What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

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https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-outreach-trump-admin-224532820.html?ref=mail-android-notif-breaking

"I will send an immigration bill to the United States Senate with a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people in America," he said.

Aaand the rot begins...

Good job America. You can kiss your national sovereignty and the rule of law goodbye. I'm sure this would set the perfect example for countries that actually care about putting their own citizens first.

Also, the thread title should be updated now that Biden has been elected.

How the fuck does giving immigrants a pathway to citizenship end national sovereignty? Is the whole idea of national sovereignty not that a nation can do what it wants, including accepting as many immigrants as it wants?

[The Alma Mater]

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-outreach-trump-admin-224532820.html?ref=mail-android-notif-breaking

"I will send an immigration bill to the United States Senate with a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people in America," he said.

Aaand the rot begins...

Good job America. You can kiss your national sovereignty and the rule of law goodbye. I'm sure this would set the perfect example for countries that actually care about putting their own citizens first.

Also, the thread title should be updated now that Biden has been elected.

America: a country of immigrants looking for a better life.
Hmm. Why does that sound so.. normal.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-outreach-trump-admin-224532820.html?ref=mail-android-notif-breaking



Aaand the rot begins...

Good job America. You can kiss your national sovereignty and the rule of law goodbye. I'm sure this would set the perfect example for countries that actually care about putting their own citizens first.

Also, the thread title should be updated now that Biden has been elected.

How the fuck does giving immigrants a pathway to citizenship end national sovereignty? Is the whole idea of national sovereignty not that a nation can do what it wants, including accepting as many immigrants as it wants?

Open borders are a threat to any country's national sovereignty, such as France, Israel, Malaysia, and Hong Kong. Queue-jumping criminals who knowingly break the law i.e. illegal immigrants should not be entitled to residency, let alone citizenship. They should be swiftly deported. No exceptions. Granting legal exemptions to criminals of any sort is an attack on the rule of law. Donald Trump had the right idea with his zero-tolerance policy. It is a policy Malaysia and Europe would do well to emulate. If Joe Biden is going to simply abolish America's borders, he might as well declare his country a vassal state of the corrupt United Nations.

Joe Biden is making the same mistake as Angela Merkel and it is not going to end well for both the illegal migrants and the locals.

On a more positive note, maybe he'll actually do something about climate change and the coronavirus.

[Freiheit Reich]

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-outreach-trump-admin-224532820.html?ref=mail-android-notif-breaking



Aaand the rot begins...

Good job America. You can kiss your national sovereignty and the rule of law goodbye. I'm sure this would set the perfect example for countries that actually care about putting their own citizens first.

Also, the thread title should be updated now that Biden has been elected.

America: a country of immigrants looking for a better life.
Hmm. Why does that sound so.. normal.

Many of these immigrants come from nations that they have ruined. If the majority of people in Honduras were gentle, efficient, industrious, and peace-loving, the nation would not have such a high murder rate or be so corrupt. Honduras people would not tolerate awful politicians who don't care about fixing their nation. Panama and Costa Rica, while not perfect, are doing much better than El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. All of these nations are in Central America, all have coastlines, all are comprised mostly of Hispanics which means it is not racism, geography, or the fact they are brown skinned (some racists think all brown skinned Hispanics are the same) that are keeping some Central American nations down. The people in the crappy Latin American nations (Venezuela can be added to this list) are more violent by nature. Some blame the USA for their failures but this is a ridiculous idea.

I agree that the immigrants are looking for a better life but their methods are not all the same. Watch 'Scarface' to see how certain immigrants look for a better life in the USA. Also, the USA has millions of people on poverty that desperately need decent jobs to improve their situation. The USA can't afford to fund a national healthcare program (a real one, not the crappy Obamacare/Romneycare that is awful for the lower classes) because it is too poor to do so. The USA can't afford to fix its decaying infrastructure in many places. The USA can't afford decent public transport in many cities (even Tashkent, Manila, Bombay, Calcutta, and Lahore now have a metro/light rail systems which Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Columbus, and Kansas City lack).

When the USA cuts its poverty rate down, fixes the homeless problem, has a national healthcare system, gets rid of the national debt, and has light rail/street cars/metros in all its big cities, lowers its population to 200 million (which will reduce traffic jams and reduce the housing crisis) perhaps it can allow some qualified immigrants from poor (but less violent/corrupt) countries.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Watch 'Scarface' to see how certain immigrants look for a better life in the USA.

