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How do you plan to vote? (Someone asked for this poll)

Biden (because I support Biden)
106
8%
Biden (because he's the lesser of two evils)
254
19%
Trump (for some reason)
264
20%
Third Party (or Independent)
117
9%
Write-In (maybe Bernie)
33
2%
I don't know right now
33
2%
I don't know (but I am not voting for Biden and/or Trump)
27
2%
I don't plan to vote
31
2%
I am against electoral politics
49
4%
I can't vote (under voting age, not a citizen, disenfrancisement, etc...)
428
32%
 
Total votes : 1342

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Centai Mal
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Postby Centai Mal » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:16 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Centai Mal wrote:Hmm, no, an undercurrent of racism and bigotry is what got us here. Tyranny has an actual meaning, which you don't seem to understand, but try again, sweet cheeks.

Let's lay off the personal snipes. It can easily slip into flamebaiting/flaming territory.

I'm listening to a bunch of people who would rather preach at people about how morally superior they are, all while allowing a president who tear gasses and shoots protesters for a bloody photo op to continue his reign of terror on minorities, because they've decided to make up new definitions for words. Sorry if I'm a little pissed off, but I'd like to not deal with four more years of waking up in the middle of the night sweating because my rights are being controlled by an insane lunatic, and it boils my blood that people are just straight-up willing to lie because it makes their point stronger.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:19 pm

Centai Mal wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Racism and bigotry are inevitable under Capitalism. When will you liberals understand that? Capitalism perpetuates racism.

Oh, nevermind, you're a tankie. Venezuela sounds swell right now

Really dude? That’s a pretty standard non tankie line from most socialists. But hey as long as your oppression comes from a shady corporation that says “LGBTQ rights” once a year everything is ok
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:21 pm

Centai Mal wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Let's lay off the personal snipes. It can easily slip into flamebaiting/flaming territory.

I'm listening to a bunch of people who would rather preach at people about how morally superior they are, all while allowing a president who tear gasses and shoots protesters for a bloody photo op to continue his reign of terror on minorities, because they've decided to make up new definitions for words. Sorry if I'm a little pissed off, but I'd like to not deal with four more years of waking up in the middle of the night sweating because my rights are being controlled by an insane lunatic, and it boils my blood that people are just straight-up willing to lie because it makes their point stronger.

Maybe you should log off the internet for a bit if it’s that bad
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:23 pm

Centai Mal wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Let's lay off the personal snipes. It can easily slip into flamebaiting/flaming territory.

I'm listening to a bunch of people who would rather preach at people about how morally superior they are, all while allowing a president who tear gasses and shoots protesters for a bloody photo op to continue his reign of terror on minorities, because they've decided to make up new definitions for words. Sorry if I'm a little pissed off, but I'd like to not deal with four more years of waking up in the middle of the night sweating because my rights are being controlled by an insane lunatic, and it boils my blood that people are just straight-up willing to lie because it makes their point stronger.

The need to be smug about how The System Is Corrupt has a habit of turning people into disciples of the dark lord BothSame.
Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:23 pm

Centai Mal wrote:I'd like to not deal with four more years of waking up in the middle of the night sweating because my rights are being controlled by an insane lunatic,

That's some bold claims without evidence. Enough with the alarmist talks already, and god forbid if you want to compare Trump to Hitler and Nazi Germany, like an endless supply of people ignorant of history has made on social media.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:25 pm

Picairn wrote:
Centai Mal wrote:I'd like to not deal with four more years of waking up in the middle of the night sweating because my rights are being controlled by an insane lunatic,

That's some bold claims without evidence. Enough with the alarmist talks already, and god forbid if you want to compare Trump to Hitler and Nazi Germany, like an endless supply of people ignorant of history has made on social media.

