What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[MGTOWia]

Mike Dukakis 1988: I'm so far ahead in the polls, I'm sure to win in November.
Joe Biden 2020: Hold my . . . you know, the thing!

Again, you forget Trump's mentality is not as good either.
At least Biden listens to reason.

Translation: Biden listens to experts I agree with. Trump listens to experts I disagree with.

We'll see soon enough whose mentality isn't so good.

[The Alma Mater]

Again, you forget Trump's mentality is not as good either.
At least Biden listens to reason.

Translation: Biden listens to experts I agree with. Trump listens to experts I disagree with.

Trump listens to experts ? Which ones ?

[Celritannia]

Again, you forget Trump's mentality is not as good either.
At least Biden listens to reason.

Translation: Biden listens to experts I agree with. Trump listens to experts I disagree with.

We'll see soon enough whose mentality isn't so good.

Trump listens to experts, that's funny.

Experts are not political if they are genuine. Not sure what kind of experts you are refering to.

[Jedi Council]

The chance of divine intervention is unlikely to say the least.

Yet given Trump's polling deficit right now, it might take a miracle for him to turn things around.

Mike Dukakis 1988: I'm so far ahead in the polls, I'm sure to win in November.
Joe Biden 2020: Hold my . . . you know, the thing!

Joe Biden is not Dukakis, and Trump is certainly not George H.W. Bush.

Could things go tits up and Trump somehow pull 270 EC votes from his ass? Sure.

Is it likely simply because a Democrat once lost a polling lead some thirty years ago? No.

Again, you forget Trump's mentality is not as good either.
At least Biden listens to reason.

Translation: Biden listens to experts I agree with. Trump listens to experts I disagree with.

We'll see soon enough whose mentality isn't so good.

Which experts does Trump listen to? Which experts said the virus was no big deal, would be gone by summer, or that people dying in the thousands "is what it is?"

[Picairn]

Translation: Biden listens to experts I agree with. Trump listens to experts I disagree with.

We'll see soon enough whose mentality isn't so good.

Which expert told him that the virus was gonna "disappear like a miracle"?

[-Astoria-]

Again, you forget Trump's mentality is not as good either.
At least Biden listens to reason.

Translation: Biden listens to experts I agree with. Trump listens to experts I disagree with.

We'll see soon enough whose mentality isn't so good.

Since when nas Trump listened to experts?

[The Rich Port]

Kinda preaching to the choir.

Roughly 51% of American voters want Biden and 48% want Trump. Convince one group of those 150 million Americans to vote for a third party candidate and we're in business.

... Maybe find a third party candidate that doesn't suck.

You might could update your figures there scout, according to fivethirtyeight.com it's more like 50-42 and third parties are polling in the sub-1% range. This is not Burger King people, you can't have it your way, sorry but them's the breaks. A vote for a third party candidate or a no-vote is a vote for the winner, whether that's Biden or Trump.

I mean you totally can have it your way... It just seems that millions of people want a Whopper and not a Big Mac for once.

... I just realized. Does Trump like McDonald's... Because it has the name Donald in it?

[Elwher]

I have a few concerns about his student loan forgiveness plan, namely:
1. Will he mandate lower interest payments? Kinda silly to drop the payment amount only to make it up by maintaining or jacking up current interest rates.
2. Given Trump's recent executive order, can he even do this?
3. Will Congress get in his way?

2. Executive orders can be overturned by the next president in office.
3. If Congress gets a blue wave in 2020, then we'll have fun times ahead.

Sometimes. Look at how much trouble Mr. Trump is having in trying to overturn DACA.

[County Of Lienengen]

To Vote For Biden I'd need him to definitely change some of his views and become more independent. As a conservative I am not necessarily pro Biden in the first place but I feel as though he currently is too influenced by the Democratic Party and doesnt really think independently and instead seems to just jump on the bandwagon. Another issue is his stance on LGBT Sports I am strongly against letting Transgender Males Play In Female Sports and that is one of his platforms.