Are you actually citing a movie as an authoritative source

[Freiheit Reich]

How the fuck does giving immigrants a pathway to citizenship end national sovereignty? Is the whole idea of national sovereignty not that a nation can do what it wants, including accepting as many immigrants as it wants?

Open borders are a threat to any country's national sovereignty, such as France, Israel, Malaysia, and Hong Kong. Queue-jumping criminals who knowingly break the law i.e. illegal immigrants should not be entitled to residency, let alone citizenship. They should be swiftly deported. No exceptions. Granting legal exemptions to criminals of any sort is an attack on the rule of law. Donald Trump had the right idea with his zero-tolerance policy. It is a policy Malaysia and Europe would do well to emulate. If Joe Biden is going to simply abolish America's borders, he might as well declare his country a vassal state of the corrupt United Nations.

Joe Biden is making the same mistake as Angela Merkel and it is not going to end well for both the illegal migrants and the locals.

On a more positive note, maybe he'll actually do something about climate change and the coronavirus.

Democrats (and some bad republicans like Reagan) support making illegal immigrants citizens because they are trying to cater to the Hispanic voters. They also are 'encouraged' (bribed) to do this by large companies that benefit from more cheap workers which allows them to reduce wages and reduce benefits. Now, much fewer American companies offer worker housing, pensions, or even paid vacation days because workers have low power due to the flood of legal and illegal immigrants from poor countries. These politicians don't care about what is best for current citizens, they just care about keeping themselves in power and benefiting their power business 'friends.'

Actually, allowing more immigrants hurts climate change because when migrants move into the USA, their energy consumption increases (the USA is a high user of energy per capita).

https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-Unit ... -Emissions

However, immigrants in the United States produce an estimated four times more CO2 in the United States as they would have in their countries of origin.

The impact of immigration to the United States on global emissions is equal to approximately 5 percent of the increase in annual world-wide CO2 emissions since 1980.

The findings of this study indicate that future levels of immigration will have a significant impact on efforts to reduce global CO2 emissions. Immigration to the United States significantly increases world-wide CO2 emissions because it transfers population from lower-polluting parts of the world to the United States, which is a higher-polluting country. On average immigrants increase their emissions four-fold by coming to America.

Among the findings:

The estimated CO2 emissions of the average immigrant (legal or illegal) in the United States are 18 percent less than those of the average native-born American.
However, immigrants in the United States produce an estimated four times more CO2 in the United States as they would have in their countries of origin.
U.S. immigrants produce an estimated 637 million metric tons of CO2 emissions annually — equal to Great Britain and Sweden combined.
The estimated 637 tons of CO2 U.S. immigrants produce annually is 482 million tons more than they would have produced had they remained in their home countries.
If the 482 million ton increase in global CO2 emissions caused by immigration to the United States were a separate country, it would rank 10th in the world in emissions.
The impact of immigration to the United States on global emissions is equal to approximately 5 percent of the increase in annual world-wide CO2 emissions since 1980.
Of the CO2 emissions caused by immigrants, 83 percent is estimated to come from legal immigrants and 17 percent from illegal immigrants.
Legal immigrants have a much larger impact because they have higher incomes and resulting emissions, and they are more numerous than illegal immigrants.
The above figures do not include the impact of children born to immigrants in the United States. If they were included, the impact would be much higher.
Assuming no change in U.S. immigration policy, 30 million new legal and illegal immigrants are expected to settle in the United States in the next 20 years.
In recent years, increases in U.S. CO2 emissions have been driven entirely by population increases as per capita emissions have stabilized.

[Freiheit Reich]

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-outreach-trump-admin-224532820.html?ref=mail-android-notif-breaking



Aaand the rot begins...

Good job America. You can kiss your national sovereignty and the rule of law goodbye. I'm sure this would set the perfect example for countries that actually care about putting their own citizens first.

Also, the thread title should be updated now that Biden has been elected.

How the fuck does giving immigrants a pathway to citizenship end national sovereignty? Is the whole idea of national sovereignty not that a nation can do what it wants, including accepting as many immigrants as it wants?

Perhaps immigrants would be more supportive of policies and organizations like NAFTA, the WTO, the UN, the EU, etc... that weaken national sovereignty.

[The Archregimancy]

America: a country of immigrants looking for a better life.
Hmm. Why does that sound so.. normal.

