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How do you plan to vote? (Someone asked for this poll)

Biden (because I support Biden)
106
8%
Biden (because he's the lesser of two evils)
254
19%
Trump (for some reason)
264
20%
Third Party (or Independent)
117
9%
Write-In (maybe Bernie)
33
2%
I don't know right now
33
2%
I don't know (but I am not voting for Biden and/or Trump)
27
2%
I don't plan to vote
31
2%
I am against electoral politics
49
4%
I can't vote (under voting age, not a citizen, disenfrancisement, etc...)
428
32%
 
Total votes : 1342

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Postby Picairn » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:57 am

What is it with people wanting to install a religious agenda into political campaigns? Do they care more about the execution of their agenda or the results of the policies pushed?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:03 am

Sundiata wrote:
Kannap wrote:
And as a country where people belong to every Christian denomination as well as being home to Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and a variety of other religions, how is Biden going to bring everlasting peace with Catholicism?

In short, by subsidizing Catholic institutions.

See here.

Hell no. In fact those churches should be required to repay that money to the state. The government should not be funding religion
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:11 am

Sundiata wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
While.I applaud those ideals, I cannot help but notice that in the 2000 years the church has been around it has never been able to achieve any of those goals, even if they actually controlled the country.

Unfortunately, the state has hardly ever answered to the morality of the church. In the case of the papal states, control was always contested. It's a shame, really.

At least with Joe Biden, there's hope of making tangible progress.


Well it's a good thing church is separated from state.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:15 am

Rusozak wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Unfortunately, the state has hardly ever answered to the morality of the church. In the case of the papal states, control was always contested. It's a shame, really.

At least with Joe Biden, there's hope of making tangible progress.


Well it's a good thing church is separated from state.

Not that the GOP Evangelical tag team hasn't been trying to destroy it for their personal benefit. No state funded madrassas!
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:18 am

Sundiata wrote:
Kannap wrote:
And as a country where people belong to every Christian denomination as well as being home to Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and a variety of other religions, how is Biden going to bring everlasting peace with Catholicism?

In short, by subsidizing Catholic institutions.

See here.


You didn't answer my question. Not everybody is Catholic and you can't force everybody to be Catholic. So, again, how is putting Catholicism on a pedestal going to be creating peace between people of all religions and why would Biden want to do something like this? (Hint: he doesn't)
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:21 am

Sundiata wrote:
Kannap wrote:
And as a country where people belong to every Christian denomination as well as being home to Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and a variety of other religions, how is Biden going to bring everlasting peace with Catholicism?

In short, by subsidizing Catholic institutions.

See here.


You could also just tell employers to automatically withold an appropriate tithe from their employees salaries and pay that directly to the church.
Of course, one should not mention who first formally legalised that.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:22 am

Sundiata wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
While.I applaud those ideals, I cannot help but notice that in the 2000 years the church has been around it has never been able to achieve any of those goals, even if they actually controlled the country.

Unfortunately, the state has hardly ever answered to the morality of the church. In the case of the papal states, control was always contested. It's a shame, really.

At least with Joe Biden, there's hope of making tangible progress.


So Joe BIden is going to turn America into a theocracy and force everybody to be happy Catholics?

Thank God that isn't true, because I'd be openly and happily "Never Biden" if that were the case.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:24 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Sundiata wrote:In short, by subsidizing Catholic institutions.

See here.


You could also just tell employers to automatically withold an appropriate tithe from their employees salaries and pay that directly to the church.
Of course, one should not mention who first formally legalised that.


Wait, what?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:32 am

Kannap wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
You could also just tell employers to automatically withold an appropriate tithe from their employees salaries and pay that directly to the church.
Of course, one should not mention who first formally legalised that.


Wait, what?


It is called Kirchensteuer, and has been around for a while in Germany.
Hitler formalised it (though it was around well before him unofficially).
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:35 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Wait, what?


It is called Kirchensteuer, and has been around for a while in Germany.
Hitler formalised it (though it was around well before him unofficially).


Sounds like a bad idea, and the government shouldn't dictate it either. I don't think churches should receive federal funding, especially when they're tax exempt, but should be funded via donations from the congregation or community.

But this is getting off topic a bit, I'm just waiting to hear how Sundiata thinks Biden will deliver a perfect Catholic theocracy.
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Postby Nuroblav » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:39 am

Sundiata wrote:In short, by subsidizing Catholic institutions.

See here.

Yay, let's put religion on a pedestal because that will totally end well.
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Postby Cokoland » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:44 am

Im feeling like Trump might do something thats f*cked up and screw us all in a way
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Postby Fedel » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:48 am

He would need to actually address the suppression of protected speech by major tech companies tbh. At this point, private entities are allowed to suppress whatever speech they so desire. This is fine for small platforms like here on NationStates for example, but is rather worrisome for sites like Facebook and Twitter that control a vast majority of the online discourse ( itself a significant chunk of all discourse that occurs within the US ).

I would say that if a tech company has more than a certain number of users from the U.S., they should be subject to having to allow protected speech to take place.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:58 am

Sundiata wrote:Joe Biden is a Catholic, and despite his past mistakes and flaws, I sincerely believe that the Lord can use him as a vessel for a properly Catholic public-policy agenda.

Towards this end, Trump has largely failed but Biden, Biden can be nudged. There is great potential in him.

We can achieve universal healthcare coverage in America.
We can end homelessness.
We can truly eliminate poverty once and for all.

There will finally be true order in the United States of America.

