What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Mirjt]

Bernie Sanders write-in would be a clearer message.

I'm not wasting my vote for Bernie Sanders. Writing in his name won't make me laugh.

I understand your desire for a protest vote (one with humorous effect), though in order for any such naming jest to be reported in the media, that name must first be written-in, and in many states if someone has not filled the paperwork to be considered a write-in candidate, anyone who writes in that candidate will have their entire ballot (including down ballot) tossed out. I find it unlikely that anyone as filed the paperwork for "my left nut" to be a write-in candidate.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok then. Enjoy trump.

It's not like we didn't warn you, you should have learned from 2016. Oh well lol

Feels like my words are just going in one ear and right out the other. Stop trying to guilt trip me.

*shrugs* I’m not one for guilt trips.

Even then they won’t work on a mentality of unless you give me Bernie I will support somebody who has no hope in hell of winning and you can’t blame me if trump wins again.

[Atheris]

I'm not wasting my vote for Bernie Sanders. Writing in his name won't make me laugh.

I understand your desire for a protest vote (one with humorous effect), though in order for any such naming jest to be reported in the media, that name must first be written-in, and in many states if someone has not filled the paperwork to be considered a write-in candidate, anyone who writes in that candidate will have their entire ballot (including down ballot) tossed out. I find it unlikely that anyone as filed the paperwork for "my left nut" to be a write-in candidate.

Not with that attitude.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok then. Enjoy trump.

People voting for the Greens isn’t going to help Trump win. California isn’t going to go red so you can drop the cringeworthy attempt at guilt tripping.

*shrugs* voting for somebody who will never win is basically supporting whomever wins. Thinking it’s a protest vote? Probably won’t even be noticed much and it helps keep the status quo in DC.

[Sundiata]

I don't think Joe Biden is necessarily there to win but rather to maintain order and a sense of status quo, appeasing the electorate. I don't expect him to win because the progressive wing of the Democratic Party demands far more than he offers in terms of policy and that's a significant bloc of voters. Rhetoric aside, President Trump is likewise no threat to the economic status quo as it currently exists.

With two status-quo candidates running against one another, I expect Trump to win given that he has the incumbent advantage.

[The Black Forrest]

There is an effort from organizations like Swing Left (https://swingleft.org/) to flip red states blue, and Texas is one of their goals.

Trying to flip Texas blue is like trying to stop Italy from switching sides.

Regardless, this is another reason why I support NatPoVoInterCo.

Oh only a fool will think Texas would change to blue. Now purple? It’s done that before.....

[Bombadil]

I don't think Joe Biden is necessarily there to win but rather to maintain order and a sense of status quo, appeasing the electorate. I don't expect him to win because the progressive wing of the Democratic Party demands far more than he's offers in terms of policy and that's a significant bloc of voters. Rhetoric aside, President Trump is likewise no threat to the economic status quo as it currently exists.

With two status-quo candidates running against one another, I expect Trump to win given that he has the incumbent advantage.

Where do you think he's picked up votes? He fluked 3 states with 72,000 votes between them, he lost the overall vote by some 3 million votes.

Where has he picked up votes?

A lot of those who voted him were as much voting against Hillary Clinton, this won't be so much the case this year. I really can't see him winning but lord knows this is America, and a week is a long time in politics.

[-SARS-]

That would be fun. Too bad viruses can't vote cos I would definitely vote for your left nut.

Bernie Sanders write-in would be a clearer message.

Nowhere near as funny.

And besides, I am pretty sure my endorsement has negative value if I offered serious support for a professional politician.

[Sundiata]

I don't think Joe Biden is necessarily there to win but rather to maintain order and a sense of status quo, appeasing the electorate. I don't expect him to win because the progressive wing of the Democratic Party demands far more than he's offers in terms of policy and that's a significant bloc of voters. Rhetoric aside, President Trump is likewise no threat to the economic status quo as it currently exists.

With two status-quo candidates running against one another, I expect Trump to win given that he has the incumbent advantage.

Where do you think he's picked up votes? He fluked 3 states with 72,000 votes between them, he lost the overall vote by some 3 million votes.

Where has he picked up votes?

A lot of those who voted him were as much voting against Hillary Clinton, this won't be so much the case this year. I really can't see him winning but lord knows this is America, and a week is a long time in politics.