Many of these immigrants come from nations that they have ruined. If the majority of people in Honduras were gentle, efficient, industrious, and peace-loving, the nation would not have such a high murder rate or be so corrupt. Honduras people would not tolerate awful politicians who don't care about fixing their nation. Panama and Costa Rica, while not perfect, are doing much better than El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. All of these nations are in Central America, all have coastlines, all are comprised mostly of Hispanics which means it is not racism, geography, or the fact they are brown skinned (some racists think all brown skinned Hispanics are the same) that are keeping some Central American nations down. The people in the crappy Latin American nations (Venezuela can be added to this list) are more violent by nature. Some blame the USA for their failures but this is a ridiculous idea.

*** 1-day ban for all X are Y trolling of people from 'crappy Latin American nations' ***; of whom we have several posting in these forums.

I would have usually kept this to a warning, but your overall record has been taken into account.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Many of these immigrants come from nations that they have ruined. If the majority of people in Honduras were gentle, efficient, industrious, and peace-loving, the nation would not have such a high murder rate or be so corrupt. Honduras people would not tolerate awful politicians who don't care about fixing their nation. Panama and Costa Rica, while not perfect, are doing much better than El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. All of these nations are in Central America, all have coastlines, all are comprised mostly of Hispanics which means it is not racism, geography, or the fact they are brown skinned (some racists think all brown skinned Hispanics are the same) that are keeping some Central American nations down. The people in the crappy Latin American nations (Venezuela can be added to this list) are more violent by nature. Some blame the USA for their failures but this is a ridiculous idea.

*** 1-day ban for all X are Y trolling of people from 'crappy Latin American nations' ***; of whom we have several posting in these forums.

I would have usually kept this to a warning, but your overall record has been taken into account.

It was one of his better rants. If only he had said "more violent by societal upbringing" rather than "more violent by nature" ... and tossed in "lack of investment" for what is keeping South America down ...

What NSG needs is post Editors. There would be far fewer reports, hurt feelings, missing links, typos or misunderstandings. Needless to say, I am volunteering!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

How the fuck does giving immigrants a pathway to citizenship end national sovereignty? Is the whole idea of national sovereignty not that a nation can do what it wants, including accepting as many immigrants as it wants?

Perhaps immigrants would be more supportive of policies and organizations like NAFTA, the WTO, the UN, the EU, etc... that weaken national sovereignty.

The US has national sovereignty up the arse. As a country which regularly beats up countries on the other side of the globe, but is losing the economic hegemony to justify that, what the US needs right now is LESS fucking "national sovereignty". The citizens themselves are being oppressed by that damn national sovereignty, the only way forward for national sovereignty is to build an explicit, military, empire. You need to give that shit up, lest you start a war you really regret!

You don't like NAFTA? Seriously the fuck man. You have to trade with someone, it enriches both of you. You don't want to trade with your only two neighbours by land border? You don't want Canada and Mexico to be richer than they are now? Why the fuck not?

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How the fuck does giving immigrants a pathway to citizenship end national sovereignty? Is the whole idea of national sovereignty not that a nation can do what it wants, including accepting as many immigrants as it wants?

Open borders are a threat to any country's national sovereignty, such as France, Israel, Malaysia, and Hong Kong. Queue-jumping criminals who knowingly break the law i.e. illegal immigrants should not be entitled to residency, let alone citizenship. They should be swiftly deported. No exceptions. Granting legal exemptions to criminals of any sort is an attack on the rule of law. Donald Trump had the right idea with his zero-tolerance policy. It is a policy Malaysia and Europe would do well to emulate. If Joe Biden is going to simply abolish America's borders, he might as well declare his country a vassal state of the corrupt United Nations.

Joe Biden is making the same mistake as Angela Merkel and it is not going to end well for both the illegal migrants and the locals.

On a more positive note, maybe he'll actually do something about climate change and the coronavirus.

Dude, I live in Germany in a city full of refugees. I've met loads of refugees, I took German classes with them. My wife used to work with refugees getting them employment. Things are going just fine here.

Further, what actual problems there are mostly stem from the fact that Germany took on a disproportionate burden because other countries refused to step up. The USA takes in a few ten thousand every year. If the world came together and each country took in refugees relative to their population and economic security, the effects (grossly exaggerated in right wing propaganda) would be minimal for everyone.

And I would much rather live in the same neighborhood with refugees than the nazi scum who put up signs like "let the air out of the refugees' boats" during the election, or AfD fanatics who are apparently too busy protesting about having to wear masks and microchips in Bill Gates' covid vaccine to worry about anything else.

