What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Senkaku]

Garbage rhetoric wrapped in left wing word salad

Not to mention im not shocked you dont know shit about firearms

I grew up in a major city, you should be more shocked that I've used them at all, frankly. And I hardly think the position that most civilians don't need and shouldn't have heavy weapons is a radical one? But I concede that "assault weapons" bans largely based on a weapon's appearance are flawed, and that I don't have enough expertise to be in charge of deciding which types of ammunition should be allowed and which don't.

Admitting you don't know things rather than blustering and pressing on regardless is generally a virtue, not a failure.

If Biden suddenly became a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment I'd spend the rest of my days until November pounding pavement for him

That easy, huh? This is why I want more Pro 2A Dems, for my own support of Gun Rights, but also because it would turn off way less voters like yourself.

If Biden actually made an about-face like this, Tel would say it was in bad faith and that the Democrats would never go for it (and probably be correct, frankly). He says things like this about hypotheticals, but it's easy to make grand pronouncements about what you'd do in totally fictional situations (that happen to be convenient for other arguments you're making in the real world).

[Senkaku]

That easy, huh? This is why I want more Pro 2A Dems, for my own support of Gun Rights, but also because it would turn off way less voters like yourself.

Edit:



See what I mean?

Shame the dems have an authortarian hard on for disarming people

The assumption that it's a bad faith effort to "disarm" the populace rather than a policy proposal to reduce our absolutely bananas level of gun violence is just wild.

[Telconi]

Menorahs and yarmulkes don't have souls or families or communities either. But the people who own them do.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

Guns have value, ballots don't.

A democratic system of government has no value?

You really do find new ways to plumb the depths, Tel.

Just trying to find your beliefs.

[Nazeroth]

Garbage rhetoric wrapped in left wing word salad

Not to mention im not shocked you dont know shit about firearms

I grew up in a major city, you should be more shocked that I've used them at all, frankly. And I hardly think the position that most civilians don't need and shouldn't have heavy weapons is a radical one? But I concede that "assault weapons" bans largely based on a weapon's appearance are flawed, and that I don't have enough expertise to be in charge of deciding which types of ammunition should be allowed and which don't.

Admitting you don't know things rather than blustering and pressing on regardless is generally a virtue, not a failure.

That easy, huh? This is why I want more Pro 2A Dems, for my own support of Gun Rights, but also because it would turn off way less voters like yourself.

If Biden actually made an about-face like this, Tel would say it was in bad faith and that the Democrats would never go for it (and probably be correct, frankly). He says things like this about hypotheticals, but it's easy to make grand pronouncements about what you'd do in totally fictional situations (that happen to be convenient for other arguments you're making in the real world).

Biden wont make an about face because he is an authortarian and authortarians tend to not want the people well armed

[Telconi]

Garbage rhetoric wrapped in left wing word salad

Not to mention im not shocked you dont know shit about firearms

I grew up in a major city, you should be more shocked that I've used them at all, frankly. And I hardly think the position that most civilians don't need and shouldn't have heavy weapons is a radical one? But I concede that "assault weapons" bans largely based on a weapon's appearance are flawed, and that I don't have enough expertise to be in charge of deciding which types of ammunition should be allowed and which don't.

Admitting you don't know things rather than blustering and pressing on regardless is generally a virtue, not a failure.

That easy, huh? This is why I want more Pro 2A Dems, for my own support of Gun Rights, but also because it would turn off way less voters like yourself.

If Biden actually made an about-face like this, Tel would say it was in bad faith and that the Democrats would never go for it (and probably be correct, frankly). He says things like this about hypotheticals, but it's easy to make grand pronouncements about what you'd do in totally fictional situations (that happen to be convenient for other arguments you're making in the real world).

Yes, hypotheticals are hypothetical.

[Nazeroth]

Shame the dems have an authortarian hard on for disarming people

The assumption that it's a bad faith effort to "disarm" the populace rather than a policy proposal to reduce our absolutely bananas level of gun violence is just wild.

