What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Uiiop]

By that he apparently only wants to fine you. The price tag is pretty steep in absolute terms but like i said if you're an actual capitalist nothing should fundamentally change.

are you going to piss on my head and tell me it's raining next?

No it's pretty much just piss in this case. Piss that trump himself flip-flops on supporting or not.

He really must be changing the party for the better. /s

[Senkaku]

If you think patriots blocked from your duties doesn't count as discrimination against them then more explanation is needed to say the absolute least.
The hypocrisy of acknowledging the GOP's trashiness on voter laws then dismissing is pretty amusing. Is it trash or is it just not pandering to minorities? You can pick only one.

personally it dost' matter if that is true or not anymore, the opposition is just that nightmarish

It has been only a few short years since you were a member of a group on their attack list, and only thanks to the fragile intervention of a few justices (or, as you might call them, "activist judges"). Is your memory really that short? Do you really think gay men are going to be left alone in an America undergoing authoritarian consolidation by Trump's GOP (with its massive evangelical support base)?

i don't want to live under increased taxes,

How about in a society with high-speed rail and affordable and pleasant public housing?

gun control,

Would you like to live a society that didn't have mass school shootings?

lax borders,

How does revived population and economic growth sound?

defunded(in some cases removed) police departments

I would love for you to explain what you think people on the left mean when they call for police departments to be defunded.

and socialized medicine.

...you're a deductible enthusiast?

plus biden is filling his side with old establishment GOP warmongers and corporatists, which is a HUGE red flag.

...sorry, is the pitch here that the GOP actually isn't full of warmongering corporatists? What would you call Trump himself, exactly?

You seem to think that Democrats want to do bad things just for the sake of making society worse. Do you realize that things like increased taxes are a means to an end, or are they the end goal of leftism in your mind?

[Nazeroth]

are you going to piss on my head and tell me it's raining next?

No it's pretty much just piss in this case. Piss that trump himself flip-flops on supporting or not.

He really must be changing the party for the better. /s

Joe biden wants to re enact the assault weapons ban and enact more red flag laws as well as reducing magazine capacity

That would turn millions of innocent people into criminals

Including myself

[Senkaku]

No it's pretty much just piss in this case. Piss that trump himself flip-flops on supporting or not.

He really must be changing the party for the better. /s

Joe biden wants to re enact the assault weapons ban and enact more red flag laws as well as reducing magazine capacity

That would turn millions of innocent people into criminals

Including myself

Not if they simply

got rid of their assault weapons in compliance with the law

[Nazeroth]

Joe biden wants to re enact the assault weapons ban and enact more red flag laws as well as reducing magazine capacity

That would turn millions of innocent people into criminals

Including myself

Not if they simply

got rid of their assault weapons in compliance with the law

Well with that logic the jews deserved to be thrown in the ovens

I mean, its the law.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Joe biden wants to re enact the assault weapons ban and enact more red flag laws as well as reducing magazine capacity

That would turn millions of innocent people into criminals

Including myself

Not if they simply

got rid of their assault weapons in compliance with the law

Sure, we will get rid of all of the "deadly assault weapons", but we get to keep all semi-automatic sporting rifles as a compromise.

[Senkaku]

Not if they simply

got rid of their assault weapons in compliance with the law

Well with that logic the jews deserved to be thrown in the ovens

I mean, its the law.

I'm pretty sure assault rifles don't have souls or families or communities, but that was a very quick jump to bringing in Nazism. If you want to have a serious conversation about genocide, we can have one, but I'm guessing you'd get annoyed by that pretty quickly too.

[Nazeroth]

Well with that logic the jews deserved to be thrown in the ovens

I mean, its the law.

I'm pretty sure assault rifles don't have souls or families or communities, but that was a very quick jump to bringing in Nazism. If you want to have a serious conversation about genocide, we can have one, but I'm guessing you'd get annoyed by that pretty quickly too.

If joe biden enacted the gun laws he wants i would say that it would be well past time for militias to revolt, justifiably so.

