What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[New haven america]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

Biden isn't left and he hasn't moved left.

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Like, you may not like it, but modern Liberalism is a left-wing ideology and has been for the past 200-300 something years. It may not be as far to the left as you might like, but saying it's not currently a left-wing idea is downright factually incorrect at best.

[Anti Defense League]

Cut all ties with the terrorist state of Israel, including military aid and diplomatic aid/cover. The plight of Palestinians is something the U.S. Left really needs to start taking seriously and forcing members of Congress to get behind BDS legislation. Outside of that, I want Universal Healthcare, the repeal of Taft-Hartley as well as tax free status on Union dues, the end of non-compete agreements/prevention of class action arbitration by employers, and something like Warren's or Bernie's plan for requiring corporations to reserve their boards for worker representatives.

Ideally, I'd love it if we got AI-managed National Bolshevism for the benefit of the people, but I don't see that happening realistically.....yet.

[Broader Confederate States]

I guess I don't exactly count as a leftist, but I used to side with the Democratic Party (and would continue to do so if they didn't go off the "wars are good if Trump doesn't like them" end), so I'll go with that angle:

maybe if he wasn't senile.

These are our options, a narcissistic, chronically wrong neoliberal people can't see the neoliberalism of and a senile old man clearly pushed into this whose eyes' blood vessels burst on stage?
Congrats guys, you guys got me to vote Cthulu 2020
Also, lighten up on the gun grabbing. Karl Marx would be rolling around loading an automatic rifle in his grave.

[Nazis in Space]

maybe if he wasn't senile.

What does it feel like to base your opinion on facebook posts and not, say, actually listening to his speeches or his debate performance?

[Broader Confederate States]

maybe if he wasn't senile.

What does it feel like to base your opinion on facebook posts and not, say, actually listening to his speeches or his debate performance?

Remember that time he confused New Hampshire with Vermont? Or Iowa with Vermont? I do. Hell, in several of those debates he demonstrated his inability to keep a consistent train of thought. Biden is not the hill to die on, he's a corporate warmongering neolib, years closer to expiring in office than the opposition, but he has a D next to his name so that makes him mankind's savior or something?

[Region of Dwipantara]

What does it feel like to base your opinion on facebook posts and not, say, actually listening to his speeches or his debate performance?

Remember that time he confused New Hampshire with Vermont? Or Iowa with Vermont? I do. Hell, in several of those debates he demonstrated his inability to keep a consistent train of thought. Biden is not the hill to die on, he's a corporate warmongering neolib, years closer to expiring in office than the opposition, but he has a D next to his name so that makes him mankind's savior or something?

I'd predict Biden in power = some form of collective leadership. From a non-American point of view who only care about a stable governance in the US, that isn't really a bad thing.

[Ngelmish]

Biden isn't left and he hasn't moved left.

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Like, you may not like it, but modern Liberalism is a left-wing ideology and has been for the past 200-300 something years. It may not be as far to the left as you might like, but saying it's not currently a left-wing idea is downright factually incorrect at best.

It's about defining the starting point of left politics as out of reach of where any particular Democratic nominee is. Even if they do move left, it's not really moving left, because they don't get to wherever left is. It's basically gatekeeping. The emphases of why real left is so far away differ from person to person, of course.

In this case, one of Blargo's other repeated lines of thought, "The only way I'd maybe vote for Biden is if he put a real progressive in as his running mate like Bernie Sanders..." says it all.

[Neutraligon]

Cut all ties with the terrorist state of Israel, including military aid and diplomatic aid/cover. The plight of Palestinians is something the U.S. Left really needs to start taking seriously and forcing members of Congress to get behind BDS legislation. Outside of that, I want Universal Healthcare, the repeal of Taft-Hartley as well as tax free status on Union dues, the end of non-compete agreements/prevention of class action arbitration by employers, and something like Warren's or Bernie's plan for requiring corporations to reserve their boards for worker representatives.

Ideally, I'd love it if we got AI-managed National Bolshevism for the benefit of the people, but I don't see that happening realistically.....yet.

*** You are DOS and unwelcome here ***

[Thermodolia]

Biden isn't left and he hasn't moved left.

