What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Kannap]

Okay, so Trump and Biden are both shit, now what?

With the Democrats taking back the White House, getting some or more of your socialist wet dreams is within the realm of theoretical possibility whereas if Trump is reelected and the Republicans stack the Supreme Court 7-2 or worse you well as might stick to fantasizing about socialist change on the internet. With the harsh reality of a 2 party system voting 3rd party is announcing you're irrelevant and safe to dismiss.

Feel free to dismiss me, the system is shit. You seem to have this idea that we're not holding Trump to the same standard by throwing all this flak anytime Biden does something. I'm telling you that they're both incredibly shitty people who say and do shitty things and I hate both of them. Now what? What do we do about that?

[Gormwood]

With the Democrats taking back the White House, getting some or more of your socialist wet dreams is within the realm of theoretical possibility whereas if Trump is reelected and the Republicans stack the Supreme Court 7-2 or worse you well as might stick to fantasizing about socialist change on the internet. With the harsh reality of a 2 party system voting 3rd party is announcing you're irrelevant and safe to dismiss.

Feel free to dismiss me, the system is shit. You seem to have this idea that we're not holding Trump to the same standard by throwing all this flak anytime Biden does something. I'm telling you that they're both incredibly shitty people who say and do shitty things and I hate both of them. Now what? What do we do about that?

But it's the system this country currently runs on, so taking your ball and going home in a huff is de facto endorsing the status quo while yelling "Look at me! I'm not a sheep like the rest of you!" And with the fixation on taking down Biden as opposition to Trump in this thread it sure seems like it. Coddling Donald like he always has been.

[Kannap]

Feel free to dismiss me, the system is shit. You seem to have this idea that we're not holding Trump to the same standard by throwing all this flak anytime Biden does something. I'm telling you that they're both incredibly shitty people who say and do shitty things and I hate both of them. Now what? What do we do about that?

But it's the system this country currently runs on, so taking your ball and going home in a huff is de facto endorsing the status quo while yelling "Look at me! I'm not a sheep like the rest of you!" And with the fixation on taking down Biden as opposition to Trump in this thread it sure seems like it. Coddling Donald like he always has been.

I'll be stuck with the status quo no matter what I do: Either Biden or Trump will win, that's the status quo and it sucks. I don't care for anybody else votes for, unless you're voting for Trump then I probably won't get along with you. If you think my voting for Hawkins is a big deal, then I'm sorry for you, it's not. It's just a vote on behalf of somebody who's tired of the same blue vs. red bullshit that just beats the rest of us down regardless of who wins.

Both men are shit, so why would I vote for shit when I can just understand that the system has already beaten me either way and vote for a guy who at least genuinely seems to be a great guy?

[ArenaC]

With the Democrats taking back the White House, getting some or more of your socialist wet dreams is within the realm of theoretical possibility whereas if Trump is reelected and the Republicans stack the Supreme Court 7-2 or worse you well as might stick to fantasizing about socialist change on the internet. With the harsh reality of a 2 party system voting 3rd party is announcing you're irrelevant and safe to dismiss.

Feel free to dismiss me, the system is shit. You seem to have this idea that we're not holding Trump to the same standard by throwing all this flak anytime Biden does something. I'm telling you that they're both incredibly shitty people who say and do shitty things and I hate both of them. Now what? What do we do about that?

Nothing. People don’t hold power anymore.

[Kannap]

Feel free to dismiss me, the system is shit. You seem to have this idea that we're not holding Trump to the same standard by throwing all this flak anytime Biden does something. I'm telling you that they're both incredibly shitty people who say and do shitty things and I hate both of them. Now what? What do we do about that?

Nothing. People don’t hold power anymore.

That's right, corporations and big money interests in the pockets of politicians hold all the power. That's not going to change whether Biden or Trump gets elected, that's not going to change whether Congress is Democrat or Republican. For some reason I'm still playing the game though, because if you don't have hope or optimism, then what's the point? So while I can't vote for Biden or Trump because I hate them both and they're shitty people who do and say shitty things, I'll vote Green for the presidency and Democrat down-ballot.

[The Black Forrest]

Nothing. People don’t hold power anymore.

That's right, corporations and big money interests in the pockets of politicians hold all the power. That's not going to change whether Biden or Trump gets elected, that's not going to change whether Congress is Democrat or Republican. For some reason I'm still playing the game though, because if you don't have hope or optimism, then what's the point? So while I can't vote for Biden or Trump because I hate them both and they're shitty people who do and say shitty things, I'll vote Green for the presidency and Democrat down-ballot.

That’s people in general. It’s easy for someone like the green candidate to talk about it when he doesn’t draw enough interest to get offered that kind of money.

Faced with a chance of defeating a D/R opponent for the Presidency and needing more money? Promises have a habit of being modified.

