What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Cisairse]

Found this on FB, copy-pasted.

OH BOY, KAMALA!
-She supported a law that forces schools to turn undocumented students over to ICE, separating them from their parents. source:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-h ... 166204509b
-Supported and funded a bill that would criminalize truancy, disproportionately harming single parent households, the poor, families of color and homeless mothers. source:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-h ... bfa1b57d2e
https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/statu ... 98464?s=20
-Declined to prosecute Steven Mnuchin after his bank’s predatory lending and foreclosure fraud broke the law “over a thousand” times and ruined the lives of thousands of homeowners. source:
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/03/tre ... aked-memo/
...he later donated to her campaign source:
https://www.rollcall.com/2017/02/14/har ... m-mnuchin/
-She spent years jailing disproportionately black nonviolent cannabis users source:
https://afropunk.com/2019/01/kamala-har ... not-crime/
she then tried to pander by admitting to smoking herself despite prosecuting others source:
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/kamala- ... e-in-2019/
-Stopped the release of a man serving 27 years-to-life after being wrongfully convicted of possession of a knife under the three-strikes law she supported. source:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kama ... ey-general
...and when civil rights groups and nearly 100,000 petition signatures got him released after 14 years she took him back to court again for a crime he didn’t commit source:
https://www.scpr.org/news/2013/07/31/38 ... in-appeal/
-Opposed reforming California’s three-strikes law, which is the only one in the country to impose life sentences for minor felonies and incarcerates black people at 12x the rate as white people source:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archi ... e-strikes/
...she opposed the law THREE different times source:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archi ... e-strikes/
-Protected serial child rapists by refusing to prosecute in the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal source:
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/kam ... ild-abuse/
-Tried to deny a transgender inmate healthcare and endangered trans women by forcing them into mens prisons. source:
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/05 ... ns-inmate/
-Stood by silently as $730 million was spent on moving inmates to for-profit private prisons source:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2013/08/29/ ... -standoff/
-Voted two different times to block federal funding for abortions source:
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/pl ... ion-443667
-She supports Trump escalating war in Syria source:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/24/bipa ... hezbollah/
-Voted to give Trump increased military spending source:
https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/23 ... QQgLtNKifQ
...she did that TWICE:
https://justfacts.votesmart.org/bill/25 ... QQhV9NKifQ
-Mocks the activist call to “build more schools, less jails” source:
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/statu ... 40800?s=20
-Accepted thousands of dollars of campaign funds from Donald and Ivanka Trump multiple times source:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-go ... 75319.html
-Opposed legalization of sex work source:
http://www.laweekly.com/a-new-movement- ... la-harris/
...endangered sex workers source:
https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/a ... less-safe/
...and oversaw people being charged for prostitution without even agreeing to sex source:
https://archives.sfweekly.com/sanfranci ... id=2177526
-Refused to investigate Herbalife’s exploitation and fraud source:
https://freebeacon.com/politics/kamala- ... -the-hook/
...and, conveniently enough, later received donations from people connected to the corporation source:
https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/ ... -kamala-h/
-Refused to prosecute PG&E for its massive gas pipeline explosion source:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/us/p ... itics.html
...and now its consultants are running her campaign source:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/ ... gn-1116076
-Is a latecomer in endorsing Medicare for All and already appears to be backtracking on it source:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics ... index.html
-Supports foreign right-wing influences Netanyahu and AIPAC
https://theintercept.com/2018/03/07/kam ... ael-aipac/
-Systematically violated defendants’ civil and constitutional rights” in crime lab scandal source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html
-Co-sponsored the bill that let Trump impose sanctions on Iran source:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... e=expanded
...which violated the nuclear deal and lead to the currently rising tensions source:
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/media ... 7a0e5743a/

Yikes.

[Rusozak]

So it sounds to me like her credentials are "being just as bad as Trump and the Republicans, but not necessarily worse." Welcome to American politics.

[United States of Devonta]

What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

Trump.

[Sundiata]

I would vote for Biden if he promises to deport Kamala Harris

Trump has yet to arrest Hillary Clinton like he promised.

[The Two Jerseys]

Found this on FB, copy-pasted.

Yikes.

I knew she was sleazy, but this...

[Cordel One]

Before Kamala became his running mate I was thinking NO, now it's gonna be a NO from me. I may hate Trump more, but that doesn't mean the Democrats have earned my vote either.

[Rusozak]

Before Kamala became his running mate I was thinking NO, now it's gonna be a NO from me. I may hate Trump more, but that doesn't mean the Democrats have earned my vote either.

I don't see what the big deal is. When has a VP ever defined a presidency?

[Outer Sparta]

Before Kamala became his running mate I was thinking NO, now it's gonna be a NO from me. I may hate Trump more, but that doesn't mean the Democrats have earned my vote either.

I don't see what the big deal is. When has a VP ever defined a presidency?

Apparently to NSG the VP always defines a presidency and not the actual candidate's policy or whatever else, even though the biggest impact is not on electoral results (unless you nominate someone from the opposite party like Lieberman or a crazy one like Palin) but on whether or not the VP will run for president in the future.

[Fahran]

I don't see what the big deal is. When has a VP ever defined a presidency?

When the president has died in office.

[Rusozak]

I don't see what the big deal is. When has a VP ever defined a presidency?

When the president has died in office.

Okay I'll give you that but how often does that happen?

[Dominioan]

Oh, America. Where you get to choose between the bad and the ugly. The good is nowhere to be found.

[Major-Tom]

When the president has died in office.

Okay I'll give you that but how often does that happen?

...I mean, historically, like a good amount. Harding, Lincoln, Kennedy, McKinley, FDR, Garfield, Taylor, Harrison.