This has a good chance of becoming another "Trump would NEVER do THAT!!!" moment if he actually gets reelected.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:26 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Picairn wrote:That's some bold claims without evidence. Enough with the alarmist talks already, and god forbid if you want to compare Trump to Hitler and Nazi Germany, like an endless supply of people ignorant of history has made on social media.

This has a good chance of becoming another "Trump would NEVER do THAT!!!" moment if he actually gets reelected.

Well so far he hasn’t really done shit because he’s a bumbling idiot
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:28 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:This has a good chance of becoming another "Trump would NEVER do THAT!!!" moment if he actually gets reelected.

Well so far he hasn’t really done shit because he’s a bumbling idiot

Because relying on someone to bumble away from fucking disaster is a brilliant policy. A second term is basically a blank check for him to go apeshit.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:30 pm

Gormwood wrote:This has a good chance of becoming another "Trump would NEVER do THAT!!!" moment if he actually gets reelected.

It's been nearly four years and Trump couldn't even land Hillary into jail. Hitler got rid of Strasser and his entire wing in just one year into his term.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:34 pm

Picairn wrote:
Gormwood wrote:This has a good chance of becoming another "Trump would NEVER do THAT!!!" moment if he actually gets reelected.

It's been nearly four years and Trump couldn't even land Hillary into jail. Hitler got rid of Strasser and his entire wing in just one year into his term.

That's because Trump didn't even bother trying to get Clinton locked up. "And now we don't care."
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:39 pm

Gormwood wrote:That's because Trump didn't even bother trying to get Clinton locked up. "And now we don't care."

If Trump can't put Hillary into jail despite numerous investigations, you know he isn't and can't be a dictator. Whatever lurks in his mind is irrelevant, because only actions make meaningful change.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:43 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well so far he hasn’t really done shit because he’s a bumbling idiot

Because relying on someone to bumble away from fucking disaster is a brilliant policy. A second term is basically a blank check for him to go apeshit.

He’s not gonna go apeshit because he’s a fucking idiot
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Postby The Grims » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Because relying on someone to bumble away from fucking disaster is a brilliant policy. A second term is basically a blank check for him to go apeshit.

He’s not gonna go apeshit because he’s a fucking idiot

Until someone does something that hurts his ego. Twitter came close.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:47 pm

The Grims wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:He’s not gonna go apeshit because he’s a fucking idiot

Until someone does something that hurts his ego. Twitter came close.

Like letting a child play in an armory unsupervised. We'd be lucky if he only blew himself up.
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Postby Centai Mal » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:48 pm

Picairn wrote:
Centai Mal wrote:I'd like to not deal with four more years of waking up in the middle of the night sweating because my rights are being controlled by an insane lunatic,

That's some bold claims without evidence. Enough with the alarmist talks already, and god forbid if you want to compare Trump to Hitler and Nazi Germany, like an endless supply of people ignorant of history has made on social media.

....What they hell do you mean, bold claim without evidence. Look around you - we're at the gates of hell! Have you heard what comes out of his mouth?

You wanna read about lost civil rights? https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/
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Postby Centai Mal » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:53 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Centai Mal wrote:I'm listening to a bunch of people who would rather preach at people about how morally superior they are, all while allowing a president who tear gasses and shoots protesters for a bloody photo op to continue his reign of terror on minorities, because they've decided to make up new definitions for words. Sorry if I'm a little pissed off, but I'd like to not deal with four more years of waking up in the middle of the night sweating because my rights are being controlled by an insane lunatic, and it boils my blood that people are just straight-up willing to lie because it makes their point stronger.

The need to be smug about how The System Is Corrupt has a habit of turning people into disciples of the dark lord BothSame.

But remember, they're morally superior, of course. Because fucking over minorities, so they can remain "pure" is great fun.

Seriously, I really want to see how many people here are white, middle class, cishet, and able-bodied. Almost everyone here who's had a nuanced take has been a minority, because shockingly, we actually stand to lose things.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:55 pm

Centai Mal wrote:....What they hell do you mean, bold claim without evidence. Look around you - we're at the gates of hell! Have you heard what comes out of his mouth?

