What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[South Odreria 2]

Jacobin is one of the more left-wing sources I trust, along with Common Dreams, The Intercept, In These Times, and Current Affairs.

Aren't most of these lefty rags with pretty overt biases?

He called them leftwing news sources and you’re asking if they have leftwing bias?

[Fahran]

He called them leftwing news sources and you’re asking if they have leftwing bias?

I wouldn't really consider them good sources of journalism in a vacuum for the same reasons I don't grab Mother Jones or The American Spectator as authoritative sources. I'd go for Reuters, NPR, or The Wall Street Journal or else I'd go for a variety of sources. I don't think some of the sources mentioned are even good or honest as far as left-wing sources go and they definitely won't challenge your assumptions about the world in many cases.

[South Odreria 2]

He called them leftwing news sources and you’re asking if they have leftwing bias?

I wouldn't really consider them good sources of journalism in a vacuum for the same reasons I don't grab Mother Jones or The American Spectator as authoritative sources. I'd go for Reuters, NPR, or The Wall Street Journal or else I'd go for a variety of sources. I don't think some of the sources mentioned are even good or honest as far as left-wing sources go and they definitely won't challenge your assumptions about the world in many cases.

Well yes, the only actual news source he listed is The Intercept. It has broken multiple big stories and a lot of smaller stuff and is as far as I can tell wifey respected investigative journalism. I don’t read common dreams or in these times because they’re really just partisan rags, but jacobin and current affairs are very high quality political commentary. As for challenging ones assumptions about the world, it would depend on what those assumptions are.

[Cisairse]

3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.

Worst idea of all. The DNC is not proportional, and it should be, but it does largely represent state parties ... ie the grassroots of the party. Also elected members, which I don't mind: they were selected from among other Democrats at the primary stage.

I'd use the number of registered Democrats in each state, to set the voting power of their state party's representation in the DNC. If possible, get that on the Presidential ballot every four years, or the mid-term ballot. Though this probably wouldn't be possible, and it would have to be at primary elections (where state parties can limit the voting to registered Dems). Perhaps select some more from a list to make the DNC more nearly proportional to the national Democrat vote.

The DNC should live up to its name, and be more democratic. Not LESS, by somehow appointing 45% leftists.

They already do something like this, dude. States are given delegates based on the number of votes for the Democratic candidate in the last presidential election.

[Elwher]

thread poll is biased against trump
trump wins anyway
my sides

Not really, the two Biden entries combine to beat him. Just different reasons for making the same choice.

[Blargoblarg]

thread poll is biased against trump
trump wins anyway
my sides

Not really, the two Biden entries combine to beat him. Just different reasons for making the same choice.

The "I can't vote" option appears to be beating them all.

[The Rich Port]

thread poll is biased against trump
trump wins anyway
my sides

Uh oh someone's bad at math.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Not really, the two Biden entries combine to beat him. Just different reasons for making the same choice.

The "I can't vote" option appears to be beating them all.

I guess 30% of NSG are American but too young to vote, another 30% aren't even American. Surprised "I can't vote" isn't higher.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Worst idea of all. The DNC is not proportional, and it should be, but it does largely represent state parties ... ie the grassroots of the party. Also elected members, which I don't mind: they were selected from among other Democrats at the primary stage.

I'd use the number of registered Democrats in each state, to set the voting power of their state party's representation in the DNC. If possible, get that on the Presidential ballot every four years, or the mid-term ballot. Though this probably wouldn't be possible, and it would have to be at primary elections (where state parties can limit the voting to registered Dems). Perhaps select some more from a list to make the DNC more nearly proportional to the national Democrat vote.

The DNC should live up to its name, and be more democratic. Not LESS, by somehow appointing 45% leftists.

They already do something like this, dude. States are given delegates based on the number of votes for the Democratic candidate in the last presidential election.

"Dude" ... that's delegates to the Convention, not election of the DNC.

