What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Rojava Free State]

I'd vote for Biden if he were a Libertarian...

When you say libertarian, do you mean the right-wing libertarianism that is associated with the word in the U.S. (right-wing libertarians are mostly just anarcho-capitalists and night-watcher minarchists)? or do you mean libertarian socialism? or do you mean the 2-D political compass's vision of libertarianism?

If Biden was a left wing liberterian who supported an end to the Military Industrial Complex, closing private prisons, Medicare for all, and legalizing marijuana nationwide, I would vote for him.

Shit I would even be more likely to vote for him if he was a right wing liberterian, because while I wouldnt agree with most of his policies, at least he and I would both be against a police state. But he is neither left wing nor liberterian, and likely will continue the slow transformation of America into a PRC style hellhole, where workers have no rights, corporations have too many rights and the government machine is constantly watching you.

[Mirjt]

When you say libertarian, do you mean the right-wing libertarianism that is associated with the word in the U.S. (right-wing libertarians are mostly just anarcho-capitalists and night-watcher minarchists)? or do you mean libertarian socialism? or do you mean the 2-D political compass's vision of libertarianism?

If Biden was a left wing liberterian who supported an end to the Military Industrial Complex, closing private prisons, Medicare for all, and legalizing marijuana nationwide, I would vote for him.

Shit I would even be more likely to vote for him if he was a right wing liberterian, because while I wouldnt agree with most of his policies, at least he and I would both be against a police state. But he is neither left wing nor liberterian, and likely will continue the slow transformation of America into a PRC style hellhole, where workers have no rights, corporations have too many rights and the government machine is constantly watching you.

I agree with your assessment of Joe Biden.

In terms of the left-libertarian policies you mentioned would incline you to consider voting for Joe Biden, I personally would go further. I would abolish the standing military entirely (only allowing a standing military during war time defined as when Congress has formally declared war) and replace the standing military with a purely reserve military; I would not just close private prisons, I would want complete penal abolitionism (including the abolishing of prisons and police); I would not just legalize marijuana nationwide, I would legalize or decriminalize almost all drugs (though I would still tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and other drugs), and provide safe injection sites and drug rehabilitation programs.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Can't vote beacuse not an American but I strongly support America voting someone who doesn't:

Blame video games for mass shootings

Lie about reducing the US debt

Call COVID-19 a hoax

Suggest injecting disinfectants as a way to ""cure"" COVID-19 including but not limited to bleach as it was mentioned by name

Run away from respecting fallen US solders beacuse "its raining"

Lie about Mexico paying for a wall

Wanting to build a useless wall

Remove America from the Paris accords

Biden does infact meet the above requirements.

[Rojava Free State]

Can't vote beacuse not an American but I strongly support America voting someone who doesn't:

Blame video games for mass shootings

Lie about reducing the US debt

Call COVID-19 a hoax

Suggest injecting disinfectants as a way to ""cure"" COVID-19 including but not limited to bleach as it was mentioned by name

Run away from respecting fallen US solders beacuse "its raining"

Lie about Mexico paying for a wall

Wanting to build a useless wall

Remove America from the Paris accords

Biden does infact meet the above requirements.

Trump has lowered the bar if biden is considered a good alternative

[The Black Forrest]

Can't vote beacuse not an American but I strongly support America voting someone who doesn't:

Blame video games for mass shootings

Lie about reducing the US debt

Call COVID-19 a hoax

Suggest injecting disinfectants as a way to ""cure"" COVID-19 including but not limited to bleach as it was mentioned by name

Run away from respecting fallen US solders beacuse "its raining"

Lie about Mexico paying for a wall

Wanting to build a useless wall

Remove America from the Paris accords

Biden does infact meet the above requirements.

Trump has lowered the bar if biden is considered a good alternative

Indeed. You will find many people voting simply to get rid of trump. Hell I would support Bernie if he was the nomination.

[Rojava Free State]

Trump has lowered the bar if biden is considered a good alternative

Indeed. You will find many people voting simply to get rid of trump. Hell I would support Bernie if he was the nomination.

I just don't even know anymore. Trump has gotten so crazy that my response involves stuttering sounds and flailing my hands pointing at him trying to make sense of what even is happening.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Can't vote beacuse not an American but I strongly support America voting someone who doesn't:

Blame video games for mass shootings

Lie about reducing the US debt

Call COVID-19 a hoax

Suggest injecting disinfectants as a way to ""cure"" COVID-19 including but not limited to bleach as it was mentioned by name

Run away from respecting fallen US solders beacuse "its raining"

Lie about Mexico paying for a wall

Wanting to build a useless wall

Remove America from the Paris accords

Biden does infact meet the above requirements.

