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How do you plan to vote? (Someone asked for this poll)

Biden (because I support Biden)
106
8%
Biden (because he's the lesser of two evils)
254
19%
Trump (for some reason)
264
20%
Third Party (or Independent)
117
9%
Write-In (maybe Bernie)
33
2%
I don't know right now
33
2%
I don't know (but I am not voting for Biden and/or Trump)
27
2%
I don't plan to vote
31
2%
I am against electoral politics
49
4%
I can't vote (under voting age, not a citizen, disenfrancisement, etc...)
428
32%
 
Total votes : 1342

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:46 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Looks like Trump winning is just the GOP hanging itself and Clinton losing turned out for the best. No Democratic President they can cockblock and blame this fucktastrophe on. They own 2020 like the Hope Diamond.

2016 = Bad karma meets bad karma. A loser has to win but then becomes an even bigger loser in 2020.

One thing is for sure, the idea that a business man as our president is the answer to our problems has been blown completely out of the water. That in itself is good.

Hoover, Trump... any other Republican businessman President who shot that fairy tale down?
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:06 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:2016 = Bad karma meets bad karma. A loser has to win but then becomes an even bigger loser in 2020.

One thing is for sure, the idea that a business man as our president is the answer to our problems has been blown completely out of the water. That in itself is good.

Hoover, Trump... any other Republican businessman President who shot that fairy tale down?


Hoover may be a bad example. He was a businessman but held multiple jobs in government. I am talking about a businessman with no prior gov't jobs becoming POTUS. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:15 pm

Kannap wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You seriously believe Clinton would have also dithered on a response on top of disbanding Obama's pandemic response unit and magically think the virus would miraculously vanish in the warm April air? You seriously believe Clinton would pitch unproven remedies and blame the GOP for news of the pandemic?

Good Fucking Grief. :roll:


Classic Gorm, doing what you do best: Putting words in people's mouths.

i didn't say any of that. I simply suggested over 100,000 Americans could easily still be dead

Here's some facts-
1) The US per-capita death rate is pretty middle of the pack for a western country. It's worse than Germany, Canada, or Australia, but better than Sweden, the UK, or Latin Europe.
2) The worst decisions were largely not made by president Trump. The federal bureaucracy- which was mostly not Trump appointees in this case- f'd up hard at the very beginning when they banned hospitals from administering tests. Cuomo f'd up even harder when he mandated nursing homes to take contagious covid patients. Any poor decisions Trump made utterly pale in comparison to the magnitude of those two choices.
3) Most of the pandemic response decisions are not within presidential power, they're local level.
Having a different president probably wouldn't have made much of a difference, and there's no real evidence to suggest Trump's response was uniquely bad, although the flailing about was in this case visible to the public(and in non-US cases generally not). There's also, given the demonstrated competence of the federal bureaucracy in responding to Covid thus far, considerable reason to believe the pandemic response unit would have made things even worse.
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Postby New Swaraelia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:20 pm

New Bremerton wrote:Officially declare an all-out Cold War with China, and be more belligerent and outspoken than Trump currently is. Sever all diplomatic, economic, trade and cultural ties with the PRC and declare it the Evil Empire that it is. Impose crippling economic sanctions to break the Chinese economy and foment a domestic uprising against the CCP. Remember to compel the Democrats to fall in line with a three-line congressional whip or be expelled from the party. This is the most important requirement. China has fucked with the whole world for far too long. It is time the CCP be made to pay for its unforgivable crimes against humanity. If Joe Biden does this, I will consider supporting him over Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Maintain a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific. Preside over the expansion of NATO into NAIPTO (North Atlantic and Indo-Pacific Treaty Organization) to include Australia, Japan, India, and other allies in a bid to contain Chinese neocolonial aggression. Encircle the fuck out of the PRC and make the Chinese shit their pants. Stand with Hong Kong, Taiwan and other embattled neighbors. Liberate Hong Kong NOW! I want my hometown back.

Investigate China for its failure to contain the coronavirus pandemic. Sue the living daylight out of the CCP and demand reparations.

Continue to hold the WHO to account for its inability or unwillingness to adequately investigate China's role in the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. Call for the resignation of Tedros, Aylward, and other corrupt, top-level officials and lobby for a more impartial, incorruptible replacement to the post of Director-General as some European countries such as Sweden are doing. Only then should funding for the WHO be restored.

