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How do you plan to vote? (Someone asked for this poll)

Biden (because I support Biden)
106
8%
Biden (because he's the lesser of two evils)
254
19%
Trump (for some reason)
264
20%
Third Party (or Independent)
117
9%
Write-In (maybe Bernie)
33
2%
I don't know right now
33
2%
I don't know (but I am not voting for Biden and/or Trump)
27
2%
I don't plan to vote
31
2%
I am against electoral politics
49
4%
I can't vote (under voting age, not a citizen, disenfrancisement, etc...)
428
32%
 
Total votes : 1342

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Postby Atheris » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Atheris wrote:What?

It’s a joke dude. CPUSA was so flooded with undercover FBI agents that’s it’s become a bit of a running joke to say they are the retirement home for the FBI


Oh. My bad.

Honestly, NiS was right earlier. Are you speaking English?

Huh? What does NiS have to do with anything here?

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Nazis in Space wrote:And I mean the media, not the screeching on NS. The latter barely registers as human speech.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:08 pm

Atheris wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s a joke dude. CPUSA was so flooded with undercover FBI agents that’s it’s become a bit of a running joke to say they are the retirement home for the FBI


Oh. My bad.

Honestly, NiS was right earlier. Are you speaking English?

Huh? What does NiS have to do with anything here?

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Ok but what does that have to do with my comment?
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:17 pm

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Nazis in Space wrote:Y'know what? Let's everyone decide for themselves.

's far as I can see, that speech's more coherent, civil and content-laden than the combined output of the far left.

By an order of magnitude or two.

And I mean the media, not the screeching on NS. The latter barely registers as human speech.

Such as? Don't be vague. Name the countries where the liberal party would allegedly be a right-wing party.

And if you're not referring to Liberal Party of New York but to the Democratic Party, kindly use the correct term. As much as I appreciate the hilarity inherent to the adoption of the classic oughts right-wing insult of 'Liberal' by the left wing (and it's certainly not the only talking point the far left has happily adopted from the right), we are beholden to certain standards here.

Oh, and still name the countries where the Dems would allegedly be 'Right-wing'.

China, DRPK, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos. The democrats are all definitely right wing in those countries. :p

I mean, if we apply the American political spectrum, they'd be to the left in all these countries on immigration, minorities, sexual morals, the environment, police and criminal justice, welfare, voting...

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Postby New haven america » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:47 pm

Broader Confederate States wrote:
Solvokina wrote:Liberalism is still a blanket term. The Democrats aren't left, they are Neo-lib's who only care about the market. In the USA you either vote for Neo-Con's or Neo-Lib's, there is no actual left-wing party/labour party

There are, actually, there are quite a few. It's just that Americans don't like full-on socialist or communist politics besides the fringe of the fringe who spend all their time on Twitter.

You two do realize there's more to the left than just Communists and Socialists, right?

Like, what if I were to tell you that the political spectrum was... a spectrum!?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:49 pm

New haven america wrote:
Broader Confederate States wrote:There are, actually, there are quite a few. It's just that Americans don't like full-on socialist or communist politics besides the fringe of the fringe who spend all their time on Twitter.

You two do realize there's more to the left than just Communists and Socialists, right?

Like, what if I were to tell you that the political spectrum was... a spectrum!?


So politics is like autism?

It's a developmental disorder.
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Postby Godular » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:03 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
New haven america wrote:You two do realize there's more to the left than just Communists and Socialists, right?

Like, what if I were to tell you that the political spectrum was... a spectrum!?


So politics is like autism?

It's a developmental disorder.


Well, many politicians DO demonstrate a remarkable amount of information filtration problems and rigid thinking.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:46 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:China, DRPK, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos. The democrats are all definitely right wing in those countries. :p

I mean, if we apply the American political spectrum, they'd be to the left in all these countries on immigration, minorities, sexual morals, the environment, police and criminal justice, welfare, voting...

