What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[The Black Forrest]

Not much actually.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Can I just say that I don't like Bernie. But I f***ing hate they way the democratic party have screwed him over time and time again. I think America right now needs centrists, or at least as close as you can get, in power. We also need the news companies to stop inciting hatred amongst the populace, but I really don't see either thing happening at this point.

Trumpism has moved the Overton Window to the right. American centrists are increasingly indistinguishable from milquetoast conservatives like Mitt Romney.

American centrists always were indistinguishable from milquetoast conservatives.

[Heloin]

Just a reminder, this discussion was meant to be directed towards leftists in the United States whom are currently not planning to vote for Biden, and to find what it would take for Biden to win over leftists (what are our demands as leftists), if it is even possible for Biden to win over leftists in the first place.

Edit: I am open to non-leftists, or those outside the U.S. being a part of this conversation if they have something constructive to add to this conversation.

He'll get the leftist vote come November because Trump is still seen as a greater threat. If he wins then the toxic system the parties work under will continue. If he loses then the establishment and liberal democrats who caused the whole mess will blame the left for the lose.

[Gormwood]

id rather die than vote democrat.. feels like an insult...

Your refusal to vote Democrat means little if you vote Republican. You get alot of the same shit along with other ridiculous side policies like "abortion is always evil, and contraception is bad too."

And an imbecilic pandemic response.

[Krasny-Volny]

Well, I won’t say I’m a one issue voter, but I’m a pretty big hunter and if Biden gets elected my primary concern is his stance on firearms.

He can start by not threatening to make all subjectively classified “assault weapons” NFA weapons subject to severe ATF restrictions and banning the sale of new ones. For those of us who possess semi automatic firearms for varmint control, predator/hog hunting, and the like, that’s a big worry. He needs to also back down from banning all online sales of guns and ammunition. Some of my prime hunting ammo and less common calibers I can only find online, especially when the local gun stores get cleaned out during panic buys (like during the current pandemic). It will be pretty difficult if I can’t do that anymore.

[Krasny-Volny]

id rather die than vote democrat.. feels like an insult...

You a yellow dog Republican?

[Liriena]

Commitment against political corruption.

Reform campaign finance laws.
Abolish the electoral college.
End gerrymandering.

If you end the electoral college the USA will transition into effectively a one party leftist state due to california and new york along with major city's.

Are you saying that right-wingers are incapable of winning over the majority of voters?

[The Emerald Legion]

If he were to challenge Trump to Holmgang and win.

[Major-Tom]

The alternative. If it was a Romney, a McCain, some sort of milquetoast establishment Republican running against Biden, I'd be able to rest easy voting third party.

But living in a swing state, I feel I'd be throwing my vote away if I voted for Hawkins or someone like that. I can't fathom what another four years of Trump looks like, I genuinely have grown to seriously dislike Biden and seriously distrust him, but I still have to opt for him over Trump.

If the brain trust over at the DNC had any executive functioning skills between them, they would've quietly told Biden not to run sometime around the midterms. It could've been Pete, Bernie, Warren, Klobuchar even, who won the primaries and many people such as myself would have an easier time stomaching them. Like, from a progressive's point of view, I was no fan of the other moderates in the primary race, but I would've been able to vote for them in November without feeling sick.

[The Opossum]

He must care about the American people and be a decent human being.

[Major-Tom]

If you end the electoral college the USA will transition into effectively a one party leftist state due to california and new york along with major city's.

Are you saying that right-wingers are incapable of winning over the majority of voters?

Remember, land is more valuable than people because...it, like, all that red looks bigger on a map or something.

[The Emerald Legion]

If you end the electoral college the USA will transition into effectively a one party leftist state due to california and new york along with major city's.

Are you saying that right-wingers are incapable of winning over the majority of voters?

It's more that cities are rotten and inherently corrupt the Democratic process with their own unsustainability.

[New Bremerton]

Officially declare an all-out Cold War with China, and be more belligerent and outspoken than Trump currently is. Sever all diplomatic, economic, trade and cultural ties with the PRC and declare it the Evil Empire that it is. Impose crippling economic sanctions to break the Chinese economy and foment a domestic uprising against the CCP. Remember to compel the Democrats to fall in line with a three-line congressional whip or be expelled from the party. This is the most important requirement. China has fucked with the whole world for far too long. It is time the CCP be made to pay for its unforgivable crimes against humanity. If Joe Biden does this, I will consider supporting him over Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Maintain a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific. Preside over the expansion of NATO into NAIPTO (North Atlantic and Indo-Pacific Treaty Organization) to include Australia, Japan, India, and other allies in a bid to contain Chinese neocolonial aggression. Encircle the fuck out of the PRC and make the Chinese shit their pants. Stand with Hong Kong, Taiwan and other embattled neighbors. Liberate Hong Kong NOW! I want my hometown back.

Investigate China for its failure to contain the coronavirus pandemic. Sue the living daylight out of the CCP and demand reparations.

Continue to hold the WHO to account for its inability or unwillingness to adequately investigate China's role in the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. Call for the resignation of Tedros, Aylward, and other corrupt, top-level officials and lobby for a more impartial, incorruptible replacement to the post of Director-General as some European countries such as Sweden are doing. Only then should funding for the WHO be restored.