Reject the politics of hatred and identity politics on both the intersectional far-left and the white identitarian, incel, far-right, and focus on national unity. Repudiate TYT, Cenk Uygur, Ilhan Omar, Linda Sarsour, Rashida Tlaib, radical feminists, Women's March, MeToo, Black Lives Matter, tankies, antisemites, "anti-Zionists", Students for "Justice" for Palestine, Antifa, Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, Black Hebrew Israelites, etc. Do the same for far-right extremists such as David Duke, the KKK, Richard Spencer, Gavin McInnes, Rebel Media, Proud Boys, etc. Purge the Democratic Party of far-left extremists. This is the second most important requirement.

Pledge to address male suicide, male rape in prisons, domestic violence against men and boys, the anti-male bias in divorce proceedings, and other men's issues. Repudiate the Duluth model as discredited junk science and misandrist misinformation. Hold feminists accountable for the gradual erosion of due process and presumption of innocence. Wholeheartedly push back against their vindictive, emotionally manipulative, psychologically gaslighting, anti-male agenda.

Put an end to gender quotas and adopt an officially neutral stance on encouraging women and girls to work in traditionally male-dominated industries. There is nothing wrong with the latter but everything wrong with the former.

End race-based affirmative action on college campuses, especially against Asian-Americans. Everyone must be treated equally.

Put an end to this talk of "reparations" for African-Americans.

Declare radical Islam to be incompatible with liberal, Western, and American values, and a threat to the American way of life. Bar anyone who holds views incompatible with the liberal, democratic values of the United States from applying to become U.S. citizens.

Make English an official language of the United States. Require all prospective applicants for U.S. citizenship to master the language.

Deport all illegal immigrants. Uphold the rule of law. Illegals should not be allowed to undermine the hard work of the millions of legal immigrants who enter the United States, respect local customs, and obey the law to the letter.

Denounce political correctness in all its forms and let those who espouse woke PC ideology and display zero gratitude to their country of birth know that they can always emigrate for greener pastures.

Issue a Stay-At-Home executive order and adopt South Korea's tried and tested methods to tackle the coronavirus and save lives. Even a draconian Malaysian-style lockdown, where anyone caught violating the lockdown is arrested and charged on the spot with a maximum two-year jail sentence, is better than nothing. The sooner the United States can recover from the pandemic, the sooner it can hold China accountable for its wanton criminal negligence, incompetence, and refusal to take any responsibility whatsoever for its failure to contain the Wuhan coronavirus. That's if the pandemic hasn't run its course by November.

Gradually implement universal healthcare at the local level starting with a handful of major, Democrat-voting cities, with only residents of areas covered by the pilot scheme required to pay the necessary taxes. If successful politically and in practice, begin rolling it out to the suburbs, and finally, the rest of the country. Immunize the United States against future pandemics.

Left-wing, social democratic, economic policies such as the above should be phased in gradually and not implemented overnight. Such policies should aim to uplift the poor and economically disenfranchised regardless of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc, etc. No woke, PC, affirmative action, please.

Adopt Andrew Yang's Freedom Dividend and implement a U.S.$1000/month Universal Basic Income for all U.S. citizens.

Embrace thorium nuclear power as a solution to climate change. Rejoin the 2016 Paris Agreement on Climate Change.

Stand with Israel like Trump has done, more than any other U.S. president in recent history. Kudos to him.

Sever all ties with Saudi Arabia, impose sanctions, and repudiate the genocidal War on Yemen, but maintain Trump's current policy of hostility toward Iran. Put an end to the Saudi-sponsored export of Wahhabism/Salafism of the Zakir Naik sort. This toxic, theocratic ideology is poisoning the Malaysian well where I live.

Mend trade relations with Europe, Japan and other reliable, democratic allies and lift all trade tariffs against them, but continue to maintain trade tariffs against China.

Transition the United States from a presidential democracy to a Westminster-style parliamentary democracy with Irish-style, ranked-choice, proportional representation. Remember to resign as President and stand as Prime Minister. The post of POTUS will be reduced to a ceremonial role with limited reserve powers similar to that of a constitutional monarch, such as Queen Elizabeth II. Be sure to negotiate a coalition/confidence-and-supply arrangement with smaller parties, because your (Joe Biden's) party alone likely won't wield a simple majority in the House of Representatives due to the nature of proportional representation giving broader representation to a wider array of more specific, public interests, and you (JB) need that House majority in order to form a government and approve budgets, including the President's Speech, in the first place.