Disarming the population is always in bad faith

Dosnt matter if its the gop or dnc that does it

Though the dems seem to LOVE the idea

[Senkaku]

I grew up in a major city, you should be more shocked that I've used them at all, frankly. And I hardly think the position that most civilians don't need and shouldn't have heavy weapons is a radical one? But I concede that "assault weapons" bans largely based on a weapon's appearance are flawed, and that I don't have enough expertise to be in charge of deciding which types of ammunition should be allowed and which don't.

Admitting you don't know things rather than blustering and pressing on regardless is generally a virtue, not a failure.


If Biden actually made an about-face like this, Tel would say it was in bad faith and that the Democrats would never go for it (and probably be correct, frankly). He says things like this about hypotheticals, but it's easy to make grand pronouncements about what you'd do in totally fictional situations (that happen to be convenient for other arguments you're making in the real world).

Biden wont make an about face because he is an authortarian and authortarians tend to not want the people well armed

What do you think authoritarianism is? Like what does it consist of to you?

The assumption that it's a bad faith effort to "disarm" the populace rather than a policy proposal to reduce our absolutely bananas level of gun violence is just wild.

Disarming the population is always in bad faith

Dosnt matter if its the gop or dnc that does it

Though the dems seem to LOVE the idea

Really? You don't think anyone could possibly in good faith see school shootings or the violence on the South Side of Chicago and come to earnestly believe that civilians don't need access to this kind of firepower?

[Nazeroth]

Biden wont make an about face because he is an authortarian and authortarians tend to not want the people well armed

What do you think authoritarianism is? Like what does it consist of to you?

Disarming the population is always in bad faith

Dosnt matter if its the gop or dnc that does it

Though the dems seem to LOVE the idea

Really? You don't think anyone could possibly in good faith see school shootings or the violence on the South Side of Chicago and come to earnestly believe that civilians don't need access to this kind of firepower?

No because they must be willfully ignorant of their surroundings. They have an abundance of knowledge at their fingertips and they refuse to use it.

[Telconi]

Shame the dems have an authortarian hard on for disarming people

The assumption that it's a bad faith effort to "disarm" the populace rather than a policy proposal to reduce our absolutely bananas level of gun violence is just wild.

It's irrelevant what his motivations are. The desired effects are unacceptable.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

As president, Biden will lead the world to address the climate emergency and lead through the power of example, by ensuring the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and net-zero emissions no later than 2050.

The Biden Plan will:
* Ensure the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and reaches net-zero emissions no later than 2050. On day one, Biden will sign a series of new executive orders with unprecedented reach that go well beyond the Obama-Biden Administration platform and put us on the right track. And, he will demand that Congress enacts legislation in the first year of his presidency that: 1) establishes an enforcement mechanism that includes milestone targets no later than the end of his first term in 2025, 2) makes a historic investment in clean energy and climate research and innovation, 3) incentivizes the rapid deployment of clean energy innovations across the economy, especially in communities most impacted by climate change.
* Build a stronger, more resilient nation. On day one, Biden will make smart infrastructure investments to rebuild the nation and to ensure that our buildings, water, transportation, and energy infrastructure can withstand the impacts of climate change.  Every dollar spent toward rebuilding our roads, bridges, buildings, the electric grid, and our water infrastructure will be used to prevent, reduce, and withstand a changing climate. As President, Biden will use the convening power of government to boost climate resilience efforts by developing regional climate resilience plans, in partnership with local universities and national labs, for local access to the most relevant science, data, information, tools, and training.
* Rally the rest of the world to meet the threat of climate change. Climate change is a global challenge that requires decisive action from every country around the world. Joe Biden knows how to stand with America’s allies, stand up to adversaries, and level with any world leader about what must be done. He will not only recommit the United States to the Paris Agreement on climate change – he will go much further than that. He will lead an effort to get every major country to ramp up the ambition of their domestic climate targets. He will make sure those commitments are transparent and enforceable, and stop countries from cheating by using America’s economic leverage and power of example. He will fully integrate climate change into our foreign policy and national security strategies, as well as our approach to trade.
* Stand up to the abuse of power by polluters who disproportionately harm communities of color and low-income communities. Vulnerable communities are disproportionately impacted by the climate emergency and pollution. The Biden Administration will take action against fossil fuel companies and other polluters who put profit over people and knowingly harm our environment and poison our communities’ air, land, and water, or conceal information regarding potential environmental and health risks. The Biden plan will ensure that communities across the country from Flint, Michigan to Harlan, Kentucky to the New Hampshire Seacoast have access to clean, safe drinking water. And he’ll make sure the development of solutions is an inclusive, community-driven process.
* Fulfill our obligation to workers and communities who powered our industrial revolution and subsequent decades of economic growth. This is support they’ve earned for fueling our country’s industrial revolution and decades of economic growth. We’re not going to leave any workers or communities behind.
And, Vice President Biden has committed that Biden for President will not accept contributions from oil, gas and coal corporations or executives.