The DNC could be more democratic, say by appointing delegates ONLY the way delegates to the convention are selected. As it is, state chairs (of state parties) and their deputies get a seat: that is representation by state (like the US Senate) and not actually proportional to voters.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

thread poll is biased against trump
trump wins anyway
my sides

First past the Post, he sort of does.
However, Biden's vote is split between two versions of the same person. This never happens in real life.

Just between the two of them, it's:
Biden 56.3%
Trump 43.7%

[Nobel Hobos 2]

This was probably posted before, pardon me.

The Morning Consult (538 B/C) asks RV's about Biden's VP pick

Seems that what matters a lot to General doesn't matter much to voters.

[Cisairse]

This was probably posted before, pardon me.

The Morning Consult (538 B/C) asks RV's about Biden's VP pick

Seems that what matters a lot to General doesn't matter much to voters.

I'm not sure if you can draw any conclusions from this poll at all. The only thing it seems to say concretely is that voters have probably heard of Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and probably haven't heard of most anyone else.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

This was probably posted before, pardon me.

The Morning Consult (538 B/C) asks RV's about Biden's VP pick

Seems that what matters a lot to General doesn't matter much to voters.

I'm not sure if you can draw any conclusions from this poll at all. The only thing it seems to say concretely is that voters have probably heard of Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and probably haven't heard of most anyone else.

Yeah? The women with most name recognition also tended to help the ticket more. But not much more (VP doesn't much matter).

I think it would be fair to say that whoever does get picked will then get very high name recognition, cancelling out whatever weak effect is in the ticket poll.

What I hope Biden doesn't see there is that he should pick Harris. She's unpopular with BLM-aligned people who are going to be influential, and perhaps even with black voters.

[American Pere Housh]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

[Uiiop]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

He moved further left? News to me. He called anarchist bad. /half-joking

[Cannot think of a name]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

Some light reading for your lightweight talking points.

[Major-Tom]

He called them leftwing news sources and you’re asking if they have leftwing bias?

I wouldn't really consider them good sources of journalism in a vacuum for the same reasons I don't grab Mother Jones or The American Spectator as authoritative sources. I'd go for Reuters, NPR, or The Wall Street Journal or else I'd go for a variety of sources. I don't think some of the sources mentioned are even good or honest as far as left-wing sources go and they definitely won't challenge your assumptions about the world in many cases.

Biased sources can be okay if they source their claims and rely on fact-based journalism to generate their opinions. I'd say Jacobin, for instance, while certainly a good deal more left than I am, has some solid articles up their sleeves and does source / use concrete evidence to back themselves up. You could say the same for right-biased sources such as the Nat Review or Reason.

[Jedi Council]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

Biden is inherently more appealing to moderates than Trump. Unless he starts calling people comrade, wearing a suspicious amount of red, and proposing numerous five year plans, I think he'll be fine in that department.

[Genivaria]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

When did Biden move left?

[Genivaria]

Biden voters in a nutshell.

[Thermodolia]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

When did Biden move left?

Right? I’m like seriously dude I wish

[Thermodolia]

Biden voters in a nutshell.

(Image)

Let’s see if I can do that without naming Trump.

1. He likes Trains
2. He has a sense of humor
3.

Well shit that’s all I got

[New haven america]

Biden voters in a nutshell.

(Image)

Let’s see if I can do that without naming Trump.

1. He likes Trains
2. He has a sense of humor
3.

Well shit that’s all I got

Been a advocate for LGBT rights and liberties for the past 15 years, historical coalition builder, has chosen to work with Bernie and branch the Progressive and Liberal sides of the Dem Party, etc...

[Thermodolia]

Let’s see if I can do that without naming Trump.

1. He likes Trains
2. He has a sense of humor
3.

Well shit that’s all I got

Been a advocate for LGBT rights and liberties for the past 15 years, historical coalition builder, has chosen to work with Bernie and branch the Progressive and Liberal sides of the Dem Party, etc...

You can’t expect my brain to actually function at this hour

[Blargoblarg]

You could offer me all the money in the world and I still wouldn't vote for Biden. The key to winning a presidential election is the moderate vote so if Biden continues moving further left, he will lose the moderate vote.

Biden isn't left and he hasn't moved left.