Enact judicial reforms. The power to nominate Supreme Court Justices should fall to an independent commission answerable only to the Senate to avoid any further politicization of the judiciary. Justices must be nominated by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators. The President shall play no such role.

In summary, turn the United States into a carbon copy of New Bremerton, in other words.

Finally, be as abrasive and outspoken as Trump. Post offensive shit on Twitter to rile up the far-right, the far-left and the CCP. Be a source of good laughs and entertainment like Trump is. Impress me and I will lend my support for you (Joe Biden).

CORRECTION: Justices nominated by the Independent Commission must be approved, not nominated, by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators.

...right...that...good luck with your endeavours...
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Postby Wesburg » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:27 pm

Mirjt wrote:This topic is directed toward U.S. Leftists (edit: and Progressives) whom are currently not planning to vote for Biden.

For me:

I do not support Biden or his neo-liberal to deeply conservative viewpoints and policies. I do not trust Biden with important issues. (That said, I don't despise Joe Biden because I believe in loving every single human being). I currently plan to vote for Howie Hawkins (and down ticket for progressive democrats, independents, and third party candidates) in November; though that may not matter because I live in Maryland, a safe blue state, which will probably cast all 10 of its electoral votes for Joe Biden. I am, however, willing to risk a Trump second term to show the Democratic establishment that they need to earn my vote (they don't just get my vote because they aren't the worse option). I already consider Bernie Sanders policies to be a moderate compromise (his policies were social democracy, which is a moderate compromise between socialism and capitalism) so I am hesitant to compromise further; that said I think (or hope) that the left has more power right now, and so offer Biden this deal: I will consider voting for Biden, if he meets all the following conditions (this is the minimum price for my vote):

1. He must adopt at least 90% of each of the following plans published by Bernie Sanders:
A. Medicare for All
B. Green New Deal
C. Ending Mass Incarceration
D. Any 3 Economics Plans (Biden may choose from a list of plans published by Bernie Sanders)

2. He must publish his own plan for improving U.S. Democracy (with ideas like ranked choice voting, multi-member districts, campaign finance reform, public campaign funding, support and protection for non-electoral politics, etc...).

3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.

4. He must allow leftists to choose his Vice President (we will choose a woman so Biden may keep his campaign promise of having a woman Vice President).

5. He must allow and endorse Bernie Sanders (and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Talib, and all the other Progressives in Congress) to handle future Democratic responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.

6. He must, on video, sign a pledge (which will be copied and distributed to anyone who wants a copy) that states that if he does not attempt to fulfill each of the above campaign promises during his first 18 months in office, then he will resign after the 2022 midterm elections.

Note: I am okay with adding other stipulations to the signed pledge, such as swearing on the Christian Bible, or making the pledge a full-fledged legal document that can be used to sue Biden should he break it.

Note: I am not even really sure Biden is aware he needs to win over leftists (or independents, or typically non-voters), he probably thinks that the leftists have no where to go but the Democratic Party and he thinks he already has the votes of the Democrats. In his mind he probably thinks he needs to win over Republicans (which is nearly impossible) and swing voters.



Nothing because I as a traditionalist and a nationalist will never vote for a pedophile. Also because he is a decadent neo-liberal.

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Postby New haven america » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:44 pm

Kannap wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So Trump getting more Americans killed than a couple historical wars through incompetence and wishful magical thinking is fine as long as he doesn't start an actual war.

Oh, he called himself a wartime President.


1. Would less Americans have died if Hillary was President? We don't really know. I hate Trump as much as the next guy and think he's mishandled the situation in the worst ways possible, but I think Hillary wouldn't have been much better facing this crisis.

2. As for the "wartime President" bit, yeah sure if you join him in ignoring that words have meaning and don't whimsically mean whatever you want them to, then sure he's a wartime President.

1. Yes.
2. lol, one of Trump's main campaign promises was the he was going to keep the US out of any and every military involvement/conflict, and then proceeded to involve the US in Syria no more than 1 month after he got into office.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:51 pm

Kannap wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So Trump getting more Americans killed than a couple historical wars through incompetence and wishful magical thinking is fine as long as he doesn't start an actual war.

Oh, he called himself a wartime President.


Would less Americans have died if Hillary was President? We don't really know. I hate Trump as much as the next guy and think he's mishandled the situation in the worst ways possible, but I think Hillary wouldn't have been much better facing this crisis.