[Czechostan]

Nothing. People don’t hold power anymore.

That's right, corporations and big money interests in the pockets of politicians hold all the power. That's not going to change whether Biden or Trump gets elected, that's not going to change whether Congress is Democrat or Republican. For some reason I'm still playing the game though, because if you don't have hope or optimism, then what's the point? So while I can't vote for Biden or Trump because I hate them both and they're shitty people who do and say shitty things, I'll vote Green for the presidency and Democrat down-ballot.

Even in a functioning democracy, voting once every four years should be a small part of political involvement, not the totality of it. Get involved with political causes and organizations, try to make a difference in the world. Then you see how comparatively insignificant which color you voted for in November is.

[Qabea]

That's right, corporations and big money interests in the pockets of politicians hold all the power. That's not going to change whether Biden or Trump gets elected, that's not going to change whether Congress is Democrat or Republican. For some reason I'm still playing the game though, because if you don't have hope or optimism, then what's the point? So while I can't vote for Biden or Trump because I hate them both and they're shitty people who do and say shitty things, I'll vote Green for the presidency and Democrat down-ballot.

Even in a functioning democracy, voting once every four years should be a small part of political involvement, not the totality of it. Get involved with political causes and organizations, try to make a difference in the world. Then you see how comparatively insignificant which color you voted for in November is.

This is truly pessimistic; but my knocking doors doesn't come close to the influx of money into politics from corporations. If you think politics comes down to grassroots movements, you've never heard of Citizen's United.

[Valrifell]

Feel free to dismiss me, the system is shit. You seem to have this idea that we're not holding Trump to the same standard by throwing all this flak anytime Biden does something. I'm telling you that they're both incredibly shitty people who say and do shitty things and I hate both of them. Now what? What do we do about that?

Nothing. People don’t hold power anymore.

People never had power in the American system.

[Gormwood]

But it's the system this country currently runs on, so taking your ball and going home in a huff is de facto endorsing the status quo while yelling "Look at me! I'm not a sheep like the rest of you!" And with the fixation on taking down Biden as opposition to Trump in this thread it sure seems like it. Coddling Donald like he always has been.

I'll be stuck with the status quo no matter what I do: Either Biden or Trump will win, that's the status quo and it sucks. I don't care for anybody else votes for, unless you're voting for Trump then I probably won't get along with you. If you think my voting for Hawkins is a big deal, then I'm sorry for you, it's not. It's just a vote on behalf of somebody who's tired of the same blue vs. red bullshit that just beats the rest of us down regardless of who wins.

Both men are shit, so why would I vote for shit when I can just understand that the system has already beaten me either way and vote for a guy who at least genuinely seems to be a great guy?

3rd partiers are irrelevant jokes on the federal level. State and local? Have at it.

[Qabea]

I'll be stuck with the status quo no matter what I do: Either Biden or Trump will win, that's the status quo and it sucks. I don't care for anybody else votes for, unless you're voting for Trump then I probably won't get along with you. If you think my voting for Hawkins is a big deal, then I'm sorry for you, it's not. It's just a vote on behalf of somebody who's tired of the same blue vs. red bullshit that just beats the rest of us down regardless of who wins.

Both men are shit, so why would I vote for shit when I can just understand that the system has already beaten me either way and vote for a guy who at least genuinely seems to be a great guy?

3rd partiers are irrelevant jokes on the federal level. State and local? Have at it.

The stigma surrounding 3rd parties that tells voters that your voice won't be heard if they don't vote for the blue party or red party is the reason smaller parties do poorly. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Kannap]

I'll be stuck with the status quo no matter what I do: Either Biden or Trump will win, that's the status quo and it sucks. I don't care for anybody else votes for, unless you're voting for Trump then I probably won't get along with you. If you think my voting for Hawkins is a big deal, then I'm sorry for you, it's not. It's just a vote on behalf of somebody who's tired of the same blue vs. red bullshit that just beats the rest of us down regardless of who wins.

Both men are shit, so why would I vote for shit when I can just understand that the system has already beaten me either way and vote for a guy who at least genuinely seems to be a great guy?

3rd partiers are irrelevant jokes on the federal level. State and local? Have at it.

Hey, at least I'll be an irrelevant joke who's happy with who he voted for.

[Valrifell]

I'll be stuck with the status quo no matter what I do: Either Biden or Trump will win, that's the status quo and it sucks. I don't care for anybody else votes for, unless you're voting for Trump then I probably won't get along with you. If you think my voting for Hawkins is a big deal, then I'm sorry for you, it's not. It's just a vote on behalf of somebody who's tired of the same blue vs. red bullshit that just beats the rest of us down regardless of who wins.

Both men are shit, so why would I vote for shit when I can just understand that the system has already beaten me either way and vote for a guy who at least genuinely seems to be a great guy?