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Like, you may not like it, but modern Liberalism is a left-wing ideology and has been for the past 200-300 something years. It may not be as far to the left as you might like, but saying it's not currently a left-wing idea is downright factually incorrect at best.

Ya Biden is pretty left wing. Or at least compared to the past few presidents and candidates.

Compared to Ike/FDR he’s right wing but he’s definitely to the left of Clinton, Reagan, Bush and co.

Tbh I’d say he’s more in line with Kennedy and the Rockefeller Republicans of old. But that just shows you how far right this country has gotten when Kennedy is considered far left, hell ike would be shunned by the GOP for being too pro union

[The Alma Mater]

Biden isn't left and he hasn't moved left.

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Probably because in many countries the liberals simply are a right wing party ? Relevant to that countries spectrum of course.

[Diopolis]

I wouldn't really consider them good sources of journalism in a vacuum for the same reasons I don't grab Mother Jones or The American Spectator as authoritative sources. I'd go for Reuters, NPR, or The Wall Street Journal or else I'd go for a variety of sources. I don't think some of the sources mentioned are even good or honest as far as left-wing sources go and they definitely won't challenge your assumptions about the world in many cases.

Biased sources can be okay if they source their claims and rely on fact-based journalism to generate their opinions. I'd say Jacobin, for instance, while certainly a good deal more left than I am, has some solid articles up their sleeves and does source / use concrete evidence to back themselves up. You could say the same for right-biased sources such as the Nat Review or Reason.

Sources with institutionalized biases are usually better about that, to their credit, than sources that try to be unbiased(and usually fail anyways).
That doesn't mean that biased sources are inherently more trustworthy- huffpo is still a rag, for instance- but it does mean that several high-quality biased sources is usually a better way to get your news than a single more neutral source.

[Auristania]

I would have to be a USA citizen. If Biden wins and invades Britain, then I might be a citizen.

[Solvokina]

Biden isn't left and he hasn't moved left.

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Like, you may not like it, but modern Liberalism is a left-wing ideology and has been for the past 200-300 something years. It may not be as far to the left as you might like, but saying it's not currently a left-wing idea is downright factually incorrect at best.

Liberalism is still a blanket term. The Democrats aren't left, they are Neo-lib's who only care about the market. In the USA you either vote for Neo-Con's or Neo-Lib's, there is no actual left-wing party/labour party

[Broader Confederate States]

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Like, you may not like it, but modern Liberalism is a left-wing ideology and has been for the past 200-300 something years. It may not be as far to the left as you might like, but saying it's not currently a left-wing idea is downright factually incorrect at best.

Liberalism is still a blanket term. The Democrats aren't left, they are Neo-lib's who only care about the market. In the USA you either vote for Neo-Con's or Neo-Lib's, there is no actual left-wing party/labour party

There are, actually, there are quite a few. It's just that Americans don't like full-on socialist or communist politics besides the fringe of the fringe who spend all their time on Twitter.

[Atheris]

I would have to be a USA citizen. If Biden wins and invades Britain, then I might be a citizen.

I'm so sorry you're british (I refuse to capitalize it).

/joking (in case it wasn't obvious)

[Thermodolia]

Liberalism is still a blanket term. The Democrats aren't left, they are Neo-lib's who only care about the market. In the USA you either vote for Neo-Con's or Neo-Lib's, there is no actual left-wing party/labour party

There are, actually, there are quite a few.

CPUSA doesn’t count and neither does the Green Party.

It's just that Americans don't like full-on socialist or communist politics besides the fringe of the fringe who spend all their time on Twitter.

Ya that’s not really true at all.

[Atheris]

There are, actually, there are quite a few.

CPUSA doesn’t count and neither does the Green Party.

...How doesn't the CPUSA count? They're literally a Marxist-Leninist party an advocate for a specifically American brand of socialism, called 'Bill of Rights socialism'.

[Region of Dwipantara]

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Like, you may not like it, but modern Liberalism is a left-wing ideology and has been for the past 200-300 something years. It may not be as far to the left as you might like, but saying it's not currently a left-wing idea is downright factually incorrect at best.