Reject the politics of hatred and identity politics on both the intersectional far-left and the white identitarian, incel, far-right, and focus on national unity. Repudiate TYT, Cenk Uygur, Ilhan Omar, Linda Sarsour, Rashida Tlaib, radical feminists, Women's March, MeToo, Black Lives Matter, tankies, antisemites, "anti-Zionists", Students for "Justice" for Palestine, Antifa, Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, Black Hebrew Israelites, etc. Do the same for far-right extremists such as David Duke, the KKK, Richard Spencer, Gavin McInnes, Rebel Media, Proud Boys, etc. Purge the Democratic Party of far-left extremists. This is the second most important requirement.

Pledge to address male suicide, male rape in prisons, domestic violence against men and boys, the anti-male bias in divorce proceedings, and other men's issues. Repudiate the Duluth model as discredited junk science and misandrist misinformation. Hold feminists accountable for the gradual erosion of due process and presumption of innocence. Wholeheartedly push back against their vindictive, emotionally manipulative, psychologically gaslighting, anti-male agenda.

Put an end to gender quotas and adopt an officially neutral stance on encouraging women and girls to work in traditionally male-dominated industries. There is nothing wrong with the latter but everything wrong with the former.

End race-based affirmative action on college campuses, especially against Asian-Americans. Everyone must be treated equally.

Put an end to this talk of "reparations" for African-Americans.

Declare radical Islam to be incompatible with liberal, Western, and American values, and a threat to the American way of life. Bar anyone who holds views incompatible with the liberal, democratic values of the United States from applying to become U.S. citizens.

Make English an official language of the United States. Require all prospective applicants for U.S. citizenship to master the language.

Deport all illegal immigrants. Uphold the rule of law. Illegals should not be allowed to undermine the hard work of the millions of legal immigrants who enter the United States, respect local customs, and obey the law to the letter.

Denounce political correctness in all its forms and let those who espouse woke PC ideology and display zero gratitude to their country of birth know that they can always emigrate for greener pastures.

Issue a Stay-At-Home executive order and adopt South Korea's tried and tested methods to tackle the coronavirus and save lives. Even a draconian Malaysian-style lockdown, where anyone caught violating the lockdown is arrested and charged on the spot with a maximum two-year jail sentence, is better than nothing. The sooner the United States can recover from the pandemic, the sooner it can hold China accountable for its wanton criminal negligence, incompetence, and refusal to take any responsibility whatsoever for its failure to contain the Wuhan coronavirus. That's if the pandemic hasn't run its course by November.

Gradually implement universal healthcare at the local level starting with a handful of major, Democrat-voting cities, with only residents of areas covered by the pilot scheme required to pay the necessary taxes. If successful politically and in practice, begin rolling it out to the suburbs, and finally, the rest of the country. Immunize the United States against future pandemics.

Left-wing, social democratic, economic policies such as the above should be phased in gradually and not implemented overnight. Such policies should aim to uplift the poor and economically disenfranchised regardless of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc, etc. No woke, PC, affirmative action, please.

Adopt Andrew Yang's Freedom Dividend and implement a U.S.$1000/month Universal Basic Income for all U.S. citizens.

Embrace thorium nuclear power as a solution to climate change. Rejoin the 2016 Paris Agreement on Climate Change.

Stand with Israel like Trump has done, more than any other U.S. president in recent history. Kudos to him.

Sever all ties with Saudi Arabia, impose sanctions, and repudiate the genocidal War on Yemen, but maintain Trump's current policy of hostility toward Iran. Put an end to the Saudi-sponsored export of Wahhabism/Salafism of the Zakir Naik sort. This toxic, theocratic ideology is poisoning the Malaysian well where I live.

Mend trade relations with Europe, Japan and other reliable, democratic allies and lift all trade tariffs against them, but continue to maintain trade tariffs against China.

Transition the United States from a presidential democracy to a Westminster-style parliamentary democracy with Irish-style, ranked-choice, proportional representation. Remember to resign as President and stand as Prime Minister. The post of POTUS will be reduced to a ceremonial role with limited reserve powers similar to that of a constitutional monarch, such as Queen Elizabeth II. Be sure to negotiate a coalition/confidence-and-supply arrangement with smaller parties, because your (Joe Biden's) party alone likely won't wield a simple majority in the House of Representatives due to the nature of proportional representation giving broader representation to a wider array of more specific, public interests, and you (JB) need that House majority in order to form a government and approve budgets, including the President's Speech, in the first place.

Enact judicial reforms. The power to nominate Supreme Court Justices should fall to an independent commission answerable only to the Senate to avoid any further politicization of the judiciary. Justices must be nominated by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators. The President shall play no such role.

In summary, turn the United States into a carbon copy of New Bremerton, in other words.

Finally, be as abrasive and outspoken as Trump. Post offensive shit on Twitter to rile up the far-right, the far-left and the CCP. Be a source of good laughs and entertainment like Trump is. Impress me and I will lend my support for you (Joe Biden).