Granted, some of those guys got assassinated, but still.

[Major-Tom]

Before Kamala became his running mate I was thinking NO, now it's gonna be a NO from me. I may hate Trump more, but that doesn't mean the Democrats have earned my vote either.

I don't think you were going to vote Biden, then. Oh well.

[Region of Dwipantara]

Okay I'll give you that but how often does that happen?

...I mean, historically, like a good amount. Harding, Lincoln, Kennedy, McKinley, FDR, Garfield, Taylor, Harrison.

Granted, some of those guys got assassinated, but still.

And Andrew Johnson's administration, who started following Lincoln's assasination proved to be an unprecedented trainwreck that damages the Reconstruction effort.

[Greed and Death]

Okay I'll give you that but how often does that happen?

...I mean, historically, like a good amount. Harding, Lincoln, Kennedy, McKinley, FDR, Garfield, Taylor, Harrison.

Granted, some of those guys got assassinated, but still.

Biden is 77, life expectancy is 78.5. For men 76.1.

If elected his chance of death would be 5% for the first year in office and 6% for the middle two years in officer, and 7% for the last year. So about 1 out of 4 he dies in office(24%).

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

If reelected
His rate of death would be 8%, 9%, 10%, and 11% each year in office. About 38%. Add the above and we get roughly 62%.

[Rusozak]

Okay I'll give you that but how often does that happen?

...I mean, historically, like a good amount. Harding, Lincoln, Kennedy, McKinley, FDR, Garfield, Taylor, Harrison.

Granted, some of those guys got assassinated, but still.

Still doesn't seem like a "what if they die and the VP takes charge?" scenario should dominate a voting decision, given the unlikelihood. And it doesn't seem to for most people. I mean, Bush won twice with Cheney. Just think about that.

[Aureumterra]

Before Kamala became his running mate I was thinking NO, now it's gonna be a NO from me. I may hate Trump more, but that doesn't mean the Democrats have earned my vote either.

I don't see what the big deal is. When has a VP ever defined a presidency?

Ever heard of Cheney?

[The Emerald Legion]

...I mean, historically, like a good amount. Harding, Lincoln, Kennedy, McKinley, FDR, Garfield, Taylor, Harrison.

Granted, some of those guys got assassinated, but still.

Still doesn't seem like a "what if they die and the VP takes charge?" scenario should dominate a voting decision, given the unlikelihood. And it doesn't seem to for most people. I mean, Bush won twice with Cheney. Just think about that.

When your Presidential candidate is in his late 70's.... Yes it does.

[Region of Dwipantara]

...I mean, historically, like a good amount. Harding, Lincoln, Kennedy, McKinley, FDR, Garfield, Taylor, Harrison.

Granted, some of those guys got assassinated, but still.

Biden is 77, life expectancy is 78.5. For men 76.1.

If elected his chance of death would be 5% for the first year in office and 6% for the middle two years in officer, and 7% for the last year. So about 1 out of 4 he dies in office(24%).

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

If reelected
His rate of death would be 8%, 9%, 10%, and 11% each year in office. About 38%. Add the above and we get roughly 62%.

Will Biden really run again at the age of 82, though? At that point, and especially with ambitious Harris as veep, he'll probably be a one-term president.

[Rusozak]

Still doesn't seem like a "what if they die and the VP takes charge?" scenario should dominate a voting decision, given the unlikelihood. And it doesn't seem to for most people. I mean, Bush won twice with Cheney. Just think about that.

When your Presidential candidate is in his late 70's.... Yes it does.

And so is Trump. Is anyone basing a vote for Trump off of how they feel about Pence?

[The Emerald Legion]

When your Presidential candidate is in his late 70's.... Yes it does.

And so is Trump. Is anyone basing a vote for Trump off of how they feel about Pence?

I mean, when I voted for him I would have voted for just about anyone to avoid Clinton. Pretty much the same way now. I don't particularly like a lot of what Trump wastes time and energy and political capital on, because it's vain, stupid, and pointless.

But at least it's not actively destroying our country and pretending that the attaboys we get in return are the true worth of our nation.

[Cisairse]

Before Kamala became his running mate I was thinking NO, now it's gonna be a NO from me. I may hate Trump more, but that doesn't mean the Democrats have earned my vote either.

I don't see what the big deal is. When has a VP ever defined a presidency?

2001-2009

and every time a VP ever was elected President, including potentially this year

[95X]

…that doesn't mean the Democrats have earned my vote either.

As someone who looked into issues Biden's campaign staff says Biden would support and really did start to think "maybe Biden wouldn't be so bad after all and I might vote for a major party for the first time in a very long time", my initial reaction was "Biden may have just handed the election to Trump".

And I completely realize looking at economic and public health perspectives, we're not even sure if the country will last until November, much less until November, 2024.

(For the record, I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 and 2020 Democratic Primaries in the state I lived in at the time said primaries took place.)

[Crockerland]

When your Presidential candidate is in his late 70's.... Yes it does.

And so is Trump. Is anyone basing a vote for Trump off of how they feel about Pence?

Yes. Trump specifically picked Pence for the exact reason that he wanted to win over the votes of Trump-skeptical Conservatives and avoid a vote split from the Never-Trumpers.

[Rusozak]

And so is Trump. Is anyone basing a vote for Trump off of how they feel about Pence?

Yes. Trump specifically picked Pence for the exact reason that he wanted to win over the votes of Trump-skeptical Conservatives and avoid a vote split from the Never-Trumpers.

I always thought the Pence pick was to deter impeachment. Pence seemed like the only person worse than Trump back then.