.)

...doesn’t that set a pretty bad precedent for the military to endorse candidates?

Good thing they are all retired and acting individually and not in any official capacity.

[Elwher]

How about making up your own mind rather than relying on what somebody else thinks about a person? If I support a person it is because of what he does and/or says, not because of who his friends are.

And one way to make up your own mind is by getting all the information and opinions available from relevant sources.
Putting stock in the words of people who know what they're talking about does not in any way mean someone's not making up their own mind.

Getting facts from informed sources is an excellent idea. Endorsements. however, are opinions and not facts.

[Wizlandia]

Provided he doesn't advocate court packing (which he opposed in the past and I don't think he will change this position), he has my support.

That being said, I live in California, so its not going to make a difference.

[The Black Forrest]

...doesn’t that set a pretty bad precedent for the military to endorse candidates?

They're retired officials for context. I see no problem with private citizens endorsing candidates for any office, including the presidency.

Normally they don’t publicly speak of such things. The fact that so many signed a document to say this guy is fucked up should be something to think about.

[Oerkar]

To vote for Biden.Nothing at all.

You see he’s my guy.

The future of democracy in the US is now at stake.

Change must come with the downfall of Trump.

Or else.

Vote Biden 2020

[Kowani]

To vote for Biden.Nothing at all.

You see he’s my guy.

The future of democracy in the US is now at stake.

Change must come with the downfall of Trump.

Or else.

Vote Biden 2020

Cogent argument.

[Juristonia]

And one way to make up your own mind is by getting all the information and opinions available from relevant sources.
Putting stock in the words of people who know what they're talking about does not in any way mean someone's not making up their own mind.

Getting facts from informed sources is an excellent idea. Endorsements. however, are opinions and not facts.

Only if you're completely incapable of realising what they've based their endorsement on.
Which you're not, of course. You're perfectly aware of that. You're just being purposely obtuse.

Your prerogative. Just don't expect anyone to take it seriously.

[Cisairse]

Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the gaming commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.

He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.

The idea that Donald Trump is an "every day Joe" is an absolute farce.

[The Black Forrest]

Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the gaming commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.

He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.

The idea that Donald Trump is an "every day Joe" is an absolute farce.

You are not an “every day Joe” if you start your career with 400 million?

[US-SSR]

How about 489 retired Generals, Admirals, senior NCOs, Ambassadors and senior civilian national security officials formally endorsing him? (Full disclosure: I worked with a few of the signers a couple of lifetimes ago.)

...doesn’t that set a pretty bad precedent for the military to endorse candidates?

Here's the only endorsement Trump is likely to get:

...senior leaders at the Pentagon, speaking on the condition of anonymity, acknowledged that they were talking among themselves about what to do if Mr. Trump, who will still be president until Inauguration Day no matter what, invokes the Insurrection Act and tries to send troops into the streets.

Several Pentagon officials said that such a move could prompt resignations among many of Mr. Trump’s senior generals, starting at the top with General Milley.

[US-SSR]

How about not being a tax cheat?

[West Leas Oros 2]

How about not being a tax cheat?

I don't trust any wealthy politician, regardless of party affiliation, NOT to be a tax cheat. Or, barring that, some sort of financial fraudster.

[Inner Wellness]

Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the gaming commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.

He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.

Agreed. He is racist and its sickening.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

I just requested my mail-in ballot, and plan to vote for Biden and candidates who happen to be from the top three parties. Tomorrow I will help a relative request theirs; they plan on voting straight ticket. We will cancel each other out mostly.


I just wanted to see how many unethical people would chastise me for assisting someone who will vote against me to vote in a way that they believe will be full of cheating.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

The idea that Donald Trump is an "every day Joe" is an absolute farce.

You are not an “every day Joe” if you start your career with 400 million?

Maybe if in Zimbabwean dollars of July 2006

[Czechostan]

Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the gaming commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.

He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.

Trump being "excessively anti-China" is the strangest reason I've seen for leaving him.

[Tornado Queendom]

The idea that Donald Trump is an "every day Joe" is an absolute farce.

You are not an “every day Joe” if you start your career with 400 million?

By politician standards, trump really IS an every day Joe. The first president who never served in public office or the military.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

You are not an “every day Joe” if you start your career with 400 million?

By politician standards, trump really IS an every day Joe. The first president who never served in public office or the military.

Not necessarily a good thing to have no political or legal experience

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By politician standards, trump really IS an every day Joe. The first president who never served in public office or the military.

Not necessarily a good thing to have no political or legal experience

I think it would be worse if Trump had any experience, his incompetence is holding back some terrible stuff.

[Juristonia]

Yeah, I'm glad Trump has no experience.
Imagine how terrible he would be if he was actually capable.

[US-SSR]

How about not being a tax cheat?

I don't trust any wealthy politician, regardless of party affiliation, NOT to be a tax cheat. Or, barring that, some sort of financial fraudster.

Biden has released the last 10 years of his returns, where's the NYT story about what a big cheater he is? There isn't one, because he doesn't cheat on his taxes, nor does he lie about it. FFS even Romney didn't claim some of his charitable contributions -- infinitely more than Trump has ever made -- because they made his tax rate appear too low.

I will say this, here, now, and rest my case: if Trump is awarded four more years as US President after all of this, then the US richly deserves what will happen to it; and assuming I survive the apocolypse until retirement I'll be watching its downfall from the safety of some other, more stable nation.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Non-American here:

I was originally pro Trump because I thought “Here’s someone who could shake up the system and political class of career politicians, here’s someone who goes against PC. If someone like a Trump can win, that’s an inspiration for every day Joes to achieve great things with their lives, excel, and do amazing things.”

Fast forward to 2020:

He’s excessively anti-Chinese; he tries to undermine HK’s economy with sanctions that will hurt the HK people to “support the HK people.” This whole Blame China for the virus situation in the USA Is absolutely pathetic.

Also, he has the gaming commissions look into investigating/possibly banning League of Legends (threatening the majority of the NA Server), affecting millions of players.

Every day I turn on the TV or watch the news I have to see this guy (or Pompeo) make some anti-Chinese posturing.

...

So with all of this said.

Biden.

It’s time for Biden to win.

He may continue the anti-Chinese policies but I think he’ll at least be more classy about it and also have the sense not to go after video games.

I’ve already convinced my brother and his group of friends from Silicon Valley to go Biden.

Trump being "excessively anti-China" is the strangest reason I've seen for leaving him.

IM has a hard on for authoritarianism and has been quite pro chinese due to said authoritarianism.

[Fahran]

IM has a hard on for authoritarianism and has been quite pro chinese due to said authoritarianism.

Of all the authoritarian regimes to shill for, the CCP is probably the least aesthetically interesting or ideologically compelling. -2/10 Would Salazar instead. Would Nasser instead. Would probably Mussolini instead.

[Varaanus]

How about 489 retired Generals, Admirals, senior NCOs, Ambassadors and senior civilian national security officials formally endorsing him? (Full disclosure: I worked with a few of the signers a couple of lifetimes ago.)

Translation:

"We wanted war with Iran! And Russia too! Why won't Trump let us bomb the entire Middle-East? Call the Whaaaaaaambulance!"

I don't agree with Trump. I hate the guts of pretty much every person he has appointed.
But when it comes to war and peace, he really is the lesser of Three Evils. (Clinton, Biden, Trump)

Of course: Bernie, Tulsi, Yang and even Warren would have been FAR better presidents. Shame about the DNC rigging the whole thing twice. Now we all have to live with the consequences of their egomania.