[Picairn]

Open borders are a threat to any country's national sovereignty, such as France, Israel, Malaysia, and Hong Kong.

Except granting a path to citizenship for illegals isn't "open borders".

Queue-jumping criminals who knowingly break the law i.e. illegal immigrants should not be entitled to residency, let alone citizenship.

Dude many of those illegal immigrants have already lived there for a long time as good law-abiding citizens and even paid taxes. Why the hell shouldn't they be given the benefits of citizenship when they have willingly paid the costs?

They should be swiftly deported. No exceptions.

Impractical, if not downright moronic. Deporting 11 million illegals in the middle of a pandemic will wreck the US economy harder than 1929.

Granting legal exemptions to criminals of any sort is an attack on the rule of law.

Disproportionate punishment is an attack on human rights.

Donald Trump had the right idea with his zero-tolerance policy. It is a policy Malaysia and Europe would do well to emulate.

Hell no. Separating children from their parents, locking detainees into camps with horrid conditions, etc. Not something the leader of the free world should continue.

If Joe Biden is going to simply abolish America's borders, he might as well declare his country a vassal state of the corrupt United Nations.

Again, Joe Biden don't want to abolish borders. Next you are going to tell me how the UN is controlled by lizard men from the Illuminati hell-bent on dominating the world and turning humanity into slaves.

Joe Biden is making the same mistake as Angela Merkel and it is not going to end well for both the illegal migrants and the locals.

He still doesn't want to open borders...

On a more positive note, maybe he'll actually do something about climate change and the coronavirus.

The only thing I'll agree with you in this post.

[Elwher]

Granting legal exemptions to criminals of any sort is an attack on the rule of law.

Disproportionate punishment is an attack on human rights.

If you believe in restorative justice, then deportation is the obvious punishment for illegal entry. It restores the situation to that which existed before the crime was committed, after all. Therefore, it is in no way disproportionate.

What I find ironic is that many of the illegal immigrants claim they left because their home countries no longer enforced the law, then they come here and ask that we do not enforce the law.

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Disproportionate punishment is an attack on human rights.

If you believe in restorative justice, then deportation is the obvious punishment for illegal entry. It restores the situation to that which existed before the crime was committed, after all. Therefore, it is in no way disproportionate.

What I find ironic is that many of the illegal immigrants claim they left because their home countries no longer enforced the law, then they come here and ask that we do not enforce the law.

Restorative justice is about making things right for victims of crimes. Crossing an imaginary line does not create a victim.

As for this all or nothing approach to law, it seems quite ridiculous. If I say I don't want people to be raped but I smoke weed, that makes me a hypocrite?

[New Ruchaar]

Couldn't. I simply couldn't vote for somebody incompetent and mean over somebody effective and mean. If I couldn't vote for Trump, I simply wouldn't vote this year.

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Couldn't. I simply couldn't vote for somebody incompetent and mean over somebody effective and mean. If I couldn't vote for Trump, I simply wouldn't vote this year.

The things Trump is effective at are bad things. Would you rather have a chef who sucks at making a pizza or a chef who is really good at stabbing you?

[Picairn]

If you believe in restorative justice, then deportation is the obvious punishment for illegal entry. It restores the situation to that which existed before the crime was committed, after all. Therefore, it is in no way disproportionate.

At the expense of turning the whole economy upside down, in the middle of a pandemic? At the expense of the lives of the immigrants who have willingly paid taxes and lived as law-abiding citizens?

"It restores the situation to that which existed before the crime was committed, after all."
It is funny that you truly believe that. Deporting immigrants who have made livelihoods and families here doesn't restore the old situation, but creates new problems. First the economy would be destroyed, then the people who are deported and lost everything will most likely resort to crimes to survive. Then some try to re-enter again, and the vicious cycle repeats. Deportation is a short-sighted solution that doesn't address the fundamental problems.

What I find ironic is that many of the illegal immigrants claim they left because their home countries no longer enforced the law, then they come here and ask that we do not enforce the law.

Who? Where? When? Many illegal immigrants have come here, worked hard, paid taxes, and lived like law-abiding citizens.

[UniversalCommons]

A lot of illegal immigrants are here because Americans won't do the dirtier jobs. We have abandoned the trades and have huge holes in our ability to build things. So they come here and become welders, construction workers, and landscapers. Respectable jobs which many ordinary Americans will not take because they have been fed crap about college being the only way to move forward. We need them until we can turn around some of our ideology about the trades and skilled work with your hands.