You wanna read about lost civil rights? https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

His travel bans have been stricken down by the courts. That's the beauty of checks and balances.

Rhetoric is irrelevant because it is only... words. What a shocker, isn't it? 10,000 tweets from Trump bashing Obama, Hillary and the "Deep State" can't be compared to Hitler getting rid of Strasser just one year into his term and transforming Germany into a militant state in six short years (1933-1939).
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:57 pm

Centai Mal wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The need to be smug about how The System Is Corrupt has a habit of turning people into disciples of the dark lord BothSame.

But remember, they're morally superior, of course. Because fucking over minorities, so they can remain "pure" is great fun.

Seriously, I really want to see how many people here are white, middle class, cishet, and able-bodied. Almost everyone here who's had a nuanced take has been a minority, because shockingly, we actually stand to lose things.

Could you stop being racist for one goddamn minute?

Jesus dude. Stop painting everyone you disagree with a massively large brush, it doesn’t do any good
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:00 pm

Picairn wrote:
Centai Mal wrote:....What they hell do you mean, bold claim without evidence. Look around you - we're at the gates of hell! Have you heard what comes out of his mouth?

You wanna read about lost civil rights? https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

His travel bans have been stricken down by the courts. That's the beauty of checks and balances.

Rhetoric is irrelevant because it is only... words. What a shocker, isn't it? 10,000 tweets from Trump bashing Obama, Hillary and the "Deep State" can't be compared to Hitler getting rid of Strasser just one year into his term and transforming Germany into a militant state in six short years (1933-1939).


Did you just not read past the first five things? Or did you just miss all the EOs and laws passed?
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:00 pm

Centai Mal wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The need to be smug about how The System Is Corrupt has a habit of turning people into disciples of the dark lord BothSame.

But remember, they're morally superior, of course. Because fucking over minorities, so they can remain "pure" is great fun.

Seriously, I really want to see how many people here are white, middle class, cishet, and able-bodied. Almost everyone here who's had a nuanced take has been a minority, because shockingly, we actually stand to lose things.

Classic Somebody Else's Problem.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:01 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Picairn wrote:His travel bans have been stricken down by the courts. That's the beauty of checks and balances.

Rhetoric is irrelevant because it is only... words. What a shocker, isn't it? 10,000 tweets from Trump bashing Obama, Hillary and the "Deep State" can't be compared to Hitler getting rid of Strasser just one year into his term and transforming Germany into a militant state in six short years (1933-1939).


Did you just not read past the first five things? Or did you just miss all the EOs and laws passed?

Some of those things are dubious when it comes to civil rights.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:02 pm

If Trump had established a secret police right into his term in 2017 and got rid of the Democratic Party just one year later, then you guys could all make comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany whenever and wherever you like...

... Too bad it's not real.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:05 pm

Picairn wrote:If Trump had established a secret police right into his term in 2017 and got rid of the Democratic Party just one year later, then you guys could all make comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany whenever and wherever you like...

... Too bad it's not real.


You do realize that a comparison between two things is not an attempt to declare them synonymous, right?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:08 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Picairn wrote:If Trump had established a secret police right into his term in 2017 and got rid of the Democratic Party just one year later, then you guys could all make comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany whenever and wherever you like...

... Too bad it's not real.


You do realize that a comparison between two things is not an attempt to declare them synonymous, right?

Trump really isn’t a Hitler figure. He’s closer to Mussolini if we had to pick a fascist dictator. But really Trump is no different than your run of the mill right wing authoritarian.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:11 pm

Picairn wrote:If Trump had established a secret police right into his term in 2017 and got rid of the Democratic Party just one year later, then you guys could all make comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany whenever and wherever you like...

... Too bad it's not real.


You don’t need to eliminate the party. Just stack the court with as many ideologues as possible.
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