Generally speaking, less populous States and swing States. That's all that's needed to win the electoral college.

[Bombadil]

Where do you think he's picked up votes? He fluked 3 states with 72,000 votes between them, he lost the overall vote by some 3 million votes.

Where has he picked up votes?

A lot of those who voted him were as much voting against Hillary Clinton, this won't be so much the case this year. I really can't see him winning but lord knows this is America, and a week is a long time in politics.

Generally speaking, less populous States and swing States. That's all that's needed to win the electoral college.

Less populous states tend to be Republican regardless, I've long given up on Florida and Ohio but they're not actually required. I suspect a lot of moderates and independents who could not bring themselves to vote for Clinton will pretty much vote for anyone other than Trump now.

[Alcala-Cordel]

It's not like we didn't warn you, you should have learned from 2016. Oh well lol

Feels like my words are just going in one ear and right out the other. Stop trying to guilt trip me.

*shrugs* I’m not one for guilt trips.

Even then they won’t work on a mentality of unless you give me Bernie I will support somebody who has no hope in hell of winning and you can’t blame me if trump wins again.

You seem to think I'm some loyal Democrat who's just stubbornly refusing to vote for Biden because he's not my first choice. I don't politically align with Democrats. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm a proletarian. As a proletarian, I refuse to back your bourgeois candidate.

[Atheris]

*shrugs* I’m not one for guilt trips.

Even then they won’t work on a mentality of unless you give me Bernie I will support somebody who has no hope in hell of winning and you can’t blame me if trump wins again.

You seem to think I'm some loyal Democrat who's just stubbornly refusing to vote for Biden because he's not my first choice. I don't politically align with Democrats. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm a proletarian. As a proletarian, I refuse to back your bourgeois candidate.

cursed

[Valrifell]

*shrugs* I’m not one for guilt trips.

Even then they won’t work on a mentality of unless you give me Bernie I will support somebody who has no hope in hell of winning and you can’t blame me if trump wins again.

You seem to think I'm some loyal Democrat who's just stubbornly refusing to vote for Biden because he's not my first choice. I don't politically align with Democrats. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm a proletarian. As a proletarian, I refuse to back your bourgeois candidate.

All candidates are bourgeois in every election. We live in a dictatorship of the bourgeois, that some are class traitors and are sympathetic to causes larger than themselves doesn't change that fact.

[The Black Forrest]

*shrugs* I’m not one for guilt trips.

Even then they won’t work on a mentality of unless you give me Bernie I will support somebody who has no hope in hell of winning and you can’t blame me if trump wins again.

You seem to think I'm some loyal Democrat who's just stubbornly refusing to vote for Biden because he's not my first choice. I don't politically align with Democrats. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm a proletarian. As a proletarian, I refuse to back your bourgeois candidate.

If I was going to declare you a loyal democrat; I would have mentioned it.

I’m not even a democrat.

[The Black Forrest]

You seem to think I'm some loyal Democrat who's just stubbornly refusing to vote for Biden because he's not my first choice. I don't politically align with Democrats. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm a proletarian. As a proletarian, I refuse to back your bourgeois candidate.

All candidates are bourgeois in every election. We live in a dictatorship of the bourgeois, that some are class traitors and are sympathetic to causes larger than themselves doesn't change that fact.

You think a “man of the people” candidate can win?

[Sundiata]

Generally speaking, less populous States and swing States. That's all that's needed to win the electoral college.

Less populous states tend to be Republican regardless, I've long given up on Florida and Ohio but they're not actually required. I suspect a lot of moderates and independents who could not bring themselves to vote for Clinton will pretty much vote for anyone other than Trump now.

I expect moderates and independents not to vote or have low voter turnout, securing a Trump electoral college victory.

