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How do you plan to vote? (Someone asked for this poll)

Biden (because I support Biden)
106
8%
Biden (because he's the lesser of two evils)
253
19%
Trump (for some reason)
264
20%
Third Party (or Independent)
117
9%
Write-In (maybe Bernie)
33
2%
I don't know right now
33
2%
I don't know (but I am not voting for Biden and/or Trump)
27
2%
I don't plan to vote
31
2%
I am against electoral politics
49
4%
I can't vote (under voting age, not a citizen, disenfrancisement, etc...)
428
32%
 
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:16 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:That's my worry. If the US just Balkanizes- a likely scenario in the next two hundred years- then we get dozens of states that hate each other, all of whom probably have nukes. It'll be Pakistan and India all over again, except times ten.

I don't know, I guess I just think that dysfunctional government is better than no government, because no government has historically most often led into brutal, oppressive government or brutal, oppressive citizens' law.
That I am fully aware of, but ultimately, I’m not looking for the better, rather, the best. If Americans wise up to the fact that if they continue down the current path, they’ll bring only disfunction or apocalypse, they’ll actually call for meaningful change. Ultimately, I’d rather take the chance that there is a benevolent post-American nation than the certainty that America as it exists now is a horrid place. I have more faith in a theoretical “Republic of Iowa” than I do the US government.

Yeah. I want my Texan Republic, man.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:18 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:That I am fully aware of, but ultimately, I’m not looking for the better, rather, the best. If Americans wise up to the fact that if they continue down the current path, they’ll bring only disfunction or apocalypse, they’ll actually call for meaningful change. Ultimately, I’d rather take the chance that there is a benevolent post-American nation than the certainty that America as it exists now is a horrid place. I have more faith in a theoretical “Republic of Iowa” than I do the US government.

Yeah. I want my Texan Republic, man.
America would be so much cooler if it was a confederation rather than a blob.

I’m still working on the “Union of Lake Superior States” over here.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:33 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Cool straw man, but no. I hold no delusion that a system as fundamentally wrecked as ours can be saved by voting for the “right people”. Mark my words, the only way America can truly fix itself is radical action, not some centrist austerity or whatever bullshit the status quo wants. And you call yourself a socialist?


This guy gets it^

Biden is a Band-Aid, nothing more. It won't fix the disease.

Biden is a Band-Aid on a crack in a dam. Trump is a pick axe, obviously Trump would speed it up but Biden really won’t do much to stop the inevitable
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:00 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:That I am fully aware of, but ultimately, I’m not looking for the better, rather, the best. If Americans wise up to the fact that if they continue down the current path, they’ll bring only disfunction or apocalypse, they’ll actually call for meaningful change. Ultimately, I’d rather take the chance that there is a benevolent post-American nation than the certainty that America as it exists now is a horrid place. I have more faith in a theoretical “Republic of Iowa” than I do the US government.

Yeah. I want my Texan Republic, man.
America would be so much cooler if it was a confederation rather than a blob.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Yeah. I want my Texan Republic, man.
America would be so much cooler if it was a confederation rather than a blob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation


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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Yeah. I want my Texan Republic, man.
America would be so much cooler if it was a confederation rather than a blob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

Noooooooooooooo not that. It's weak-ass Delian League mode or full-on strongman federation mode. We ain't doing that again.

American EU or bust, baby.
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Postby Europa Undivided » Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:40 pm

He needs to take the cure to dementia and pervertedness.
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Postby Izandai » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:02 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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This guy gets it^

Biden is a Band-Aid, nothing more. It won't fix the disease.

Biden is a Band-Aid on a crack in a dam. Trump is a pick axe, obviously Trump would speed it up but Biden really won’t do much to stop the inevitable

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:18 am

Europa Undivided wrote:He needs to take the cure to dementia and pervertedness.


He's old, and old-fashioned. They kind-of go together.

Biden is campaigning now. Turn on a TV and you'll likely see him talking. His comments about Ginsburg for instance.

Or you could keep looking at his gaffes. Doing that will help to maintain your belief that he has "dementia". If you're more comfortable with that?
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Postby Sauntoxs Nation » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:29 am

I don't agree with Biden on many of his policies.
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Postby Fahran » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:48 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:He's old, and old-fashioned. They kind-of go together.