Liberalism is still a blanket term. The Democrats aren't left, they are Neo-lib's who only care about the market. In the USA you either vote for Neo-Con's or Neo-Lib's, there is no actual left-wing party/labour party

Aren't primaries a thing? To be honest, I prefer US's system (but only on that area) than here where all of the 9 parties are more or less exactly the same and follows the whim of their respective immovable party oligarchs. (Well, the difference is only in Islamist vs. Nationalist, but after each election, those differences cease to exist.)

[Nazis in Space]

Remember that time he confused New Hampshire with Vermont? Or Iowa with Vermont? I do. Hell, in several of those debates he demonstrated his inability to keep a consistent train of thought. Biden is not the hill to die on, he's a corporate warmongering neolib, years closer to expiring in office than the opposition, but he has a D next to his name so that makes him mankind's savior or something?

Y'know what? Let's everyone decide for themselves.

's far as I can see, that speech's more coherent, civil and content-laden than the combined output of the far left.

By an order of magnitude or two.

And I mean the media, not the screeching on NS. The latter barely registers as human speech.

I don't get this line of thought nor do I understand why certain people... feel the need to constantly repeat it every chance they get.

Probably because in many countries the liberals simply are a right wing party ? Relevant to that countries spectrum of course.

Such as? Don't be vague. Name the countries where the liberal party would allegedly be a right-wing party.

And if you're not referring to Liberal Party of New York but to the Democratic Party, kindly use the correct term. As much as I appreciate the hilarity inherent to the adoption of the classic oughts right-wing insult of 'Liberal' by the left wing (and it's certainly not the only talking point the far left has happily adopted from the right), we are beholden to certain standards here.

Oh, and still name the countries where the Dems would allegedly be 'Right-wing'.

[Solvokina]

Liberalism is still a blanket term. The Democrats aren't left, they are Neo-lib's who only care about the market. In the USA you either vote for Neo-Con's or Neo-Lib's, there is no actual left-wing party/labour party

There are, actually, there are quite a few. It's just that Americans don't like full-on socialist or communist politics besides the fringe of the fringe who spend all their time on Twitter.

Doesn't count. I'm talking about the Dems

[Atheris]

And I mean the media, not the screeching on NS. The latter barely registers as human speech.

Framing this on the Awesome Quotes thread.

[Thermodolia]

CPUSA doesn’t count and neither does the Green Party.

...How doesn't the CPUSA count? They're literally a Marxist-Leninist party an advocate for a specifically American brand of socialism, called 'Bill of Rights socialism'.

The retirement home for the FBI doesn’t count

[Atheris]

...How doesn't the CPUSA count? They're literally a Marxist-Leninist party an advocate for a specifically American brand of socialism, called 'Bill of Rights socialism'.

The retirement home for the FBI doesn’t count

What?

Honestly, NiS was right earlier. Are you speaking English?

[Thermodolia]

Remember that time he confused New Hampshire with Vermont? Or Iowa with Vermont? I do. Hell, in several of those debates he demonstrated his inability to keep a consistent train of thought. Biden is not the hill to die on, he's a corporate warmongering neolib, years closer to expiring in office than the opposition, but he has a D next to his name so that makes him mankind's savior or something?

Y'know what? Let's everyone decide for themselves.

's far as I can see, that speech's more coherent, civil and content-laden than the combined output of the far left.

By an order of magnitude or two.

And I mean the media, not the screeching on NS. The latter barely registers as human speech.

Probably because in many countries the liberals simply are a right wing party ? Relevant to that countries spectrum of course.

Such as? Don't be vague. Name the countries where the liberal party would allegedly be a right-wing party.

And if you're not referring to Liberal Party of New York but to the Democratic Party, kindly use the correct term. As much as I appreciate the hilarity inherent to the adoption of the classic oughts right-wing insult of 'Liberal' by the left wing (and it's certainly not the only talking point the far left has happily adopted from the right), we are beholden to certain standards here.

Oh, and still name the countries where the Dems would allegedly be 'Right-wing'.

China, DRPK, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos. The democrats are all definitely right wing in those countries.

[Thermodolia]

The retirement home for the FBI doesn’t count

What?

It’s a joke dude. CPUSA was so flooded with undercover FBI agents that’s it’s become a bit of a running joke to say they are the retirement home for the FBI

Honestly, NiS was right earlier. Are you speaking English?

Huh? What does NiS have to do with anything here?