[Senkaku]

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

As president, Biden will lead the world to address the climate emergency and lead through the power of example, by ensuring the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and net-zero emissions no later than 2050.

The Biden Plan will:
* Ensure the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and reaches net-zero emissions no later than 2050. On day one, Biden will sign a series of new executive orders with unprecedented reach that go well beyond the Obama-Biden Administration platform and put us on the right track. And, he will demand that Congress enacts legislation in the first year of his presidency that: 1) establishes an enforcement mechanism that includes milestone targets no later than the end of his first term in 2025, 2) makes a historic investment in clean energy and climate research and innovation, 3) incentivizes the rapid deployment of clean energy innovations across the economy, especially in communities most impacted by climate change.
* Build a stronger, more resilient nation. On day one, Biden will make smart infrastructure investments to rebuild the nation and to ensure that our buildings, water, transportation, and energy infrastructure can withstand the impacts of climate change.  Every dollar spent toward rebuilding our roads, bridges, buildings, the electric grid, and our water infrastructure will be used to prevent, reduce, and withstand a changing climate. As President, Biden will use the convening power of government to boost climate resilience efforts by developing regional climate resilience plans, in partnership with local universities and national labs, for local access to the most relevant science, data, information, tools, and training.
* Rally the rest of the world to meet the threat of climate change. Climate change is a global challenge that requires decisive action from every country around the world. Joe Biden knows how to stand with America’s allies, stand up to adversaries, and level with any world leader about what must be done. He will not only recommit the United States to the Paris Agreement on climate change – he will go much further than that. He will lead an effort to get every major country to ramp up the ambition of their domestic climate targets. He will make sure those commitments are transparent and enforceable, and stop countries from cheating by using America’s economic leverage and power of example. He will fully integrate climate change into our foreign policy and national security strategies, as well as our approach to trade.
* Stand up to the abuse of power by polluters who disproportionately harm communities of color and low-income communities. Vulnerable communities are disproportionately impacted by the climate emergency and pollution. The Biden Administration will take action against fossil fuel companies and other polluters who put profit over people and knowingly harm our environment and poison our communities’ air, land, and water, or conceal information regarding potential environmental and health risks. The Biden plan will ensure that communities across the country from Flint, Michigan to Harlan, Kentucky to the New Hampshire Seacoast have access to clean, safe drinking water. And he’ll make sure the development of solutions is an inclusive, community-driven process.
* Fulfill our obligation to workers and communities who powered our industrial revolution and subsequent decades of economic growth. This is support they’ve earned for fueling our country’s industrial revolution and decades of economic growth. We’re not going to leave any workers or communities behind.
And, Vice President Biden has committed that Biden for President will not accept contributions from oil, gas and coal corporations or executives.

I understand that a quick transition to net-zero is basically politically impossible but Jesus Mary and Joseph my whole generation is so fucked lol

[Uiiop]

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

As president, Biden will lead the world to address the climate emergency and lead through the power of example, by ensuring the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and net-zero emissions no later than 2050.