As for the "wartime President" bit, yeah sure if you join him in ignoring that words have meaning and don't whimsically mean whatever you want them to, then sure he's a wartime President.

Hillary wouldn't have called the coronavirus "a Chinese hoax," wouldn't have denied it outright, and wouldn't have dawdled on the response while knowing about it from November. The anti-science aspect of the GOP really sticks out. If you still think Biden is just another Hillary, well you're wrong.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kannap wrote:
1. Would less Americans have died if Hillary was President? We don't really know. I hate Trump as much as the next guy and think he's mishandled the situation in the worst ways possible, but I think Hillary wouldn't have been much better facing this crisis.

2. As for the "wartime President" bit, yeah sure if you join him in ignoring that words have meaning and don't whimsically mean whatever you want them to, then sure he's a wartime President.

1. Yes.

I actually don’t think much would have changed in regards to COVID. While 130k wouldn’t have died we still would have had at least 90k die.

And it would be worse in several states because the Republicans in those states would have refused to do literally anything to prevent the spread of COVID out of spite to the Clinton Administration. It’s also likely that the republicans would still control congress and thus would block Clinton on literally everything. So while we might not have 130k dead we’d still be hitting high numbers due to our collective stupidity
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Yes.

I actually don’t think much would have changed in regards to COVID. While 130k wouldn’t have died we still would have had at least 90k die.

And it would be worse in several states because the Republicans in those states would have refused to do literally anything to prevent the spread of COVID out of spite to the Clinton Administration. It’s also likely that the republicans would still control congress and thus would block Clinton on literally everything. So while we might not have 130k dead we’d still be hitting high numbers due to our collective stupidity

The worst decision on covid in our world was Governor Cuomo's order that nursing homes had to accept contagious covid patients. I don't see that changing under Clinton.
You could certainly make an argument that the earlier decision that all Covid testing had to be routed through the CDC and not done at individual hospitals might be different if there had been a pandemic response council, but it doesn't seem terribly likely.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:10 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I actually don’t think much would have changed in regards to COVID. While 130k wouldn’t have died we still would have had at least 90k die.

And it would be worse in several states because the Republicans in those states would have refused to do literally anything to prevent the spread of COVID out of spite to the Clinton Administration. It’s also likely that the republicans would still control congress and thus would block Clinton on literally everything. So while we might not have 130k dead we’d still be hitting high numbers due to our collective stupidity

The worst decision on covid in our world was Governor Cuomo's order that nursing homes had to accept contagious covid patients. I don't see that changing under Clinton.
You could certainly make an argument that the earlier decision that all Covid testing had to be routed through the CDC and not done at individual hospitals might be different if there had been a pandemic response council, but it doesn't seem terribly likely.

Right. There likely wouldn’t have been much of a change
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Postby Galloism » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:14 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The worst decision on covid in our world was Governor Cuomo's order that nursing homes had to accept contagious covid patients. I don't see that changing under Clinton.
You could certainly make an argument that the earlier decision that all Covid testing had to be routed through the CDC and not done at individual hospitals might be different if there had been a pandemic response council, but it doesn't seem terribly likely.

Right. There likely wouldn’t have been much of a change

There might be now though - the mask thing may not be political controversy had some crazy person on the east coast not made it one. It might just be a reasonable health thing.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:16 pm

Galloism wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Right. There likely wouldn’t have been much of a change

There might be now though - the mask thing may not be political controversy had some crazy person on the east coast not made it one. It might just be a reasonable health thing.

Trump's making masks a political controversy was a response to his (increasingly conspiracy-obsessed)base. It was not something he decided from on high that his base subsequently embraced.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:17 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Galloism wrote:There might be now though - the mask thing may not be political controversy had some crazy person on the east coast not made it one. It might just be a reasonable health thing.

Trump's making masks a political controversy was a response to his (increasingly conspiracy-obsessed)base. It was not something he decided from on high that his base subsequently embraced.

Then he amplified it. Not much better.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:19 pm

Galloism wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Trump's making masks a political controversy was a response to his (increasingly conspiracy-obsessed)base. It was not something he decided from on high that his base subsequently embraced.

Then he amplified it. Not much better.

It's possible that red-state governors leaning on masks as a pillar of their ccp virus strategy would mollify the hardcore trump supporters in a world whee there is no Trump. I wouldn't bet on it though.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:35 pm

I am not sure I would call Trump a businessman. Anyway my vote does not count considering where I live, so I am considering voting 3rd party.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:37 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Right. There likely wouldn’t have been much of a change

There might be now though - the mask thing may not be political controversy had some crazy person on the east coast not made it one. It might just be a reasonable health thing.