Trump has lowered the bar if biden is considered a good alternative

That is one thing Trump is good at.

He is the best president at lowering bars to make just about anyone else look fantastic in comparison to him.

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Can't vote beacuse not an American but I strongly support America voting someone who doesn't:

Blame video games for mass shootings

Lie about reducing the US debt

Call COVID-19 a hoax

Suggest injecting disinfectants as a way to ""cure"" COVID-19 including but not limited to bleach as it was mentioned by name

Run away from respecting fallen US solders beacuse "its raining"

Lie about Mexico paying for a wall

Wanting to build a useless wall

Remove America from the Paris accords

Biden does infact meet the above requirements.

Trump has lowered the bar if biden is considered a good alternative

Trump has lowered the bar so much that liberals can't help but praise George W. Bush, a war criminal, by comparison. And any Republican who denounces Trump becomes the subject of instant adulation.

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Trump has lowered the bar if biden is considered a good alternative

That is one thing Trump is good at.

He is the best president at lowering bars to make just about anyone else look fantastic in comparison to him.

It's time to stop falling into that trap. It's time to say that just because Trump is a dumpster fire doesn't mean run of the mill conservatives and neoliberals are decent.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

That is one thing Trump is good at.

He is the best president at lowering bars to make just about anyone else look fantastic in comparison to him.

It's time to stop falling into that trap. It's time to say that just because Trump is a dumpster fire doesn't mean run of the mill conservatives and neoliberals are decent.

Yeah but at this point I have no real hope for that happening. We where close at getting Bernie in as the Dem nominee. Still didn't happen and all we are left with is this basic run of the mill candidate that will be better and look better then the Trump administration beacuse basic competency.

Also beacuse there isn't a large section of supporters for Biden that think 5G towers cause COVID-19 or want to "Impeach Bill Gates".

[West Leas Oros 2]

So for all of you “lesser of two evils” people. If Hitler was running against an alien from space bent on destroying humanity, would you vote for Hitler? The long term effects of voting for the lesser of two evils is that eventually you get even shittier candidates. How long before we reach rock bottom?

[West Leas Oros 2]

It's time to stop falling into that trap. It's time to say that just because Trump is a dumpster fire doesn't mean run of the mill conservatives and neoliberals are decent.

Yeah but at this point I have no real hope for that happening. We where close at getting Bernie in as the Dem nominee. Still didn't happen and all we are left with is this basic run of the mill candidate that will be better and look better then the Trump administration beacuse basic competency.

Also beacuse there isn't a large section of supporters for Biden that think 5G towers cause COVID-19 or want to "Impeach Bill Gates".

I’d rather not legitimize the neoliberal establishment by rolling over and accepting their anointed figurehead. A vote for Biden is a vote for the status quo. Even if Trump is that terrible, legitimizing the status quo won’t make future reform easier, quite the opposite in fact.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yeah but at this point I have no real hope for that happening. We where close at getting Bernie in as the Dem nominee. Still didn't happen and all we are left with is this basic run of the mill candidate that will be better and look better then the Trump administration beacuse basic competency.

Also beacuse there isn't a large section of supporters for Biden that think 5G towers cause COVID-19 or want to "Impeach Bill Gates".

I’d rather not legitimize the neoliberal establishment by rolling over and accepting their anointed figurehead. A vote for Biden is a vote for the status quo. Even if Trump is that terrible, legitimizing the status quo won’t make future reform easier, quite the opposite in fact.

At least the status quo doesn't think that vaccines are evil and want to reopen businesses beacuse getting a haircut and going golfing is ""Essential"".

Oh and they wouldn't say inject disinfectants such as bleach to try and see if that """cures""" it.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I’d rather not legitimize the neoliberal establishment by rolling over and accepting their anointed figurehead. A vote for Biden is a vote for the status quo. Even if Trump is that terrible, legitimizing the status quo won’t make future reform easier, quite the opposite in fact.

At least the status quo doesn't think that vaccines are evil and want to reopen businesses beacuse getting a haircut and going golfing is ""Essential"".

But it does stand for exploitation of workers, the stifling of the democratic process, imperialistic wars, opposition to labor rights, institutional racism, the list continues. The neoliberal establishment got us in this mess. They won’t get us out of it.

[Kargintina the Third]

Nothing. Trump 2020

[West Leas Oros 2]

Nothing. Trump 2020

Revolution 2020.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Can Biden's VP pick change your vote? I mean, look at him. Right now, he already looks like the flower in my balcony that my dad always forgot to water, while we already seen what the presidency did to Obama. A decent VP running the show, probably for the later half of the term, might be a far better alternative than Trump. Strongest possible nominees includes Klobuchar, Warren, and Harris, though there are some more names.