[Witiland]

A lot of illegal immigrants are here because Americans won't do the dirtier jobs. We have abandoned the trades and have huge holes in our ability to build things. So they come here and become welders, construction workers, and landscapers. Respectable jobs which many ordinary Americans will not take because they have been fed crap about college being the only way to move forward. We need them until we can turn around some of our ideology about the trades and skilled work with your hands.

It’s a honor in fact that so many people want to become immigrants. Immigration in fact is such a huge part of our culture. The phrase “American as Apple pie” can be applied to this as apples are from Kazakhstan and the pie was brought over from European countries. Go’s to show that even the most “American” things are actually not so American after all (or at least had lots of time for people to thinks it’s purely American).

[Elwher]

If you believe in restorative justice, then deportation is the obvious punishment for illegal entry. It restores the situation to that which existed before the crime was committed, after all. Therefore, it is in no way disproportionate.

At the expense of turning the whole economy upside down, in the middle of a pandemic? At the expense of the lives of the immigrants who have willingly paid taxes and lived as law-abiding citizens?

"It restores the situation to that which existed before the crime was committed, after all."
It is funny that you truly believe that. Deporting immigrants who have made livelihoods and families here doesn't restore the old situation, but creates new problems. First the economy would be destroyed, then the people who are deported and lost everything will most likely resort to crimes to survive. Then some try to re-enter again, and the vicious cycle repeats. Deportation is a short-sighted solution that doesn't address the fundamental problems.

The situation before the crime was committed was that they were in their home country. The situation after deportation is that they are in their home country. Seems like the same situation to me

What I find ironic is that many of the illegal immigrants claim they left because their home countries no longer enforced the law, then they come here and ask that we do not enforce the law.

Who? Where? When? Many illegal immigrants have come here, worked hard, paid taxes, and lived like law-abiding citizens.

If they are planning on staying here, they are asking that was do not enforce immigration law, are they not?

[Elwher]

If you believe in restorative justice, then deportation is the obvious punishment for illegal entry. It restores the situation to that which existed before the crime was committed, after all. Therefore, it is in no way disproportionate.

What I find ironic is that many of the illegal immigrants claim they left because their home countries no longer enforced the law, then they come here and ask that we do not enforce the law.

Restorative justice is about making things right for victims of crimes. Crossing an imaginary line does not create a victim.

As for this all or nothing approach to law, it seems quite ridiculous. If I say I don't want people to be raped but I smoke weed, that makes me a hypocrite?

To an extent, yes it does.

You are saying that it is acceptable for you to do something you enjoy, even though it is illegal; yet you want someone else doing something he enjoys even though it is illegal to be prosecuted. Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of legal drugs and opposed to rape, but there is a certain irony to saying only those laws you favor should be enforced.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Watch 'Scarface' to see how certain immigrants look for a better life in the USA.

Are you actually citing a movie as an authoritative source

Al Capone should've been deported back to NYC instead of being allowed to fuck with Chicago for so many years.

"We'Re jUsT sUpPlYiNg a dEmAnD!1!1!"

Fucking lol.

joke

Open borders are a threat to any country's national sovereignty, such as France, Israel, Malaysia, and Hong Kong. Queue-jumping criminals who knowingly break the law i.e. illegal immigrants should not be entitled to residency, let alone citizenship. They should be swiftly deported. No exceptions. Granting legal exemptions to criminals of any sort is an attack on the rule of law. Donald Trump had the right idea with his zero-tolerance policy. It is a policy Malaysia and Europe would do well to emulate. If Joe Biden is going to simply abolish America's borders, he might as well declare his country a vassal state of the corrupt United Nations.

Joe Biden is making the same mistake as Angela Merkel and it is not going to end well for both the illegal migrants and the locals.

On a more positive note, maybe he'll actually do something about climate change and the coronavirus.

Dude, I live in Germany in a city full of refugees. I've met loads of refugees, I took German classes with them. My wife used to work with refugees getting them employment. Things are going just fine here.

Further, what actual problems there are mostly stem from the fact that Germany took on a disproportionate burden because other countries refused to step up. The USA takes in a few ten thousand every year. If the world came together and each country took in refugees relative to their population and economic security, the effects (grossly exaggerated in right wing propaganda) would be minimal for everyone.