I don't think it's ever been in vogue to smell or fondle women and children. Mind you, I don't think Joe Biden is necessarily a predator. I think he's just weird, remarkably bad at boundaries, and a little creepy.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:51 am

Fahran wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:He's old, and old-fashioned. They kind-of go together.

I don't think it's ever been in vogue to smell or fondle women and children. Mind you, I don't think Joe Biden is necessarily a predator. I think he's just weird, remarkably bad at boundaries, and a little creepy.

This is quite common with senior citizens.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:53 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Europa Undivided wrote:He needs to take the cure to dementia and pervertedness.


He's old, and old-fashioned. They kind-of go together.

Biden is campaigning now. Turn on a TV and you'll likely see him talking. His comments about Ginsburg for instance.

Or you could keep looking at his gaffes. Doing that will help to maintain your belief that he has "dementia". If you're more comfortable with that?
Especially when a certain president appears to also do the same...
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Postby Fahran » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:03 am

Diopolis wrote:This is quite common with senior citizens.

I used to volunteer at a nursing home in high school. I don't think I ever met anyone who had all their marbles and who also thought that smelling other people unprovoked was a good idea. It's a bit weird - even when an old person does it.

-Astoria- wrote:Especially when a certain president appears to also do the same...

You mean deliberately barging into a room where teenagers are changing? I think that's a bit more predatory to be honest.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:04 am

The death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:10 am

Fahran wrote:You mean deliberately barging into a room where teenagers are changing? I think that's a bit more predatory to be honest.
By whom?
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-Astoria- wrote:By whom?

Trump...
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Fahran wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:By whom?

Trump...

Ah, now I get you.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:25 pm

Fahran wrote:
Diopolis wrote:This is quite common with senior citizens.

I used to volunteer at a nursing home in high school. I don't think I ever met anyone who had all their marbles and who also thought that smelling other people unprovoked was a good idea. It's a bit weird - even when an old person does it.

The smelling people thing is weird. But "not thinking young people have to right to have boundaries" is pretty common for old people.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:50 pm

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Joe Biden, relatively, is a return to normal.


"Normal" is a world of exploitation and imperialism. I have almost nothing good to say about the status quo. Also, order isn't always a good thing.

I think you make a fine point, however, order is a necessary prerequisite of arriving at a good thing.
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Postby US-SSR » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:16 pm

How about this: a vacancy on the Supreme Court for the next President to fill and/or an expansion of the Supreme Court...
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This guy gets it^

Biden is a Band-Aid, nothing more. It won't fix the disease.

Biden is a Band-Aid on a crack in a dam. Trump is a pick axe, obviously Trump would speed it up but Biden really won’t do much to stop the inevitable

Ideally in the time that Biden will save us as compared to Trump we can work on a more comprehensive fix

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Thermodolia wrote:Biden is a Band-Aid on a crack in a dam. Trump is a pick axe, obviously Trump would speed it up but Biden really won’t do much to stop the inevitable

Nihilism isn't cool anymore.

It's not nihilism lol, have you not noticed the fact that we seem to be living in a bad knockoff of the Book of Revelation
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Postby Fahran » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:24 pm

US-SSR wrote:How about this: a vacancy on the Supreme Court for the next President to fill and/or an expansion of the Supreme Court...

That's a good argument to vote for Trump though.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:26 pm

Senkaku wrote:It's not nihilism lol, have you not noticed the fact that we seem to be living in a bad knockoff of the Book of Revelation

So that's what all the Born-Again Christians were for...
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Postby Blargoblarg » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:20 pm

US-SSR wrote:How about this: a vacancy on the Supreme Court for the next President to fill and/or an expansion of the Supreme Court...

It seems very unlikely to me that the Democrats will be able to stop the Senate Republicans from approving whoever Trump nominates to replace RBG before January 20th. They don't have the votes. And even if they somehow manage to stop Trump's pick for four months and Biden wins the election, Biden's record on Supreme Court nominees is terrible. Scalia and Thomas got onto the court because of Biden's help.
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