The Biden Plan will:
* Ensure the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and reaches net-zero emissions no later than 2050. On day one, Biden will sign a series of new executive orders with unprecedented reach that go well beyond the Obama-Biden Administration platform and put us on the right track. And, he will demand that Congress enacts legislation in the first year of his presidency that: 1) establishes an enforcement mechanism that includes milestone targets no later than the end of his first term in 2025, 2) makes a historic investment in clean energy and climate research and innovation, 3) incentivizes the rapid deployment of clean energy innovations across the economy, especially in communities most impacted by climate change.
* Build a stronger, more resilient nation. On day one, Biden will make smart infrastructure investments to rebuild the nation and to ensure that our buildings, water, transportation, and energy infrastructure can withstand the impacts of climate change.  Every dollar spent toward rebuilding our roads, bridges, buildings, the electric grid, and our water infrastructure will be used to prevent, reduce, and withstand a changing climate. As President, Biden will use the convening power of government to boost climate resilience efforts by developing regional climate resilience plans, in partnership with local universities and national labs, for local access to the most relevant science, data, information, tools, and training.
* Rally the rest of the world to meet the threat of climate change. Climate change is a global challenge that requires decisive action from every country around the world. Joe Biden knows how to stand with America’s allies, stand up to adversaries, and level with any world leader about what must be done. He will not only recommit the United States to the Paris Agreement on climate change – he will go much further than that. He will lead an effort to get every major country to ramp up the ambition of their domestic climate targets. He will make sure those commitments are transparent and enforceable, and stop countries from cheating by using America’s economic leverage and power of example. He will fully integrate climate change into our foreign policy and national security strategies, as well as our approach to trade.
* Stand up to the abuse of power by polluters who disproportionately harm communities of color and low-income communities. Vulnerable communities are disproportionately impacted by the climate emergency and pollution. The Biden Administration will take action against fossil fuel companies and other polluters who put profit over people and knowingly harm our environment and poison our communities’ air, land, and water, or conceal information regarding potential environmental and health risks. The Biden plan will ensure that communities across the country from Flint, Michigan to Harlan, Kentucky to the New Hampshire Seacoast have access to clean, safe drinking water. And he’ll make sure the development of solutions is an inclusive, community-driven process.
* Fulfill our obligation to workers and communities who powered our industrial revolution and subsequent decades of economic growth. This is support they’ve earned for fueling our country’s industrial revolution and decades of economic growth. We’re not going to leave any workers or communities behind.
And, Vice President Biden has committed that Biden for President will not accept contributions from oil, gas and coal corporations or executives.

Is the point that they haven't bothered updating it or that 2050 is a good enough date and not too late despite what the current climate data suggests?

Seriously though i advise you look use the updated plans for your argument. There are degrees of insufficiency and if i took his word for it his new plans are somewhere i would be happy with ish.

[Dominioan]

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

I understand that a quick transition to net-zero is basically politically impossible but Jesus Mary and Joseph my whole generation is so fucked lol

I mean, hopefully when they say “net zero by 2050” they mean a huge crackdown in the start then slowing down near the end.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

-snip-

Is the point that they haven't bothered updating it or that 2050 is a good enough date and not too late despite what the current climate data suggests?

Seriously though i advise you look use the updated plans for your argument. There are degrees of insufficiency and i took his word for it his new plans are somewhere i would be happy with ish.

There won't be any new updated plans if Biden doesn't win.

[Uiiop]

Is the point that they haven't bothered updating it or that 2050 is a good enough date and not too late despite what the current climate data suggests?

Seriously though i advise you look use the updated plans for your argument. There are degrees of insufficiency and i took his word for it his new plans are somewhere i would be happy with ish.

There won't be any new updated plans if Biden doesn't win.

There wouldn't be any of the old plans either if you're being consistent about this.
The people opting out know what he says on paper. They don't trust him to actually do it. Your point?

[Telconi]

Is the point that they haven't bothered updating it or that 2050 is a good enough date and not too late despite what the current climate data suggests?

Seriously though i advise you look use the updated plans for your argument. There are degrees of insufficiency and i took his word for it his new plans are somewhere i would be happy with ish.

There won't be any new updated plans if Biden doesn't win.

Oh, we will, but carbon output won't be the concern.

[Dominioan]

There won't be any new updated plans if Biden doesn't win.

There wouldn't be any of the old plans either if you're being consistent about this.
The people opting out know what he says on paper. They don't trust him to actually do it. Your point?