It's entirely possible the democrats would be moderately to the right in Sweden. But the republicans would be moderately to the left in Hungary, so clearly our political spectrum is left-shifted, not right shifted.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:07 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:I mean, if we apply the American political spectrum, they'd be to the left in all these countries on immigration, minorities, sexual morals, the environment, police and criminal justice, welfare, voting...

It's entirely possible the democrats would be moderately to the right in Sweden. But the republicans would be moderately to the left in Hungary, so clearly our political spectrum is left-shifted, not right shifted.

Idk Orban is pretty left leaning economically
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:It's entirely possible the democrats would be moderately to the right in Sweden. But the republicans would be moderately to the left in Hungary, so clearly our political spectrum is left-shifted, not right shifted.

Idk Orban is pretty left leaning economically

IIRC Orban was pretty inconsistent economically and most notable for using corrupt deals/favoritism to try to reward his backers.
This is pretty similar to the republicans right now, actually.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:43 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:Such as? Don't be vague. Name the countries where the liberal party would allegedly be a right-wing party.


Most of western Europe ?
But let us use the Netherlands as an example. Their equivalent would be the right-wing party VVD; which is also the main right wing party that supplied the current prime minister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27 ... _Democracy

Between that and the socialist party we have an awful lot of other parties, like "Democrats 66" and "the Christian democrats" (right leaning centrist), and on the left "labour","the greens", the party of the animals etc.

With some populist parties like FVD (populist with mostly right wing teachings), PVV (right wing an immigration, left wing on economics, whatever gets votes on other things) and DENK (whatever muslims and especially Erdogan thinks must be correct) - and a few christian parties like SGP (fundamentalist, "women should have no rights"), christian union (abortion and metal music are bad, but most other left wing ideas are what Jesus would do).

Almost all however think concepts like universal healthcare, social security etc are no-brainers.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:20 am

If he promises to keep the tax cuts under Trump, keep the First Step Act (which strangely gave a lot of the prison reform leftists talk about, but because it was Trump it’s somehow automatically bad), stand up to the Chinese communist government who clearly wants to destroy the United States’ place as a world power in the long run, fight socialism, appoint conservative justices who will protect the rights of the unborn and safeguard Christian values, lower minority unemployment like Trump did in 2019, fight illegal immigration and call for greater immigration control, withdraw troops overseas from useless wars, and fight antifa, then I will vote for biden.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:55 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:If he promises to keep the tax cuts under Trump, keep the First Step Act (which strangely gave a lot of the prison reform leftists talk about, but because it was Trump it’s somehow automatically bad), stand up to the Chinese communist government who clearly wants to destroy the United States’ place as a world power in the long run, fight socialism, appoint conservative justices who will protect the rights of the unborn and safeguard Christian values, lower minority unemployment like Trump did in 2019, fight illegal immigration and call for greater immigration control, withdraw troops overseas from useless wars, and fight antifa, then I will vote for biden.

Basically become a right-winger. Yeah, not gonna happen.

With the polls strongly in Biden's favor, I have high hopes that January 20, 2021 will look like this. :p
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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:06 am

Picairn wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:If he promises to keep the tax cuts under Trump, keep the First Step Act (which strangely gave a lot of the prison reform leftists talk about, but because it was Trump it’s somehow automatically bad), stand up to the Chinese communist government who clearly wants to destroy the United States’ place as a world power in the long run, fight socialism, appoint conservative justices who will protect the rights of the unborn and safeguard Christian values, lower minority unemployment like Trump did in 2019, fight illegal immigration and call for greater immigration control, withdraw troops overseas from useless wars, and fight antifa, then I will vote for biden.

Basically become a right-winger. Yeah, not gonna happen.

With the polls strongly in Biden's favor, I have high hopes that January 20, 2021 will look like this. :p

Image not found, which is pretty accurate since 2020 will probably erase the Holocene civilization as we know it. :D (My government censored a lot of sites, though, so maybe that's why I can't see the image).
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Postby Picairn » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:11 am

Region of Dwipantara wrote:Image not found, which is pretty accurate since 2020 will probably erase the Holocene civilization as we know it. :D (My government censored a lot of sites, though, so maybe that's why I can't see the image).