Fuck that.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:03 am

Nothing now. I don't really like Biden, but Trump must go. Trump's mishandling of this pandemic is unforgivable in and of itself.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:12 am

Fedel wrote:He would need to actually address the suppression of protected speech by major tech companies tbh. At this point, private entities are allowed to suppress whatever speech they so desire. This is fine for small platforms like here on NationStates for example, but is rather worrisome for sites like Facebook and Twitter that control a vast majority of the online discourse ( itself a significant chunk of all discourse that occurs within the US ).

I would say that if a tech company has more than a certain number of users from the U.S., they should be subject to having to allow protected speech to take place.

Protected speech is suicide for social media platforms in light of Trump crying about wanting do do away with Section 230.
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Postby Fedel » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:13 am

Gormwood wrote:
Fedel wrote:He would need to actually address the suppression of protected speech by major tech companies tbh. At this point, private entities are allowed to suppress whatever speech they so desire. This is fine for small platforms like here on NationStates for example, but is rather worrisome for sites like Facebook and Twitter that control a vast majority of the online discourse ( itself a significant chunk of all discourse that occurs within the US ).

I would say that if a tech company has more than a certain number of users from the U.S., they should be subject to having to allow protected speech to take place.

Protected speech is suicide for social media platforms in light of Trump crying about wanting do do away with Section 230.


I agree which is why I would definitely be against Section 230's removal. I might be wrong on this but I heard Biden was for removing Section 230 as well?

I heard about it from here btw ( I've seen others accuse people of coming up with "rumors" on their own so I wanted to nip that in the bud ):

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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:26 am

New Bremerton wrote:[*]Maintain a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific. Preside over the expansion of NATO into NAIPTO (North Atlantic and Indo-Pacific Treaty Organization) to include Australia, Japan, India, and other allies in a bid to contain Chinese neocolonial aggression.

[*]Pledge to address male suicide, male rape in prisons, domestic violence against men and boys, the anti-male bias in divorce proceedings, and other men's issues.

[*]Issue a Stay-At-Home executive order and adopt South Korea's tried and tested methods to tackle the coronavirus and save lives. Even a draconian Malaysian-style lockdown, where anyone caught violating the lockdown is arrested and charged on the spot with a maximum two-year jail sentence, is better than nothing.

[*]Gradually implement universal healthcare at the local level starting with a handful of major, Democrat-voting cities, with only residents of areas covered by the pilot scheme required to pay the necessary taxes. If successful politically and in practice, begin rolling it out to the suburbs, and finally, the rest of the country. Immunize the United States against future pandemics.

[*]Left-wing, social democratic, economic policies such as the above should be phased in gradually and not implemented overnight. Such policies should aim to uplift the poor and economically disenfranchised regardless of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc, etc. No woke, PC, affirmative action, please.

[*]Adopt Andrew Yang's Freedom Dividend and implement a U.S.$1000/month Universal Basic Income for all U.S. citizens.

[*]Embrace thorium nuclear power as a solution to climate change. Rejoin the 2016 Paris Agreement on Climate Change.

[*]Sever all ties with Saudi Arabia, impose sanctions, and repudiate the genocidal War on Yemen, but maintain Trump's current policy of hostility toward Iran. Put an end to the Saudi-sponsored export of Wahhabism/Salafism of the Zakir Naik sort. This toxic, theocratic ideology is poisoning the Malaysian well where I live.

[*]Mend trade relations with Europe, Japan and other reliable, democratic allies and lift all trade tariffs against them, but continue to maintain trade tariffs against China.

[*]Enact judicial reforms. The power to nominate Supreme Court Justices should fall to an independent commission answerable only to the Senate to avoid any further politicization of the judiciary. Justices must be nominated by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators. The President shall play no such role.

CORRECTION: Justices nominated by the Independent Commission must be approved, not nominated, by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators.


These proposals seem reasonable, if not politically feasible.
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Postby Sundiata » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:59 am

Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:
Sundiata wrote:"Desire nothing for yourself, either good or bad. For yourself, want only what God wants."
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Then it is not a faithful Catholics decision to judge which candidate or country shall serve God or be judged by God rightly. It is no mans place to decide which candidate or person God would ‘appoint’.

Of course not, that said we should strive to realize God's will on earth.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:31 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Then it is not a faithful Catholics decision to judge which candidate or country shall serve God or be judged by God rightly. It is no mans place to decide which candidate or person God would ‘appoint’.

Of course not, that said we should strive to realize God's will on earth.

Are you the type who wants to change the Constitution to establish an official church?
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:46 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Then it is not a faithful Catholics decision to judge which candidate or country shall serve God or be judged by God rightly. It is no mans place to decide which candidate or person God would ‘appoint’.

Of course not, that said we should strive to realize God's will on earth.

You sound exactly like an Evangelical Trump supporter.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:37 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Of course not, that said we should strive to realize God's will on earth.

You sound exactly like an Evangelical Trump supporter.

He’s a Catholic Biden supporter
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:34 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kannap wrote:
My heart also thinks its okay to murder people who annoy me but rest assured the law says otherwise

The love I'm referring to is not a whimsical, self-interested, or one-sided sort of love. In the grand scheme of things, it is the law. I would be failing as a citizen if I didn't work to bring my country to lasting peace, harmony, and stability in this life and the next.

Wanting to see your religion supreme over others is absolutely self-interested.
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Postby No State Here » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:44 pm

Allow me to own any kind of gun I want, have the freedom to say and do whatever I want as long as it doesn’t physically harm others, and uphold the constitution
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:32 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Of course not, that said we should strive to realize God's will on earth.

You sound exactly like an Evangelical Trump supporter.

You sound exactly like a Hindu fundamentalist Buttigieg supporter
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