We would also not have had the "bleach" thing or pushing drugs that have no effect but which are dangerous.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:04 pm

Neutraligon wrote:I am not sure I would call Trump a businessman. Anyway my vote does not count considering where I live, so I am considering voting 3rd party.


Businessman is a nebulous term. Especially across the many jurisdictions.
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Postby Kannap » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kannap wrote:
1. Would less Americans have died if Hillary was President? We don't really know. I hate Trump as much as the next guy and think he's mishandled the situation in the worst ways possible, but I think Hillary wouldn't have been much better facing this crisis.

2. As for the "wartime President" bit, yeah sure if you join him in ignoring that words have meaning and don't whimsically mean whatever you want them to, then sure he's a wartime President.

1. Yes.
2. lol, one of Trump's main campaign promises was the he was going to keep the US out of any and every military involvement/conflict, and then proceeded to involve the US in Syria no more than 1 month after he got into office.

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Kannap wrote:
Would less Americans have died if Hillary was President? We don't really know. I hate Trump as much as the next guy and think he's mishandled the situation in the worst ways possible, but I think Hillary wouldn't have been much better facing this crisis.

As for the "wartime President" bit, yeah sure if you join him in ignoring that words have meaning and don't whimsically mean whatever you want them to, then sure he's a wartime President.

Hillary wouldn't have called the coronavirus "a Chinese hoax," wouldn't have denied it outright, and wouldn't have dawdled on the response while knowing about it from November. The anti-science aspect of the GOP really sticks out. If you still think Biden is just another Hillary, well you're wrong.


I would reply to this with a fuller response, but Diopolis already did a rather good job in their response. I remain convinced that the only real difference would have been that Hillary wouldn't have mocked the virus or encouraged reopening, but overall things would have been rather similar regardless of who the President is.

Diopolis wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Classic Gorm, doing what you do best: Putting words in people's mouths.

i didn't say any of that. I simply suggested over 100,000 Americans could easily still be dead

Here's some facts-
1) The US per-capita death rate is pretty middle of the pack for a western country. It's worse than Germany, Canada, or Australia, but better than Sweden, the UK, or Latin Europe.
2) The worst decisions were largely not made by president Trump. The federal bureaucracy- which was mostly not Trump appointees in this case- f'd up hard at the very beginning when they banned hospitals from administering tests. Cuomo f'd up even harder when he mandated nursing homes to take contagious covid patients. Any poor decisions Trump made utterly pale in comparison to the magnitude of those two choices.
3) Most of the pandemic response decisions are not within presidential power, they're local level.
Having a different president probably wouldn't have made much of a difference, and there's no real evidence to suggest Trump's response was uniquely bad, although the flailing about was in this case visible to the public(and in non-US cases generally not). There's also, given the demonstrated competence of the federal bureaucracy in responding to Covid thus far, considerable reason to believe the pandemic response unit would have made things even worse.


Outer Sparta wrote:If you still think Biden is just another Hillary, well you're wrong.


I feel like I've defended Biden as not being the same as Hillary recently enough in this thread for this to be a silly notion.
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:43 pm

I'd like to see Biden win the presidential election and push a properly Catholic agenda. The Democratic Party, like the Republican Party has gotten far too extreme in many respects and not extreme enough in others.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:15 pm

Sundiata wrote:I'd like to see Biden win the presidential election and push a properly Catholic agenda. The Democratic Party, like the Republican Party has gotten far too extreme in many respects and not extreme enough in others.

lol, you know nothing about Biden's religious beliefs, do you?

He's a strong proponent and defender of The Separation of Church and State and understands that the US is a secular country and should act like it (IE, Religious freedom for all, Pro-Choice and Birth Control, etc...). Catholic Democrats are ironically very much against what you believe, and Biden himself is very much against any Catholic Agenda (He is totally for the Gay Agenda though).
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Postby Kannap » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:36 pm

Sundiata wrote:I'd like to see Biden win the presidential election and push a properly Catholic agenda. The Democratic Party, like the Republican Party has gotten far too extreme in many respects and not extreme enough in others.