Though based on my own country's personal experience, as time passes, power will actually be handed (or taken?) not directly to the VP, but shared by a group of powerful cabinet members backed by different elite groups. We might see the rise of 'superministers' running the US, maybe such as Jamie Dimon (JP Morgan CEO) based on cabinet predictions such as this.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

At least the status quo doesn't think that vaccines are evil and want to reopen businesses beacuse getting a haircut and going golfing is ""Essential"".

But it does stand for exploitation of workers, the stifling of the democratic process, imperialistic wars, opposition to labor rights, institutional racism, the list continues. The neoliberal establishment got us in this mess. They won’t get us out of it.

Yeah and that shit is bad. Anti intellectualism from Trump is worse.

Nothing. Trump 2020

4 more years of deficit spending and lying about it baby!

More credit to the Protesters who think Bill Gates is a Nazi!

If your a US solder and you died in WW1 he won't be coming to visit you beacuse rain!

Fuck videogames, they make our kids mass shooters! Or at least that is what his NRA paymasters tell him.

Go back to work, it's just the flu! Only 44k people dead based on this slow updated list from the CDC! Yeah the real number is 77k but who cares go back to work make line go green sacrifice grandma to the stonk machine!


SJW BAD is all what the cool kids say. Ignore any decent as Orange man bad and unironically say Orangeman Good!

[Mirjt]

Can Biden's VP pick change your vote? I mean, look at him. Right now, he already looks like the flower in my balcony that my dad always forgot to water, while we already seen what the presidency did to Obama. A decent VP running the show, probably for the later half of the term, might be a far better alternative than Trump. Strongest possible nominees includes Klobuchar, Warren, and Harris, though there are some more names.

Though based on my own country's personal experience, as time passes, power will actually be handed (or taken?) not directly to the VP, but shared by a group of powerful cabinet members backed by different elite groups. We might see the rise of 'superministers' running the US, maybe such as Jamie Dimon (JP Morgan CEO) based on cabinet predictions such as this.

If Biden is trying to win my vote (I consider myself a general leftist, and I consider Bernie Sanders a moderate at best), then the smallest of concessions he can make is a decent Vice President. While I may be able to accept Elizabeth Warren (even though I am not confident in her leadership or her policies outside of financial regulation and tangential topics), I will not accept the unapologetic capitalist Klobuchar, or the Prison Industrial Complex agent Harris. Vice President picks I like include Bernie Sanders, Brian Moore, Ayanna Pressley, Cornel West, and many others, but I doubt any of them would take the job and give any leftist legitimacy to Biden's campaign and possible administration.

[Elwher]

I heard a report that he might consider a Republican Vice President. While I doubt it would happen, I think the perfect choice if he did would be Condoleezza Rice. Checks all the boxes, female, black, experienced. I might actually consider voting for that ticket.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I heard a report that he might consider a Republican Vice President. While I doubt it would happen, I think the perfect choice if he did would be Condoleezza Rice. Checks all the boxes, female, black, experienced. I might actually consider voting for that ticket.

That could work. Balance.

[Bobabay]

I heard a report that he might consider a Republican Vice President. While I doubt it would happen, I think the perfect choice if he did would be Condoleezza Rice. Checks all the boxes, female, black, experienced. I might actually consider voting for that ticket.

That could work. Balance.

That isn’t much of an olive branch to the lefter wing of the party though.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

That could work. Balance.

That isn’t much of an olive branch to the lefter wing of the party though.

It is an olive branch to center right Republicans tho.

It shows the dems are not some cartoony character of "da ebil sjws" but as a party of reasonable people you can talk to and have the best interests of the people of the USA at heart.

They want to help heal the US from the Trump years useing ideas from both right and the left.

[Nazeroth]

That isn’t much of an olive branch to the lefter wing of the party though.

It is an olive branch to center right Republicans tho.

It shows the dems are not some cartoony character of "da ebil sjws" but as a party of reasonable people you can talk to and have the best interests of the people of the USA at heart.

They want to help heal the US from the Trump years useing ideas from both right and the left.

Sure ill take national healthcare if gun control is repealled and i can carry everywhere

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It is an olive branch to center right Republicans tho.

It shows the dems are not some cartoony character of "da ebil sjws" but as a party of reasonable people you can talk to and have the best interests of the people of the USA at heart.

They want to help heal the US from the Trump years useing ideas from both right and the left.

Sure ill take national healthcare if gun control is repealled and i can carry everywhere

An entire repeal of all gun control? No. Carry everywhere and less restrictions on what guns you can buy I can do.