CORRECTION: Justices nominated by the Independent Commission must be approved, not nominated, by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators.

This post is so scummy LMAO. Sure, starve chinese people to death due to the CCP's mishandling of Coronavirus. Acting as if TYT and Ilhan Omar, as if they've done anything wrong, as vital threats the U.S. needs to condemn is ridiculous. You right-wing folks live in a bubble terrified of ideological boogeymen.

I'm not talking about starving Chinese people to death. Sanctions against Iran haven't resulted in starvation, and the claim that 1 million Iraqis starved to death as a direct result of sanctions has since been debunked as propaganda originating from the regime of the late Saddam Hussein. I never said TYT, Ilhan Omar et al are a threat to U.S. national security, merely that they are far-left extremists whom Joe Biden must absolutely repudiate if he wants to earn my support. Finally, I'm not right-wing or conservative in any way. I'm liberal. Just not woke or left-wing.

[New Bremerton]

Have him step down and run Bloomberg in his place

If it's Bloomberg vs Trump, I'm definitely going with Trump to keep the former out of office. Bloomberg is a corporate, pro-CCP sellout. With Biden vs Trump, the stakes aren't that high and I can see myself voting for either of the two main candidates, a third-party candidate such as Vermin Supreme, or no one at all.

To do that, I would have to immigrate to the United States and apply for U.S. citizenship.

[Kowani]

If you end the electoral college the USA will transition into effectively a one party leftist state due to california and new york along with major city's.

Are you saying that right-wingers are incapable of winning over the majority of voters?

In their current form, yes.

[Rojava Free State]

Trumpism has moved the Overton Window to the right. American centrists are increasingly indistinguishable from milquetoast conservatives like Mitt Romney.

American centrists always were indistinguishable from milquetoast conservatives.

Centrism, the ideology of human rights atrocities and corporate greed under a nice guy face.

[Rojava Free State]

Are you saying that right-wingers are incapable of winning over the majority of voters?

In their current form, yes.

Normal conservatives are too on the side of big business and religious nuts.

And the alt right is just too damn racist.

[Rojava Free State]

Have him step down and run Bloomberg in his place

If it's Bloomberg vs Trump, I'm definitely going with Trump to keep the former out of office. Bloomberg is a corporate, pro-CCP sellout. With Biden vs Trump, the stakes aren't that high and I can see myself voting for either of the two main candidates, a third-party candidate such as Vermin Supreme, or no one at all.

To do that, I would have to immigrate to the United States and apply for U.S. citizenship.

Hey everyone, what's the difference between Bloomberg America and hell?

I don't know. The difference between a hispanic and a latino.

[Rojava Free State]

He must care about the American people and be a decent human being.

The thousands of Libyan and Iraqi graves beg to differ.

[Liriena]

Are you saying that right-wingers are incapable of winning over the majority of voters?

It's more that cities are rotten and inherently corrupt the Democratic process with their own unsustainability.

I'm going to take that as a "yes but let me try to rationalize it so I don't look like another elitist misanthrope".

[Kowani]

If it's Bloomberg vs Trump, I'm definitely going with Trump to keep the former out of office. Bloomberg is a corporate, pro-CCP sellout. With Biden vs Trump, the stakes aren't that high and I can see myself voting for either of the two main candidates, a third-party candidate such as Vermin Supreme, or no one at all.

To do that, I would have to immigrate to the United States and apply for U.S. citizenship.

Hey everyone, what's the difference between Bloomberg America and hell?

I don't know. The difference between a hispanic and a latino.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Well first off, Biden would need to be possessed by the ghost of Vladimir Lenin, then he would have to promise to abolish property and make everyone share the same toothbrush. Next, he would have to give everyone a free pony and turn the Democratic Party into the Bolshevik Party. Basically, I’m some spoopy radical who for some reason refuses to vote for the reasonable moderate neoliberal who promises to uphold the status quo and make no meaningful changes. /s

[Liriena]

Are you saying that right-wingers are incapable of winning over the majority of voters?

Remember, land is more valuable than people because...it, like, all that red looks bigger on a map or something.

I do so adore the "I don't want popular vote because city people bad" logic. It's a beautifully accidental admission that your brain is just drowning in the pre-modern ideology juice that (correctly) treated medieval boroughs and the rising bourgeoise that inhabited them as a threat to the continuity of feudal society.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Commitment against political corruption.

Reform campaign finance laws.
Abolish the electoral college.
End gerrymandering.

If you end the electoral college the USA will transition into effectively a one party leftist state due to california and new york along with major city's.

This grinds my gears, but California and New York are Liberal, not Leftist. If they ain’t seizing the means of production, that shit ain’t leftism!

[Liriena]

If you end the electoral college the USA will transition into effectively a one party leftist state due to california and new york along with major city's.

This grinds my gears, but California and New York are Liberal, not Leftist. If they ain’t seizing the means of production, that shit ain’t leftism!

I wish we lived in a world where the "Commiefornia" name-calling was actually accurate. I want General Secretary Gavin Newsom of the Sacramento Politburo to seize my means of reproduction and treat me like a filthy landlord uwu