Good thing America isn't a Catholic country and our government isn't a theocracy and Biden won't do any of that.
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:49 pm

New Bremerton wrote:
Officially declare an all-out Cold War with China, and be more belligerent and outspoken than Trump currently is. Sever all diplomatic, economic, trade and cultural ties with the PRC and declare it the Evil Empire that it is. Impose crippling economic sanctions to break the Chinese economy and foment a domestic uprising against the CCP. Remember to compel the Democrats to fall in line with a three-line congressional whip or be expelled from the party. This is the most important requirement. China has fucked with the whole world for far too long. It is time the CCP be made to pay for its unforgivable crimes against humanity. If Joe Biden does this, I will consider supporting him over Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Maintain a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific. Preside over the expansion of NATO into NAIPTO (North Atlantic and Indo-Pacific Treaty Organization) to include Australia, Japan, India, and other allies in a bid to contain Chinese neocolonial aggression. Encircle the fuck out of the PRC and make the Chinese shit their pants. Stand with Hong Kong, Taiwan and other embattled neighbors. Liberate Hong Kong NOW! I want my hometown back.

Investigate China for its failure to contain the coronavirus pandemic. Sue the living daylight out of the CCP and demand reparations.

Continue to hold the WHO to account for its inability or unwillingness to adequately investigate China's role in the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. Call for the resignation of Tedros, Aylward, and other corrupt, top-level officials and lobby for a more impartial, incorruptible replacement to the post of Director-General as some European countries such as Sweden are doing. Only then should funding for the WHO be restored.

Reject the politics of hatred and identity politics on both the intersectional far-left and the white identitarian, incel, far-right, and focus on national unity. Repudiate TYT, Cenk Uygur, Ilhan Omar, Linda Sarsour, Rashida Tlaib, radical feminists, Women's March, MeToo, Black Lives Matter, tankies, antisemites, "anti-Zionists", Students for "Justice" for Palestine, Antifa, Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, Black Hebrew Israelites, etc. Do the same for far-right extremists such as David Duke, the KKK, Richard Spencer, Gavin McInnes, Rebel Media, Proud Boys, etc. Purge the Democratic Party of far-left extremists. This is the second most important requirement.

Pledge to address male suicide, male rape in prisons, domestic violence against men and boys, the anti-male bias in divorce proceedings, and other men's issues. Repudiate the Duluth model as discredited junk science and misandrist misinformation. Hold feminists accountable for the gradual erosion of due process and presumption of innocence. Wholeheartedly push back against their vindictive, emotionally manipulative, psychologically gaslighting, anti-male agenda.

Put an end to gender quotas and adopt an officially neutral stance on encouraging women and girls to work in traditionally male-dominated industries. There is nothing wrong with the latter but everything wrong with the former.

End race-based affirmative action on college campuses, especially against Asian-Americans. Everyone must be treated equally.

Put an end to this talk of "reparations" for African-Americans.

Declare radical Islam to be incompatible with liberal, Western, and American values, and a threat to the American way of life. Bar anyone who holds views incompatible with the liberal, democratic values of the United States from applying to become U.S. citizens.

Make English an official language of the United States. Require all prospective applicants for U.S. citizenship to master the language.

Deport all illegal immigrants. Uphold the rule of law. Illegals should not be allowed to undermine the hard work of the millions of legal immigrants who enter the United States, respect local customs, and obey the law to the letter.

Denounce political correctness in all its forms and let those who espouse woke PC ideology and display zero gratitude to their country of birth know that they can always emigrate for greener pastures.

Issue a Stay-At-Home executive order and adopt South Korea's tried and tested methods to tackle the coronavirus and save lives. Even a draconian Malaysian-style lockdown, where anyone caught violating the lockdown is arrested and charged on the spot with a maximum two-year jail sentence, is better than nothing. The sooner the United States can recover from the pandemic, the sooner it can hold China accountable for its wanton criminal negligence, incompetence, and refusal to take any responsibility whatsoever for its failure to contain the Wuhan coronavirus. That's if the pandemic hasn't run its course by November.

Gradually implement universal healthcare at the local level starting with a handful of major, Democrat-voting cities, with only residents of areas covered by the pilot scheme required to pay the necessary taxes. If successful politically and in practice, begin rolling it out to the suburbs, and finally, the rest of the country. Immunize the United States against future pandemics.

Left-wing, social democratic, economic policies such as the above should be phased in gradually and not implemented overnight. Such policies should aim to uplift the poor and economically disenfranchised regardless of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc, etc. No woke, PC, affirmative action, please.