I mean, if he wins, at least there’s a chance. We all know that Trump will actively work against stopping climate change.

[Uiiop]

There wouldn't be any of the old plans either if you're being consistent about this.
The people opting out know what he says on paper. They don't trust him to actually do it. Your point?

I mean, if he wins, at least there’s a chance. We all know that Trump will actively work against stopping climate change.

I suppose. Partly the reason i'm voting for him. But pointing to that website is not really proof of that chance.

[Dominioan]

I mean, if he wins, at least there’s a chance. We all know that Trump will actively work against stopping climate change.

I suppose. Partly the reason i'm voting for him. But pointing to that website is not really proof of that chance.

I literally hate both candidates. I just wish that I lived somewhere where centrism is not considered radical left.

[Diopolis]

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

Quick question... how is 55gr 5.56 fall into "Heavier weaponry then you really need for hunting or sport" when 147gr 30-06 or 175gr 7.62 doesn't?

Indeed, in many states the former is considered too small for hunting purposes.

[Diopolis]

Biden wont make an about face because he is an authortarian and authortarians tend to not want the people well armed

What do you think authoritarianism is? Like what does it consist of to you?

Disarming the population is always in bad faith

Dosnt matter if its the gop or dnc that does it

Though the dems seem to LOVE the idea

Really? You don't think anyone could possibly in good faith see school shootings or the violence on the South Side of Chicago and come to earnestly believe that civilians don't need access to this kind of firepower?

The overwhelming majority of gun violence in this country is committed with handguns, which no one seems to want to regulate. Assault rifles are a tiny irrelevant drop in the bucket that happens to be high profile.
Quite frankly it's a red flag that dem politicians refuse to do the basic research necessary to know this before making policy proposals. Not that Trump is any better, though.

[Rusozak]

What do you think authoritarianism is? Like what does it consist of to you?


Really? You don't think anyone could possibly in good faith see school shootings or the violence on the South Side of Chicago and come to earnestly believe that civilians don't need access to this kind of firepower?

The overwhelming majority of gun violence in this country is committed with handguns, which no one seems to want to regulate. Assault rifles are a tiny irrelevant drop in the bucket that happens to be high profile.
Quite frankly it's a red flag that dem politicians refuse to do the basic research necessary to know this before making policy proposals. Not that Trump is any better, though.

High profile because incidents with assault rifles tend to have a lot of victims. I agree handguns are an issue too, but the assault rifle problem isn't negligible. Assault rifles are made for killing a lot of people very quickly. No one needs one for self defense or hunting.

[Telconi]

The overwhelming majority of gun violence in this country is committed with handguns, which no one seems to want to regulate. Assault rifles are a tiny irrelevant drop in the bucket that happens to be high profile.
Quite frankly it's a red flag that dem politicians refuse to do the basic research necessary to know this before making policy proposals. Not that Trump is any better, though.

High profile because incidents with assault rifles tend to have a lot of victims. I agree handguns are an issue too, but the assault rifle problem isn't negligible. Assault rifles are made for killing a lot of people very quickly. No one needs one for self defense or hunting.

No one? That's a pretty bold claim.

It's also worth noting that rather someone needs one isn't the point, the point is they're specifically targeting weapons which have minimal impact on murder numbers, discounting the idea that they're legitimately trying to reduce murder numbers. Which leaves us with two reasonable explanations, they're either woefully unfit to draft legislation, or they have a sinister motive for the legislation they do draft.

[Steppe Khanate]

I can understand why Bernie Sanders would become popular among younger people with little experience in the real world, economic populism has always relied on a sense of naivety and idealism.

I do have a question for the Sanders supporters here, when economic populists like Bernie Sanders say they will “tax the rich,” who do you think has their taxes raised?

[Picairn]

I can understand why Bernie Sanders would become popular among younger people with little experience in the real world, economic populism has always relied on a sense of naivety and idealism.

I do have a question for the Sanders supporters here, when economic populists like Bernie Sanders say they will “tax the rich,” who do you think has their taxes raised?

The irony here is that Scandinavian countries raise taxes on both the rich and the poor to pay for their programs. Sales tax in those nations are through the roof.