Blargoblarg wrote:New haven america wrote:We get it, you're not voting for Biden or Trump, and that the only way you'd consider voting for either main party was if Lenin himself rose from his mausoleum in the Red Square and personally endorsed one of the candidates.
This isn't the 2020 election thread, knock off the spam, it got old 2 months ago.
1. This thread is about the 2020 election, and particularly about people on the left in the U.S. who aren't currently planning to vote for Biden. 2. I get the feeling that you and a lot of other posters in this thread never actually read the OP:Mirjt wrote:This topic is directed toward U.S. Leftists (edit: and Progressives) whom are currently not planning to vote for Biden.
For me:
I do not support Biden or his neo-liberal to deeply conservative viewpoints and policies. I do not trust Biden with important issues. (That said, I don't despise Joe Biden because I believe in loving every single human being). I currently plan to vote for Howie Hawkins (and down ticket for progressive democrats, independents, and third party candidates) in November; though that may not matter because I live in Maryland, a safe blue state, which will probably cast all 10 of its electoral votes for Joe Biden. I am, however, willing to risk a Trump second term to show the Democratic establishment that they need to earn my vote (they don't just get my vote because they aren't the worse option). I already consider Bernie Sanders policies to be a moderate compromise (his policies were social democracy, which is a moderate compromise between socialism and capitalism) so I am hesitant to compromise further; that said I think (or hope) that the left has more power right now, and so offer Biden this deal: I will consider voting for Biden, if he meets all the following conditions (this is the minimum price for my vote):
1. He must adopt at least 90% of each of the following plans published by Bernie Sanders:
A. Medicare for All
B. Green New Deal
C. Ending Mass Incarceration
D. Any 3 Economics Plans (Biden may choose from a list of plans published by Bernie Sanders)
2. He must publish his own plan for improving U.S. Democracy (with ideas like ranked choice voting, multi-member districts, campaign finance reform, public campaign funding, support and protection for non-electoral politics, etc...).
3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.
4. He must allow leftists to choose his Vice President (we will choose a woman so Biden may keep his campaign promise of having a woman Vice President).
5. He must allow and endorse Bernie Sanders (and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Talib, and all the other Progressives in Congress) to handle future Democratic responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.
6. He must, on video, sign a pledge (which will be copied and distributed to anyone who wants a copy) that states that if he does not attempt to fulfill each of the above campaign promises during his first 18 months in office, then he will resign after the 2022 midterm elections.
Note: I am okay with adding other stipulations to the signed pledge, such as swearing on the Christian Bible, or making the pledge a full-fledged legal document that can be used to sue Biden should he break it.
Note: I am not even really sure Biden is aware he needs to win over leftists (or independents, or typically non-voters), he probably thinks that the leftists have no where to go but the Democratic Party and he thinks he already has the votes of the Democrats. In his mind he probably thinks he needs to win over Republicans (which is nearly impossible) and swing voters.
1. No, this is the 2020 election thread. So please move your spam there, thank you.
2. I read the OP, and I think it's a dumb OP made by someone who was mad that Bernie voluntarily resigned after running a weak campaign and making the same mistakes he did in 2016. Mistakes I've gone over extensively in the past but to no avail as a lot of hardcore Sanders Supporters can't take him being criticized.