And I would much rather live in the same neighborhood with refugees than the nazi scum who put up signs like "let the air out of the refugees' boats" during the election, or AfD fanatics who are apparently too busy protesting about having to wear masks and microchips in Bill Gates' covid vaccine to worry about anything else.

I'm talking about illegal economic migrants, not refugees. Merkel, in her defense, can at least claim that at some, if not most, of the migrants Germany admitted were genuine refugees. Joe Biden explicitly wants to legalize all 11 million illegal immigrants be they refugees or economic migrants.

My beef is not with refugees or legal immigrants, but with illegal economic migrants and the neoliberal politicians, employers, and bleeding-heart "progressive" leftists who enable them. Not to mention the human traffickers. The latter should be locked up for life for knowingly sending their "clients" to their deaths on an industrial scale. It seems one can only be for the de factoabolition of borders and national sovereignty, or against any and all immigration, including legitimate refugees and legal immigration.

[Freiheit Reich]

Watch 'Scarface' to see how certain immigrants look for a better life in the USA.

Are you actually citing a movie as an authoritative source

OK, I will give you true facts since you think that none of the immigrants from Cuba on the Marial Boatlift committed violent crimes or were involved in the drug trade and that immigrants from peaceful and underdeveloped beautiful countries that just happen to have high crime rates. Yes, plenty of American citizens are committing violent crimes. Most murders in St. Louis, Baltimore, and Gary are done by legal US citizens that have likely been in the USA at least 3 generations (these cities attract relatively few immigrants compared to LA or Phoenix). However, this doesn't mean that crime never happens due to immigration.

MS-13 gang: The story behind one of the world's most brutal street gangs

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39645640

The gang began in the barrios of Los Angeles in LA during the 1980s, formed by immigrants who had fled El Salvador's long and brutal civil war. Other members came from Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico.

Crimes by Illegal Immigrants Widespread Across U.S.—Sanctuaries Shouldn’t Shield Them

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-just ... s-shouldnt

FIVE YEARS LATER, OVERRIDING CRIME IS MARIEL LEGACY

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xp ... story.html

Statistics compiled by the Criminal Justice Council revealed that Mariel Cubans are five times more likely than pre-Mariel Cubans to commit crime. They also show that although Mariels represent only 5 percent of the Dade County population, they accounted for 10 percent of the felony bookings last year, 22 percent of the misdemeanor bookings and nearly 50 percent of those found incompetent to stand trial in local courts.

[Freiheit Reich]

This is a good article that gives many reasons why Biden's immigration plan is a problem for the USA:

Biden's immigration policies are bad for the country and threaten the conservative movement
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Washington Examiner logo Biden's immigration policies are bad for the country and threaten the conservative movement
Now that multiple outlets have declared Joe Biden the winner of the presidential election, it's apparent that Biden will take more than four decades of experience back to Washington, D.C. — including a horrible immigration policy. If the Republican Party maintains control of the Senate, which appears likely, they must do everything in their power to stop him from enacting it, or they risk killing the conservative movement.

Joe Biden wearing a suit and tie© Provided by Washington Examiner
The worst part of Biden’s immigration agenda is that he wants a "roadmap to citizenship for nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants." He also says that he will stop deporting people for the first 100 days of his administration.

Biden's mass amnesty plan is terrible for many reasons.

For starters, Biden wants illegal immigrants to vote. Who do you think they are going to vote for? A 2012 Pew Research Center study showed that 81% of Latino immigrants favored increasing the size and scope of the federal government. And those who come here, legally or not, will have children born here and receive birthright citizenship, meaning they can vote in the future one day as well. They can vote to restrict your First and Second Amendment rights as well as to build a bigger welfare state.

Democrats have won the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections, with Republican wins in the Electoral College coming with razor-thin margins in key battleground states. For George W. Bush in 2000, it was 537 votes in Florida, with Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan playing spoiler. Then in 2016, President Trump had three states where his combined margin of victory was about 80,000 votes. It’s why Democrats want a popular vote in presidential elections, and surely, adding more Democratic voters to pad their lead wouldn’t hurt.

Demographic change has already moved the electoral maps in ways few would have imagined even 16 years ago. In that election, New Mexico and Colorado both voted Republican, and Bush won Georgia by 16 points and Arizona by 10 points. In 2000, Bush spent money on TV ads in California, indicating that he thought he had a shot there. After all, it was Reagan country at one point.