Adopt Andrew Yang's Freedom Dividend and implement a U.S.$1000/month Universal Basic Income for all U.S. citizens.

Embrace thorium nuclear power as a solution to climate change. Rejoin the 2016 Paris Agreement on Climate Change.

Stand with Israel like Trump has done, more than any other U.S. president in recent history. Kudos to him.

Sever all ties with Saudi Arabia, impose sanctions, and repudiate the genocidal War on Yemen, but maintain Trump's current policy of hostility toward Iran. Put an end to the Saudi-sponsored export of Wahhabism/Salafism of the Zakir Naik sort. This toxic, theocratic ideology is poisoning the Malaysian well where I live.

Mend trade relations with Europe, Japan and other reliable, democratic allies and lift all trade tariffs against them, but continue to maintain trade tariffs against China.

Transition the United States from a presidential democracy to a Westminster-style parliamentary democracy with Irish-style, ranked-choice, proportional representation. Remember to resign as President and stand as Prime Minister. The post of POTUS will be reduced to a ceremonial role with limited reserve powers similar to that of a constitutional monarch, such as Queen Elizabeth II. Be sure to negotiate a coalition/confidence-and-supply arrangement with smaller parties, because your (Joe Biden's) party alone likely won't wield a simple majority in the House of Representatives due to the nature of proportional representation giving broader representation to a wider array of more specific, public interests, and you (JB) need that House majority in order to form a government and approve budgets, including the President's Speech, in the first place.

Enact judicial reforms. The power to nominate Supreme Court Justices should fall to an independent commission answerable only to the Senate to avoid any further politicization of the judiciary. Justices must be nominated by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators. The President shall play no such role.

In summary, turn the United States into a carbon copy of New Bremerton, in other words.

Finally, be as abrasive and outspoken as Trump. Post offensive shit on Twitter to rile up the far-right, the far-left and the CCP. Be a source of good laughs and entertainment like Trump is. Impress me and I will lend my support for you (Joe Biden).

CORRECTION: Justices nominated by the Independent Commission must be approved, not nominated, by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators.

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:27 pm

New Bremerton wrote:
Officially declare an all-out Cold War with China, and be more belligerent and outspoken than Trump currently is. Sever all diplomatic, economic, trade and cultural ties with the PRC and declare it the Evil Empire that it is. Impose crippling economic sanctions to break the Chinese economy and foment a domestic uprising against the CCP. Remember to compel the Democrats to fall in line with a three-line congressional whip or be expelled from the party. This is the most important requirement. China has fucked with the whole world for far too long. It is time the CCP be made to pay for its unforgivable crimes against humanity. If Joe Biden does this, I will consider supporting him over Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Maintain a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific. Preside over the expansion of NATO into NAIPTO (North Atlantic and Indo-Pacific Treaty Organization) to include Australia, Japan, India, and other allies in a bid to contain Chinese neocolonial aggression. Encircle the fuck out of the PRC and make the Chinese shit their pants. Stand with Hong Kong, Taiwan and other embattled neighbors. Liberate Hong Kong NOW! I want my hometown back.

Investigate China for its failure to contain the coronavirus pandemic. Sue the living daylight out of the CCP and demand reparations.

Continue to hold the WHO to account for its inability or unwillingness to adequately investigate China's role in the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. Call for the resignation of Tedros, Aylward, and other corrupt, top-level officials and lobby for a more impartial, incorruptible replacement to the post of Director-General as some European countries such as Sweden are doing. Only then should funding for the WHO be restored.

Reject the politics of hatred and identity politics on both the intersectional far-left and the white identitarian, incel, far-right, and focus on national unity. Repudiate TYT, Cenk Uygur, Ilhan Omar, Linda Sarsour, Rashida Tlaib, radical feminists, Women's March, MeToo, Black Lives Matter, tankies, antisemites, "anti-Zionists", Students for "Justice" for Palestine, Antifa, Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, Black Hebrew Israelites, etc. Do the same for far-right extremists such as David Duke, the KKK, Richard Spencer, Gavin McInnes, Rebel Media, Proud Boys, etc. Purge the Democratic Party of far-left extremists. This is the second most important requirement.

Pledge to address male suicide, male rape in prisons, domestic violence against men and boys, the anti-male bias in divorce proceedings, and other men's issues. Repudiate the Duluth model as discredited junk science and misandrist misinformation. Hold feminists accountable for the gradual erosion of due process and presumption of innocence. Wholeheartedly push back against their vindictive, emotionally manipulative, psychologically gaslighting, anti-male agenda.