[Nolo gap]

the point is moot. i'll vote for any dog in the car who isn't named trump.

its unfortunate we have biden because trump picked him by picking on him so he could have an opponent he might be able to beat.
more acurately his russian mafia puppetmesters did, but that's saying the same thing.

i'm more interested in issues then personalities, because they have more to do with the kind of world we all have to live in.
and it is that, not flaws of personality, that are why the tird on the chair behind the desk is such a disaster.

hillary wasn't my first choice either, but to hell with personality, look at where we are and where we wouldn't be if she had won.
all trump ever gave us were the occasional big numbers on wall street, and those go up and come down,
depending on the phase of the moon and which way someone farts.

all i ask of biden is to not be as tin foil hat loonie as the disaster we currently have.
and i do believe, that is the one thing he will prove to be good at.

and he can still pick someone like liz or burnie for number two, and there's more then them to pick from who would make good choices too.
warren could still serve in an economic advisory capacity. she's be way better at it then i ever could.

personally i'm more interested in little people sized trains, people being allowed to build little people sized houses for themselves without having to indenture themselves in a big way, in little furry creatures in my garden, in not having to be a one percenter to even have a garden, people need to be odd, not awed.

[Sylh Alanor]

Can we write-in Harambe again? I miss my main monkey man.

I miss when zoo animal treatment (not immigrants in cages) was one of the more serious issues. Though to be fair, homelessness, hunger, poverty, various upcoming crisis were issues too, just no one in mainstream media (or most politicians) paid attention to them.

I know this is going a bit off-topic, and I can't vote in a US election anyway, but you touched on something that I've experienced recently and I wanted to share.

So in BC (Canada), we have a provincial government made up of a pseudo-coalition between the NDP (leftist/social democrat party) and Green parties. When they made the deal to form the government, a lot of us who are interested in policies from both parties were super excited. But instead, they've tempered the best qualities of each other and made, essentially, a basic BC Liberal government. So on the Provincial/Municipal level, a new party has formed that's gotten me really excited, the BC Eco-Socialist Party. It's working with labour unions and activists all over the province to give them a platform and run on their specific issues, while supporting each other and interweaving the messages. So even if I vote NDP/Green for federal elections depending on which candidate is better, I know that I can still vote purely with my conscience locally.

I just wanted to share that it's sometimes much more rewarding to look at your local politics and work on the things that you care about there. If you can find a green-left party there, they're likely to be interested in all of the issues you mentioned. Environmentalism, animal rights, homelessness, hunger, poverty, and who knows how many other things. Even if it's only for local school committees or city councils, it might make your federal politics a little easier to stomach.

[Deruuu Fanclub]

i vote for biden because i support biden.

[Bombadil]

Less populous states tend to be Republican regardless, I've long given up on Florida and Ohio but they're not actually required. I suspect a lot of moderates and independents who could not bring themselves to vote for Clinton will pretty much vote for anyone other than Trump now.

I expect moderates and independents not to vote or have low voter turnout, securing a Trump electoral college victory.

I think you underestimate the extent to which a lot of people are sick and tired of Trump being in their faces all day long spouting bullshit and generally embarrassing America.

[Gormwood]

I expect moderates and independents not to vote or have low voter turnout, securing a Trump electoral college victory.

I think you underestimate the extent to which a lot of people are sick and tired of Trump being in their faces all day long spouting bullshit and generally embarrassing America.

And friends and relatives dying off because their state didn't kiss enough orange ass to get PPEs snd ventilators.

[Ors Might]

People voting for the Greens isn’t going to help Trump win. California isn’t going to go red so you can drop the cringeworthy attempt at guilt tripping.

*shrugs* voting for somebody who will never win is basically supporting whomever wins. Thinking it’s a protest vote? Probably won’t even be noticed much and it helps keep the status quo in DC.

Voting for someone who will never win is not supporting whomever wins. That’s completely inane.

[Alcala-Cordel]

If I was going to declare you a loyal democrat; I would have mentioned it.
I’m not even a democrat.

You certainly seem attached to Biden

[The Black Forrest]

*shrugs* voting for somebody who will never win is basically supporting whomever wins. Thinking it’s a protest vote? Probably won’t even be noticed much and it helps keep the status quo in DC.

Voting for someone who will never win is not supporting whomever wins. That’s completely inane.

*shrugs* not really.

[Gormwood]

*shrugs* voting for somebody who will never win is basically supporting whomever wins. Thinking it’s a protest vote? Probably won’t even be noticed much and it helps keep the status quo in DC.

Voting for someone who will never win is not supporting whomever wins. That’s completely inane.

It's forfeiting the game to the winner. Same difference.