Now, Georgia and Arizona are trending blue; Biden appears to have won both states. They’re both projected to become racially majority-minority this decade. Additionally, there are around 1.5 million illegal immigrants in Texas. That’s a state where Beto O'Rourke, who wants to take people's guns and tear down some of the U.S.-Mexico border wall, was about 200,000 votes shy of winning a Senate seat in 2018. It's also a state that Trump will win in this election by about 6 points, meaning it's competitive.

Even those who despise Trump should worry about the kind of one-party rule this could usher in. Sure, conservatives should try to win over minority voters, but that will take time — and assimilation.

Plus, there are plenty of other downsides to mass illegal immigration.

Offering pathways to citizenship for illegal immigrants is a great way to encourage more illegal immigration, as is Biden’s stance that illegal immigrants should be able to get free college, government-subsidized healthcare, and drivers’ licenses. The latter is also a great way to boost our carbon footprint as people emit, on average, four times more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in the United States than they would in their home country.

It’s also a financial burden to the taxpayers of the U.S. Yes, many argue that illegal immigrants pay taxes, but not enough to cover the services they use. The Federation for American Immigration Reform says that illegal immigration costs taxpayers $132 billion annually; for comparison, we could end world hunger with $330 billion, according to the Guardian. So, while illegal immigrants pay an estimated $11.7 billion in state and local taxes, around $1,000 apiece if you use the lowball estimate of illegal immigrants in the country, it's still far lower than the more than $5,000 the average person in the U.S. pays. Legalizing these immigrants may boost tax revenue, but a hoard of low-skill immigrants won’t pay for themselves. After all, the top half of income earners pay 97% of income tax revenue while the bottom half pay just 3%. Plus, about half of immigrant households use welfare services.

Creating a bigger labor pool among low-skill workers also hurts our country’s working class. It depresses their wages and makes it harder to find jobs. It also prevents a tight labor market, which gives workers more leverage.

Not to mention the kind of illegal immigration Biden would encourage puts the country at risk of another pandemic — or a terrorist attack. Think that’s fearmongering? The coronavirus and the swine flu didn’t originate in the U.S., and sick people try to come to the U.S. often, Border Patrol agents have said. Some of the counties worst off in the coronavirus pandemic are U.S.-Mexico border counties. They include Yuma County, Arizona (6.7% of people have been infected); El Paso County, Texas (7.1% infected); Cameron County, Texas (5.8% infected), and Imperial County, California (7.4% infected).

And when it comes to terrorism, in six months from October 2017 to March 2018, the U.S. stopped 97 people on terrorism watchlists from entering the country, primarily via the porous U.S.-Canadian border.

Sadly, there is probably not a lot of good that could come from a Biden administration on immigration. He won’t implement mandatory e-Verify or a public charge rule (his campaign website says he opposes one); and he probably won’t restrict flawed visa programs such as the EB-5, J-1 summer work travel, H-2B, H-1B (he doesn’t like Trump’s "America first" approach), and the F-1.

Hopefully, Republicans win the Senate runoffs in Georgia and hold onto the Senate. Gridlock would prevent Biden from broad, permanent action on his worst impulses — including on immigration.

Tom Joyce (@TomJoyceSports) is a freelance writer who has been published in USA Today, the Boston Globe, Newsday, ESPN, the Detroit Free Press, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Federalist, and a number of other media outlets.

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This is a good article that gives many reasons why Biden's immigration plan is a problem for the USA:

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Now that multiple outlets have declared Joe Biden the winner of the presidential election, it's apparent that Biden will take more than four decades of experience back to Washington, D.C. — including a horrible immigration policy. If the Republican Party maintains control of the Senate, which appears likely, they must do everything in their power to stop him from enacting it, or they risk killing the conservative movement.

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The worst part of Biden’s immigration agenda is that he wants a "roadmap to citizenship for nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants." He also says that he will stop deporting people for the first 100 days of his administration.

Biden's mass amnesty plan is terrible for many reasons.

For starters, Biden wants illegal immigrants to vote. Who do you think they are going to vote for? A 2012 Pew Research Center study showed that 81% of Latino immigrants favored increasing the size and scope of the federal government. And those who come here, legally or not, will have children born here and receive birthright citizenship, meaning they can vote in the future one day as well. They can vote to restrict your First and Second Amendment rights as well as to build a bigger welfare state.