I really dont support Biden or Trump but personally I dont think Trump could do as much damage as Biden could

[Celritannia]

To Vote For Biden I'd need him to definitely change some of his views and become more independent. As a conservative I am not necessarily pro Biden in the first place but I feel as though he currently is too influenced by the Democratic Party and doesnt really think independently and instead seems to just jump on the bandwagon. Another issue is his stance on LGBT Sports I am strongly against letting Transgender Males Play In Female Sports and that is one of his platforms.

I really dont support Biden or Trump but personally I dont think Trump could do as much damage as Biden could

Trump has done more damage as President thus far.

[County Of Lienengen]

To Vote For Biden I'd need him to definitely change some of his views and become more independent. As a conservative I am not necessarily pro Biden in the first place but I feel as though he currently is too influenced by the Democratic Party and doesnt really think independently and instead seems to just jump on the bandwagon. Another issue is his stance on LGBT Sports I am strongly against letting Transgender Males Play In Female Sports and that is one of his platforms.

I really dont support Biden or Trump but personally I dont think Trump could do as much damage as Biden could

Trump has done more damage as President thus far.

Honestly I Disagree his handling of the coronavirus has been less than stellar and honestly just went belly up but as for the rest of his legislation not many negative things have really happened. He hasn't done substantial damage until the Coronavirus and hopefully the coronavirus will recede. Biden With his policies like Pro transgender sports or his interest in the green new deal will do much more long term damage

[Picairn]

Honestly I Disagree his handling of the coronavirus has been less than stellar and honestly just went belly up but as for the rest of his legislation not many negative things have really happened. He hasn't done substantial damage until the Coronavirus and hopefully the coronavirus will recede. Biden With his policies like Pro transgender sports or his interest in the green new deal will do much more long term damage

What long term damage will pro-transgender sports bring? As for the Green New Deal, currently it's just a non-binding resolution, an official statement basically.

[The Alma Mater]

Honestly I Disagree his handling of the coronavirus has been less than stellar and honestly just went belly up but as for the rest of his legislation not many negative things have really happened. He hasn't done substantial damage until the Coronavirus and hopefully the coronavirus will recede. Biden With his policies like Pro transgender sports or his interest in the green new deal will do much more long term damage

What long term damage will pro-transgender sports bring?

I assume he fears that "women born as women" will consistently be outperformed by "women born male"; thereby demotivating girls to pursue a career in sports.

[Celritannia]

Trump has done more damage as President thus far.

Honestly I Disagree his handling of the coronavirus has been less than stellar and honestly just went belly up but as for the rest of his legislation not many negative things have really happened. He hasn't done substantial damage until the Coronavirus and hopefully the coronavirus will recede. Biden With his policies like Pro transgender sports or his interest in the green new deal will do much more long term damage

YEs, because caring about the environment is such a damaging aspect compared to, lets say, Trump Zero Tolerance policy which led to migrant children being ripped from their parents arms and placed in unsanitary detention centres.

[Galloism]

Boosted benefits for the unemployed?

That was Congress, not Trump.
And I would not call it a boost either, compared to other countries.

Trump has done so again unilaterally without congress.

(Whether this is constitutional or not is another matter)

Can you tell me what other country gives $800+ a week in unemployment benefits?

[Des-Bal]

Trump has done so again unilaterally without congress.

(Whether this is constitutional or not is another matter)

Can you tell me what other country gives $800+ a week in unemployment benefits?

It's just as accurate to say he attempted to hamstring additional unemployment benefits. He said $400 in unemployment benefits so democrats would be less disposed to continue fighting for $600.

[Galloism]

Trump has done so again unilaterally without congress.

(Whether this is constitutional or not is another matter)

Can you tell me what other country gives $800+ a week in unemployment benefits?

It's just as accurate to say he attempted to hamstring additional unemployment benefits. He said $400 in unemployment benefits so democrats would be less disposed to continue fighting for $600.

Honestly, I think it’s to bait them into suing to block money to the disadvantaged or, alternatively, accept the constitutional overreach.

[Des-Bal]

Honestly, I think it’s to bait them into suing to block money to the disadvantaged or, alternatively, accept the constitutional overreach.

I think it's more desperate. If the republicans were able to get a second COVID bill through before benefits ran out they could definitely get away with not continuing the unemployment bonus. Right now, they're fighting over the bill while american citizens including their constituents are out of work and running out of money. We're getting dangerously close to public upheaval and you don't want to be the guy arguing businesses need money more than people when the people start sharpening pitchforks.