Probably because you have slow internet connection. If you wait for a minute and still can't see anything then yes, maybe the government is censoring you.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:07 pm

Picairn wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:If he promises to keep the tax cuts under Trump, keep the First Step Act (which strangely gave a lot of the prison reform leftists talk about, but because it was Trump it’s somehow automatically bad), stand up to the Chinese communist government who clearly wants to destroy the United States’ place as a world power in the long run, fight socialism, appoint conservative justices who will protect the rights of the unborn and safeguard Christian values, lower minority unemployment like Trump did in 2019, fight illegal immigration and call for greater immigration control, withdraw troops overseas from useless wars, and fight antifa, then I will vote for biden.

Basically become a right-winger. Yeah, not gonna happen.

With the polls strongly in Biden's favor, I have high hopes that January 20, 2021 will look like this. :p

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Postby Picairn » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:28 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:It says image not found

Oops, must be the autodelete option. Fixed.
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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:29 pm

Picairn wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:It says image not found

Oops, must be the autodelete option. Fixed.

You want Oprah Winfrey and Jeff Bezos in the cabinet?
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:29 pm

Picairn wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:It says image not found

Oops, must be the autodelete option. Fixed.


I just pray we won't have a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment.
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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:30 pm

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Picairn wrote:Oops, must be the autodelete option. Fixed.


I just pray we won't have a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment.

We had one 4 years ago
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Postby Picairn » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:31 pm

Aureumterra wrote:You want Oprah Winfrey and Jeff Bezos in the cabinet?

Nope, but you gotta agree that was a good parody. :)
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Postby Unified German-State » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:34 pm

He would have to be way more senile and kooky, more so than he already is. Considering that democracy is a giant circus anyways, you may as well have some fun with it before it comes crashing down.
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Picairn wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:If he promises to keep the tax cuts under Trump, keep the First Step Act (which strangely gave a lot of the prison reform leftists talk about, but because it was Trump it’s somehow automatically bad), stand up to the Chinese communist government who clearly wants to destroy the United States’ place as a world power in the long run, fight socialism, appoint conservative justices who will protect the rights of the unborn and safeguard Christian values, lower minority unemployment like Trump did in 2019, fight illegal immigration and call for greater immigration control, withdraw troops overseas from useless wars, and fight antifa, then I will vote for biden.

Basically become a right-winger. Yeah, not gonna happen.

With the polls strongly in Biden's favor, I have high hopes that January 20, 2021 will look like this. :p

A neoliberal corporate Democrat defeating a corporate Republican really isn't an improvement. I prefer to vote for the Green Party candidate who supports my left-wing pro-working class values even though he likely won't win over one of the two corporate candidates who will benefit the rich and the big corporations, and pretty much nobody else.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:41 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:A neoliberal corporate Democrat defeating a corporate Republican really isn't an improvement. I prefer to vote for the Green Party candidate who supports my left-wing pro-working class values even though he likely won't win over one of the two corporate candidates who will benefit the rich and the big corporations, and pretty much nobody else.

Voting third party in the US is the equivalent of throwing your vote away. But hey, I won't stop you.
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Postby Region of Dwipantara » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:45 pm

Picairn wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:A neoliberal corporate Democrat defeating a corporate Republican really isn't an improvement. I prefer to vote for the Green Party candidate who supports my left-wing pro-working class values even though he likely won't win over one of the two corporate candidates who will benefit the rich and the big corporations, and pretty much nobody else.

Voting third party in the US is the equivalent of throwing your vote away. But hey, I won't stop you.

*Voting third party in the US is the equivalent of not voting, which may actually have an impact. Maybe.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:46 pm

Region of Dwipantara wrote:
Picairn wrote:Voting third party in the US is the equivalent of throwing your vote away. But hey, I won't stop you.

*Voting third party in the US is the equivalent of not voting, which may actually have an impact. Maybe.

Depends on your state. In Georgia or Florida it would have an impact however in California or Utah there’s zero impact from voting third party
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