Democrats have won the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections, with Republican wins in the Electoral College coming with razor-thin margins in key battleground states. For George W. Bush in 2000, it was 537 votes in Florida, with Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan playing spoiler. Then in 2016, President Trump had three states where his combined margin of victory was about 80,000 votes. It’s why Democrats want a popular vote in presidential elections, and surely, adding more Democratic voters to pad their lead wouldn’t hurt.

Demographic change has already moved the electoral maps in ways few would have imagined even 16 years ago. In that election, New Mexico and Colorado both voted Republican, and Bush won Georgia by 16 points and Arizona by 10 points. In 2000, Bush spent money on TV ads in California, indicating that he thought he had a shot there. After all, it was Reagan country at one point.

Now, Georgia and Arizona are trending blue; Biden appears to have won both states. They’re both projected to become racially majority-minority this decade. Additionally, there are around 1.5 million illegal immigrants in Texas. That’s a state where Beto O'Rourke, who wants to take people's guns and tear down some of the U.S.-Mexico border wall, was about 200,000 votes shy of winning a Senate seat in 2018. It's also a state that Trump will win in this election by about 6 points, meaning it's competitive.

Even those who despise Trump should worry about the kind of one-party rule this could usher in. Sure, conservatives should try to win over minority voters, but that will take time — and assimilation.

Plus, there are plenty of other downsides to mass illegal immigration.

Offering pathways to citizenship for illegal immigrants is a great way to encourage more illegal immigration, as is Biden’s stance that illegal immigrants should be able to get free college, government-subsidized healthcare, and drivers’ licenses. The latter is also a great way to boost our carbon footprint as people emit, on average, four times more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in the United States than they would in their home country.

It’s also a financial burden to the taxpayers of the U.S. Yes, many argue that illegal immigrants pay taxes, but not enough to cover the services they use. The Federation for American Immigration Reform says that illegal immigration costs taxpayers $132 billion annually; for comparison, we could end world hunger with $330 billion, according to the Guardian. So, while illegal immigrants pay an estimated $11.7 billion in state and local taxes, around $1,000 apiece if you use the lowball estimate of illegal immigrants in the country, it's still far lower than the more than $5,000 the average person in the U.S. pays. Legalizing these immigrants may boost tax revenue, but a hoard of low-skill immigrants won’t pay for themselves. After all, the top half of income earners pay 97% of income tax revenue while the bottom half pay just 3%. Plus, about half of immigrant households use welfare services.

Creating a bigger labor pool among low-skill workers also hurts our country’s working class. It depresses their wages and makes it harder to find jobs. It also prevents a tight labor market, which gives workers more leverage.

Not to mention the kind of illegal immigration Biden would encourage puts the country at risk of another pandemic — or a terrorist attack. Think that’s fearmongering? The coronavirus and the swine flu didn’t originate in the U.S., and sick people try to come to the U.S. often, Border Patrol agents have said. Some of the counties worst off in the coronavirus pandemic are U.S.-Mexico border counties. They include Yuma County, Arizona (6.7% of people have been infected); El Paso County, Texas (7.1% infected); Cameron County, Texas (5.8% infected), and Imperial County, California (7.4% infected).

And when it comes to terrorism, in six months from October 2017 to March 2018, the U.S. stopped 97 people on terrorism watchlists from entering the country, primarily via the porous U.S.-Canadian border.

Sadly, there is probably not a lot of good that could come from a Biden administration on immigration. He won’t implement mandatory e-Verify or a public charge rule (his campaign website says he opposes one); and he probably won’t restrict flawed visa programs such as the EB-5, J-1 summer work travel, H-2B, H-1B (he doesn’t like Trump’s "America first" approach), and the F-1.

Hopefully, Republicans win the Senate runoffs in Georgia and hold onto the Senate. Gridlock would prevent Biden from broad, permanent action on his worst impulses — including on immigration.

Tom Joyce (@TomJoyceSports) is a freelance writer who has been published in USA Today, the Boston Globe, Newsday, ESPN, the Detroit Free Press, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Federalist, and a number of other media outlets.

Tags: Opinion, Beltway Confidential, Blog Contributors, Immigration, Foreign Policy, Coronavirus, Joe Biden, 2020 Elections, Campaigns, Campaign 2020

Original Author: Tom Joyce

Original Location: Biden's immigration policies are bad for the country and threaten the conservative movement

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If Biden was as cool as these garbage rightist outlets make him out to be I'd actually support him.