3rd partiers are irrelevant jokes on the federal level. State and local? Have at it.

That's a self-fulfilling mindset, of course, and is only true insofar as a misunderstanding of the crux of their existence.

Third party candidates want to have their platform taken up by a larger party, in a similar way how 99% of tech startups want to be bought out eventually. The goal is to show that there's a significant market for these ideas and that ignoring it would be dismissing a significant part of the electorate.

The goal isn't for the candidate to win, it's to prove that their ideas have a certain staying power and should be adopted for the benefit of the two larger parties.

[Czechostan]

Even in a functioning democracy, voting once every four years should be a small part of political involvement, not the totality of it. Get involved with political causes and organizations, try to make a difference in the world. Then you see how comparatively insignificant which color you voted for in November is.

This is truly pessimistic; but my knocking doors doesn't come close to the influx of money into politics from corporations. If you think politics comes down to grassroots movements, you've never heard of Citizen's United.

Oh no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Money has a powerful influence, but it's on the citizenry to fight back.

[Qabea]

This is truly pessimistic; but my knocking doors doesn't come close to the influx of money into politics from corporations. If you think politics comes down to grassroots movements, you've never heard of Citizen's United.

Oh no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Money has a powerful influence, but it's on the citizenry to fight back.

But I still don't think we can. It's like individual action to combat climate change; you and a bunch of people may be participating in it, but it barely mends the harms the real contributors to climate change—polluting corporations—are doing to the planet.

I agree that people should go out and participate in grassroots movements, but at the end of the day I just don't think it will be enough.

[Gormwood]

3rd partiers are irrelevant jokes on the federal level. State and local? Have at it.

That's a self-fulfilling mindset, of course, and is only true insofar as a misunderstanding of the crux of their existence.

Third party candidates want to have their platform taken up by a larger party, in a similar way how 99% of tech startups want to be bought out eventually. The goal is to show that there's a significant market for these ideas and that ignoring it would be dismissing a significant part of the electorate.

The goal isn't for the candidate to win, it's to prove that their ideas have a certain staying power and should be adopted for the benefit of the two larger parties.

So most if not all the 3rd parties are just WeWorksing their unsuspecting devotee base.

[Czechostan]

Oh no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Money has a powerful influence, but it's on the citizenry to fight back.

But I still don't think we can. It's like individual action to combat climate change; you and a bunch of people may be participating in it, but it barely mends the harms the real contributors to climate change—polluting corporations—are doing to the planet.

I agree that people should go out and participate in grassroots movements, but at the end of the day I just don't think it will be enough.

Well, I think there's a difference between individual action and collective action, and even then, some types of collective action are more effective than others.

I don't think grassroots movements are the soul solution either, I think a diversity of tactics need to be used.

[Rojava Free State]

https://youtu.be/W5ZIXVGaTuA

*ring ring ring ring ring* Uh oh retard alert! RETARD ALERT!

[The Huskar Social Union]

https://youtu.be/W5ZIXVGaTuA

*ring ring ring ring ring* Uh oh retard alert! RETARD ALERT!

Joe Biden is a back to normal hologram, for the left – a fake shell who’s supposed to represent normalcy, but it's really the far left who does the talking for him. We’ll also dive into all the leftist governors who are responsible for their states’ terrible pandemic responses – including Andrew Cuomo and Gretchen Whitmer. Spencer Klavan also joins the show to talk his new podcast and more!

Shoot me.


Please, no i mean it genuinely, shoot me.

[Valrifell]

That's a self-fulfilling mindset, of course, and is only true insofar as a misunderstanding of the crux of their existence.

Third party candidates want to have their platform taken up by a larger party, in a similar way how 99% of tech startups want to be bought out eventually. The goal is to show that there's a significant market for these ideas and that ignoring it would be dismissing a significant part of the electorate.

The goal isn't for the candidate to win, it's to prove that their ideas have a certain staying power and should be adopted for the benefit of the two larger parties.

So most if not all the 3rd parties are just WeWorksing their unsuspecting devotee base.

They aren't unsuspecting. Most third party voters like their ideas better and would want to see them more, and they get that in the end.

[The Black Forrest]

https://youtu.be/W5ZIXVGaTuA

*ring ring ring ring ring* Uh oh retard alert! RETARD ALERT!

Heh. One comment on that video sums it.

"Bernie Sanders is controlling Joe Biden" is slang for "I don't understand politics".

[Mirjt]

I suppose if the Green party ceased to exist or didn't run a candidate, I'd vote for Biden... Even though I'd still find his policies seriously lacking

I'm a bit bothered by how socialists have glommed onto Green parties around the world. I'm left of center myself, also want climate change action and the broader conservationist agenda, but it bothers me that by being quite far left and conservationist at the same time, Green parties have effectively given up half of each. Particularly conservation: I think there's enormous reserves of goodwill for the planet on the Right which not only aren't being represented, they're actually being alienated by the anti-capitalism, anti-farming and anti-industry Green agenda.