[Fahran]

What did he do in the way of actions for support of gay people?

Saying you support it is simply words and trump likes to say whatever pops into his head at the nanosecond.

His words are as valuable as belly button lint.

We couldn't get presidents to give us anything beyond words prior to Obama. He has launched a campaign to decriminalize homosexuality globally and has actually requested additional funding for AIDS research nationally. At the moment, his principal rival in the election is probably more pro-LGBT+ than him in terms of actual policy proposals but then Biden is the one who forced Obama's hand on the issue previously. It's not at all contentious to argue that Trump did better on this issue than the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, or Nixon.

What he did in the past is not the same as his actions as President.

I am asking, as President, what has he done that is progressive. What policies has he put forward?
Simply saying "he hasn't done this and that" does not mean he is progressive, it just means he hasn't targeted some issues other Presidents have.

Things he has not done in comparison to others does not make him progressive.

They actually do. If you're going to paint someone as far-right on social issues, you ought to have actual evidence that this is in fact true. We couldn't get Bill Clinton or George W. Bush to even come out in favor of same-sex marriage in the early 2000s. And, if you had read all the way through, you'd see that Trump actually supported additional regulation of firearms as well.

Beyond that, he requested additional funding for AIDS research on the national level, initiated a campaign to decriminalize homosexuality globally, proposed an expansion to maternal leave, extended unemployment benefits, and reformed corporate tax structure to bring us in line with Europe - well, that was probably one of his suboordinates. He's not as progressive as Obama, but he's a good deal more progressive on social and economic matters than most recent Republicans. Like I said, he's a neoliberal who flirts with nationalism and occasionally panders to religious Boomers. Had he run as a Democrat, he'd probably be almost indistinguishable from Biden because he'd be catering to progressives and workers instead of conservatives and businesses.

That said, much of this is irrelevant when it comes to actual competence or goodness.

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I have come to the conclusion that voting for Biden is a harm reduction measure. A very weak one to be sure but it's something. If I wasn't from the biggest swing state in the country I would be less inclined to do it, but I can't pretend that no material conditions would improve if Trump were removed. So I'm going to vote Biden. God dammit.

[Fahran]

I have come to the conclusion that voting for Biden is a harm reduction measure. A very weak one to be sure but it's something. If I wasn't from the biggest swing state in the country I would be less inclined to do it, but I can't pretend that no material conditions would improve if Trump were removed. So I'm going to vote Biden. God dammit.

Biden has some decent proposals in all honesty, especially when it comes to addressing a lot of the issues that have plagued black communities across the United States. Additionally, Trump seems to be angling to cut social security benefits with his payroll tax proposal. There are plenty of reasons to vote for Biden and I don't really think anyone needs to feel ashamed of voting in a way as long as they can justify it to themselves and they know what they're talking about.

[Euroslavia]

What would it take for me to vote for Biden?

Sunlight appearing on Earth, the day of the election.
My partner snoring for at least 5 minutes straight the night before.
My eyes to remain light blue until Election Day.
One of my cats rubbing their face on my hat.

[The Black Forrest]

What did he do in the way of actions for support of gay people?

Saying you support it is simply words and trump likes to say whatever pops into his head at the nanosecond.

His words are as valuable as belly button lint.

We couldn't get presidents to give us anything beyond words prior to Obama. He has launched a campaign to decriminalize homosexuality globally and has actually requested additional funding for AIDS research nationally. At the moment, his principal rival in the election is probably more pro-LGBT+ than him in terms of actual policy proposals but then Biden is the one who forced Obama's hand on the issue previously. It's not at all contentious to argue that Trump did better on this issue than the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, or Nixon.

Hmmm? Are you referring to the incident of Iran hanging a homosexual? Overlooking it plays into the narrative or Iran is really a bad bad man; what has he done since 2019 on that front?

As to AIDS? Are you referring to where he asked for a couple hundred million for internal research and then cut over a billion for external help?

Words and not exactly an example of doing a better job.

[Fahran]

So Kamala Harris...?

[Kowani]

And Boom, look at that.