[Senkaku]

Not if they simply

got rid of their assault weapons in compliance with the law

Sure, we will get rid of all of the "deadly assault weapons", but we get to keep all semi-automatic sporting rifles as a compromise.

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

[Senkaku]

I'm pretty sure assault rifles don't have souls or families or communities, but that was a very quick jump to bringing in Nazism. If you want to have a serious conversation about genocide, we can have one, but I'm guessing you'd get annoyed by that pretty quickly too.

If joe biden enacted the gun laws he wants i would say that it would be well past time for militias to revolt, justifiably so.

I find it quite interesting how you're avoiding the questions about the GOP's homophobia by saying outrageous things about Jews in ovens and militia rebellions- do you have anything substantive to contribute, or is it all just going to be this level of distracting far-right outrage?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Sure, we will get rid of all of the "deadly assault weapons", but we get to keep all semi-automatic sporting rifles as a compromise.

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

Quick question... how is 55gr 5.56 fall into "Heavier weaponry then you really need for hunting or sport" when 147gr 30-06 or 175gr 7.62 doesn't?

[Nazeroth]

If joe biden enacted the gun laws he wants i would say that it would be well past time for militias to revolt, justifiably so.

I find it quite interesting how you're avoiding the questions about the GOP's homophobia by saying outrageous things about Jews in ovens and militia rebellions- do you have anything substantive to contribute, or is it all just going to be this level of distracting far-right outrage?

The gop has segements that are homophobic but its a big tent not the borg collective

[Telconi]

Well with that logic the jews deserved to be thrown in the ovens

I mean, its the law.

I'm pretty sure assault rifles don't have souls or families or communities, but that was a very quick jump to bringing in Nazism. If you want to have a serious conversation about genocide, we can have one, but I'm guessing you'd get annoyed by that pretty quickly too.

Menorahs and yarmulkes don't have souls or families or communities either. But the people who own them do.

[Telconi]

Sure, we will get rid of all of the "deadly assault weapons", but we get to keep all semi-automatic sporting rifles as a compromise.

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

Guns have value, ballots don't.

[Major-Tom]

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

Guns have value, ballots don't.

A bit of a tangent, but if Biden were to commit to a staunch pro-2A addendum in his platform, would you lean in favor of him? I'm curious, not trying to be nitpicky or anything.

[Senkaku]

I find it quite interesting how you're avoiding the questions about the GOP's homophobia by saying outrageous things about Jews in ovens and militia rebellions- do you have anything substantive to contribute, or is it all just going to be this level of distracting far-right outrage?

The gop has segements that are homophobic but its a big tent not the borg collective

What parts of the "big tent" are actively pushing back against homophobia? What has Trump been doing to "change the party" on the issue?

You deciding that you'd prefer to vote for a pretty overwhelmingly homophobic party rather than vote for the Democrats is your choice, but don't lie to yourself and try to sanitize it. You know what Republican elected officials at every level of government say on these matters. You've been on this Earth long enough to hear what they really think. If it's a worthwhile tradeoff for you when contrasted with Democratic policies, that's your call, but at least have the guts to own it.

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

Quick question... how is 55gr 5.56 fall into "Heavier weaponry then you really need for hunting or sport" when 147gr 30-06 or 175gr 7.62 doesn't?

I have only ever used shotguns and some bolt-action rifles when I was in Boy Scouts, so I am the wrong person to be evaluating which type of bullet is appropriate to use for hunting (though I would generally operate on the principle that weapons designed for battlefield use should be made distinct from weapons designed for sporting use). My milsperg phase was more focused on naval vessels and aircraft rather than small arms.

[Senkaku]

I'm pretty sure assault rifles don't have souls or families or communities, but that was a very quick jump to bringing in Nazism. If you want to have a serious conversation about genocide, we can have one, but I'm guessing you'd get annoyed by that pretty quickly too.

Menorahs and yarmulkes don't have souls or families or communities either. But the people who own them do.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

Guns have value, ballots don't.

A democratic system of government has no value?

You really do find new ways to plumb the depths, Tel.