Put an end to gender quotas and adopt an officially neutral stance on encouraging women and girls to work in traditionally male-dominated industries. There is nothing wrong with the latter but everything wrong with the former.

End race-based affirmative action on college campuses, especially against Asian-Americans. Everyone must be treated equally.

Put an end to this talk of "reparations" for African-Americans.

Declare radical Islam to be incompatible with liberal, Western, and American values, and a threat to the American way of life. Bar anyone who holds views incompatible with the liberal, democratic values of the United States from applying to become U.S. citizens.

Make English an official language of the United States. Require all prospective applicants for U.S. citizenship to master the language.

Deport all illegal immigrants. Uphold the rule of law. Illegals should not be allowed to undermine the hard work of the millions of legal immigrants who enter the United States, respect local customs, and obey the law to the letter.

Denounce political correctness in all its forms and let those who espouse woke PC ideology and display zero gratitude to their country of birth know that they can always emigrate for greener pastures.

Issue a Stay-At-Home executive order and adopt South Korea's tried and tested methods to tackle the coronavirus and save lives. Even a draconian Malaysian-style lockdown, where anyone caught violating the lockdown is arrested and charged on the spot with a maximum two-year jail sentence, is better than nothing. The sooner the United States can recover from the pandemic, the sooner it can hold China accountable for its wanton criminal negligence, incompetence, and refusal to take any responsibility whatsoever for its failure to contain the Wuhan coronavirus. That's if the pandemic hasn't run its course by November.

Gradually implement universal healthcare at the local level starting with a handful of major, Democrat-voting cities, with only residents of areas covered by the pilot scheme required to pay the necessary taxes. If successful politically and in practice, begin rolling it out to the suburbs, and finally, the rest of the country. Immunize the United States against future pandemics.

Left-wing, social democratic, economic policies such as the above should be phased in gradually and not implemented overnight. Such policies should aim to uplift the poor and economically disenfranchised regardless of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc, etc. No woke, PC, affirmative action, please.

Adopt Andrew Yang's Freedom Dividend and implement a U.S.$1000/month Universal Basic Income for all U.S. citizens.

Embrace thorium nuclear power as a solution to climate change. Rejoin the 2016 Paris Agreement on Climate Change.

Stand with Israel like Trump has done, more than any other U.S. president in recent history. Kudos to him.

Sever all ties with Saudi Arabia, impose sanctions, and repudiate the genocidal War on Yemen, but maintain Trump's current policy of hostility toward Iran. Put an end to the Saudi-sponsored export of Wahhabism/Salafism of the Zakir Naik sort. This toxic, theocratic ideology is poisoning the Malaysian well where I live.

Mend trade relations with Europe, Japan and other reliable, democratic allies and lift all trade tariffs against them, but continue to maintain trade tariffs against China.

Transition the United States from a presidential democracy to a Westminster-style parliamentary democracy with Irish-style, ranked-choice, proportional representation. Remember to resign as President and stand as Prime Minister. The post of POTUS will be reduced to a ceremonial role with limited reserve powers similar to that of a constitutional monarch, such as Queen Elizabeth II. Be sure to negotiate a coalition/confidence-and-supply arrangement with smaller parties, because your (Joe Biden's) party alone likely won't wield a simple majority in the House of Representatives due to the nature of proportional representation giving broader representation to a wider array of more specific, public interests, and you (JB) need that House majority in order to form a government and approve budgets, including the President's Speech, in the first place.

Enact judicial reforms. The power to nominate Supreme Court Justices should fall to an independent commission answerable only to the Senate to avoid any further politicization of the judiciary. Justices must be nominated by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators. The President shall play no such role.

In summary, turn the United States into a carbon copy of New Bremerton, in other words.

Finally, be as abrasive and outspoken as Trump. Post offensive shit on Twitter to rile up the far-right, the far-left and the CCP. Be a source of good laughs and entertainment like Trump is. Impress me and I will lend my support for you (Joe Biden).

CORRECTION: Justices nominated by the Independent Commission must be approved, not nominated, by at least two-thirds (67+) of Senators.

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Postby Rusozak » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:29 pm

Sundiata wrote:I'd like to see Biden win the presidential election and push a properly Catholic agenda. The Democratic Party, like the Republican Party has gotten far too extreme in many respects and not extreme enough in others.


Separation of church and state is a thing, you know.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:37 pm

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