But I understand. The US electoral system doesn't give you the luxury of two small parties (Socialist Greens and Centrist Greens) which could stand on their own merits and someday (one or both) be part of a ruling coalition. They're a bad fit imo, but looking around neither Socialist Greens nor Centrist Greens have any other parties to merge with and get to critical mass.

A disclaimer: I vote Green. Not always, but quite often, my first vote is Green. But they're the Australian Greens. Having had a share of power (mostly in upper houses) some of the anti-gravity leftism has worn off. Even so I wouldn't want them as a government in their own right, they're just too left for me. Why would I vote for them? Because I want them as junior partners in coalition with Labour (who I also vote for). In coalition with Labour they pull government slightly left and quite a lot for the environment, it works well imo.

I guess I'm saying you shouldn't be ashamed to vote Green, and you don't have to stand by every policy they have. If the Greens ever do get a share of power, it will begin as a minor share and their major partner will almost certainly be the Democrats. Such a government would be left of a Democratic government, and also more Green. Policies you may find embarrassing might even be gone from the platform by then, and in any case won't get to a vote. Parties in coalition know what's not worth bringing up.

I just looked at their page. Dear me it's vague, but there's nothing really bad there. I guess they'll firm up the platform when they have a candidate. Who's your preferred candidate?

The Environment was always a top issue for me, even before I got into politics. When I got into politics economic issues became just as important to me as the economy, I however did not have the vocabulary and conceptual framework to describe my economic position (which at the time was Social Democracy, but now is Socialism, though I am still sympathetic to Social Democracy), I did not have that framework because my school failed to give it to me despite mandating everyone take civics and despite the fact I took AP Government and Politics (both US and World/Comparative) - my school just keep talking about how communism is a good idea in theory but never works and capitalism is freedom. Now my top issues are (a) electoral reforms, (b) the environment, (c) health, (d) economy - especially the social safety net (Social Security, Universal Basic Service, Job Guarantee, Universal Basic Income, etc...) and democratizing the economy, (e) penal abolition, (f) open borders, (g) and protecting the rights of marginalized people (racial and ethnic minorities, disabled, LGBTQIA+, women, prisoners, religious minorities, non-citizens, etc...).

[-Astoria]

https://youtu.be/W5ZIXVGaTuA

*ring ring ring ring ring* Uh oh retard alert! RETARD ALERT!

*smashes hand through face*

[Mirjt]

That's right, corporations and big money interests in the pockets of politicians hold all the power. That's not going to change whether Biden or Trump gets elected, that's not going to change whether Congress is Democrat or Republican. For some reason I'm still playing the game though, because if you don't have hope or optimism, then what's the point? So while I can't vote for Biden or Trump because I hate them both and they're shitty people who do and say shitty things, I'll vote Green for the presidency and Democrat down-ballot.

Even in a functioning democracy, voting once every four years should be a small part of political involvement, not the totality of it. Get involved with political causes and organizations, try to make a difference in the world. Then you see how comparatively insignificant which color you voted for in November is.

I agree. Democracy is rule by the people, not rule by the ballot box. Just because someone got elected by the ballot box does not mean they get the power to do whatever they want. Democracy involved electing according to what the people want (which single-member districts and ranked choice voting and current US campaign finance law all fail to do). Democracy also involves putting pressure on elected and appointed officials through protests, strikes, marches, petitions, referendum, recalls, civil disobedience, and all other kinds of direct action. Democracy also involves protecting minority rights, afterall the minority is part of the people too, it is not a democracy if they don't have their say. Democracy is not reserved just to the public sphere, but should also be fought for in the workplace and the economy at large. Democracy involves constantly fighting for your positions and trying to use what political leverage you have to get concessions out of those elected and appointed. Democracy is not just voting every 4 years, it is a continuous and deeply involved process and method of living.

[US-SSR]

Let's be honest, Trump would not be in power right know if the Democrats nominated someone more popular than Hilary Clinton, but the DNC and the inept "moderates" had to get what they wanted. Now we have Biden, who is pretty much Hilary with a penis. If he loses this election, the Democrats should do some introspection, rather than blame and shame everyone else. Their strategy is a losing one. They thought that we would have no choice but to vote for their shitty candidate because the other side has a monster; that did not work in 2016, and it certainly ain't going to work on me in 2020.

Let's be honest, Trump would not be in power right now if Comey had not needlessly reopened the BUTTER EMAILS!!!! nonissue two weeks before Election Day; if he, or anyone, had publicized the collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia before Election Day; if the Electoral College had done its job and prevented a narcissistic buffoon backed by a foreign power from occupying the White House; or if there were no Electoral College at all and the individual who won 3 million more votes also won the office she was running for.