[Nazeroth]

Yeah, I know the concept of assault weapons bans is flawed. But I'm not sure why Nazeroth thinks it's flawed enough to be worth supporting authoritarian consolidation by the far right- isn't the whole theory of being allowed to own heavier weaponry than you really need for hunting or sport that in case of a tyrannical government, you can rise up? What is the point of allowing American democracy to kick the bucket so long as the new order lets you keep the weapons? Seems rather backwards to me.

Guns have value, ballots don't.

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun”

Something i actually agree with the communists on

[Senkaku]

Guns have value, ballots don't.

A bit of a tangent, but if Biden were to commit to a staunch pro-2A addendum in his platform, would you lean in favor of him? I'm curious, not trying to be nitpicky or anything.

Of course not, because it would obviously be nothing but a fig leaf until the far left could hijack him. Tel is more conservative on a range of issues than he sometimes pretends.

[Telconi]

Guns have value, ballots don't.

A bit of a tangent, but if Biden were to commit to a staunch pro-2A addendum in his platform, would you lean in favor of him? I'm curious, not trying to be nitpicky or anything.

If Biden suddenly became a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment I'd spend the rest of my days until November pounding pavement for him

[Nazeroth]

The gop has segements that are homophobic but its a big tent not the borg collective

What parts of the "big tent" are actively pushing back against homophobia? What has Trump been doing to "change the party" on the issue?

You deciding that you'd prefer to vote for a pretty overwhelmingly homophobic party rather than vote for the Democrats is your choice, but don't lie to yourself and try to sanitize it. You know what Republican elected officials at every level of government say on these matters. You've been on this Earth long enough to hear what they really think. If it's a worthwhile tradeoff for you when contrasted with Democratic policies, that's your call, but at least have the guts to own it.

Quick question... how is 55gr 5.56 fall into "Heavier weaponry then you really need for hunting or sport" when 147gr 30-06 or 175gr 7.62 doesn't?

I have only ever used shotguns and some bolt-action rifles when I was in Boy Scouts, so I am the wrong person to be evaluating which type of bullet is appropriate to use for hunting (though I would generally operate on the principle that weapons designed for battlefield use should be made distinct from weapons designed for sporting use). My milsperg phase was more focused on naval vessels and aircraft rather than small arms.

Garbage rhetoric wrapped in left wing word salad

Not to mention im not shocked you dont know shit about firearms

[Nazeroth]

A bit of a tangent, but if Biden were to commit to a staunch pro-2A addendum in his platform, would you lean in favor of him? I'm curious, not trying to be nitpicky or anything.

If Biden suddenly became a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment I'd spend the rest of my days until November pounding pavement for him

If he was for repealing tons of gun laws id be for him too

[Senkaku]

Guns have value, ballots don't.

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun”

Something i actually agree with the communists on

I think that quote illustrates more that it's good to find other ways to exercise political power on a day-to-day basis (like elections) and to only use force as the final backstop of the state than anything else. War may be an extension of politics... but there's a reason people prefer to stick to peaceful mechanisms.

[Major-Tom]

A bit of a tangent, but if Biden were to commit to a staunch pro-2A addendum in his platform, would you lean in favor of him? I'm curious, not trying to be nitpicky or anything.

If Biden suddenly became a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment I'd spend the rest of my days until November pounding pavement for him

That easy, huh? This is why I want more Pro 2A Dems, for my own support of Gun Rights, but also because it would turn off way less voters like yourself.

Edit:

If Biden suddenly became a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment I'd spend the rest of my days until November pounding pavement for him

If he was for repealing tons of gun laws id be for him too

See what I mean?

[Nazeroth]

If Biden suddenly became a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment I'd spend the rest of my days until November pounding pavement for him

That easy, huh? This is why I want more Pro 2A Dems, for my own support of Gun Rights, but also because it would turn off way less voters like yourself.

Edit:

If he was for repealing tons of gun laws id be for him too

See what I mean?

Shame the dems have an authortarian hard on for disarming people