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How do you plan to vote? (Someone asked for this poll)

Biden (because I support Biden)
106
8%
Biden (because he's the lesser of two evils)
254
19%
Trump (for some reason)
264
20%
Third Party (or Independent)
117
9%
Write-In (maybe Bernie)
33
2%
I don't know right now
33
2%
I don't know (but I am not voting for Biden and/or Trump)
27
2%
I don't plan to vote
31
2%
I am against electoral politics
49
4%
I can't vote (under voting age, not a citizen, disenfrancisement, etc...)
428
32%
 
Total votes : 1342

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Postby Ngelmish » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:40 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
You're still misusing the word. Put the goalposts back, and then maybe it becomes possible to talk honestly about the difference left activists have between trying to negotiate with FDR instead of Herbert Hoover. LBJ instead of Richard Nixon. If a politician signals a receptiveness to talk to you, that is a chair, and it's one Joe Biden offered to Bernie Sanders. You don't change the Overton window by never trying to get that politician who will at least consider your pitch -- which, in practice, the "real reform isn't happening quickly enough and then the Republicans come and blow up whatever fig leave we've got, so we just have to blow up the whole thing" is just trying to cut out the political partner as an inessential middle man.

And the funny thing is, doing that doesn't work either.

The same FDR who unconstitutionally locked up Japanese-Americans and only put the New Deal in place because he feared disgruntled workers turning towards socialism and communism? Biden won’t “at least consider the pitch”. In his eyes, it’s “too radical”, and either they cave to his demands, or he refuses to negotiate. Reform is often the tool that reins in “those uppity folk”.


That's not what the word means. You're being deliberately dishonest and don't know how to achieve reform.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:55 am

Plot twist: Joe biden is secretly Rosa Luxembourg and will usher in the Proletariat Revolution when he takes office.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:27 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Atheris wrote:We do. It's called representative democracy.

Doesn’t seem very “representative” to quite a few, actually. Hard to claim you’re “representing” the public when approval ratings are low, yet re-election rates are high.

Most congressional districts are safe with a select few being competitive.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:14 pm

Picairn wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Is that a bad thing?

If you believe in giving Trump 4 more years to destroy America so you can have your little revolution, then it's not a bad thing.

Not at all.

Psssst... not everyone on this site is a leftist who hates Trump
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Postby Tombradyonia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:31 pm

Its a fairly simple thing as I've said before. The hard right has control of the government now, in coalition with religious extremists. I would vote for practically anyone up against them that would swing things back at least to center/left.

The current administration are dangerous for a multitude of reasons:

1-) sheer incompetence
2-) massive corruption and (self) enrichment/enrichment of friends (not just Trump doing this, but his appointees as well)
3-) desire for religious agenda to be shoved down our throats
4-) an ever increasing number of barely qualified (or not qualified at all) judges at many levels and districts
5-) destruction of the environment, national parks
6-) utter ignorance of science and even a pronounced loathing for facts, logic and reason that don't fit the administration's narrative
7-) the utter lies being told virtually non stop (kind of like communist governments behind the Iron Curtain used to tell lies to their peoples)
8-) a POTUS who has expressed admiration for a plethora of authoritarian leaders (Putin, Kim ea) and disdain for those who are not (Euro countries, Canada ea)

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Postby Jerzylvania » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:47 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Picairn wrote:If you believe in giving Trump 4 more years to destroy America so you can have your little revolution, then it's not a bad thing.

Not at all.

Psssst... not everyone on this site is a leftist who hates Trump


Some are leftists that don't know their right hand from their left and vice versa that like Trump but only bc their "friends" on Facebook tell them to.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:51 pm

I've decided (barring the remote chance that Biden embraces Universal Healthcare) I will end up voting Green.
I'm really not a fan their views on nuclear energy but I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of their platform.

Not only do they support universal healthcare but they actually support repealing many of the post 9/11 surveillance laws like the Patriot Act that erode our liberties.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:I've decided (barring the remote chance that Biden embraces Universal Healthcare) I will end up voting Green.
I'm really not a fan their views on nuclear energy but I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of their platform.

Not only do they support universal healthcare but they actually support repealing many of the post 9/11 surveillance laws like the Patriot Act that erode our liberties.

Ah, you support my kind of leftist.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:07 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I've decided (barring the remote chance that Biden embraces Universal Healthcare) I will end up voting Green.
I'm really not a fan their views on nuclear energy but I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of their platform.

Not only do they support universal healthcare but they actually support repealing many of the post 9/11 surveillance laws like the Patriot Act that erode our liberties.

Ah, you support my kind of leftist.

Your kind of leftist meaning what?

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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:32 pm

Picairn wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Is that a bad thing?

If you believe in giving Trump 4 more years to destroy America so you can have your little revolution, then it's not a bad thing.

Not at all.

Also I’m probably the opposite of revolutionary
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Postby Nuroblav » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:20 am

Genivaria wrote:I've decided (barring the remote chance that Biden embraces Universal Healthcare) I will end up voting Green.
I'm really not a fan their views on nuclear energy but I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of their platform.

Not only do they support universal healthcare but they actually support repealing many of the post 9/11 surveillance laws like the Patriot Act that erode our liberties.

I don't live in the USA but I think I would vote Green as well. As you said, I don't agree with them on absolutely everything but they're about as close to my views in the election as you're gonna get.
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Postby Elwher » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:15 am

Nuroblav wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I've decided (barring the remote chance that Biden embraces Universal Healthcare) I will end up voting Green.
I'm really not a fan their views on nuclear energy but I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of their platform.

Not only do they support universal healthcare but they actually support repealing many of the post 9/11 surveillance laws like the Patriot Act that erode our liberties.

I don't live in the USA but I think I would vote Green as well. As you said, I don't agree with them on absolutely everything but they're about as close to my views in the election as you're gonna get.


I'll be voting Libertarian for the same reasons.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:26 am

Genivaria wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Ah, you support my kind of leftist.

Your kind of leftist meaning what?

Alt-medicine loving 9/11 truthers.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:32 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Psssst... not everyone on this site is a leftist who hates Trump


Some are leftists that don't know their right hand from their left and vice versa that like Trump but only bc their "friends" on Facebook tell them to.

And then there's Tulsi Gabbard who pretend to be a progressive yet cozy up with the far-right for the opportunism.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:17 am

Diopolis wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Your kind of leftist meaning what?

Alt-medicine loving 9/11 truthers.

Whatever you say bro. :roll:

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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:24 am

You know what?

It's time to change the name of this thread to: What Would It Take for You to NOT Vote for Biden?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:25 am

Trump starting a war would probably do it.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:26 am

Nuroblav wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I've decided (barring the remote chance that Biden embraces Universal Healthcare) I will end up voting Green.
I'm really not a fan their views on nuclear energy but I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of their platform.

Not only do they support universal healthcare but they actually support repealing many of the post 9/11 surveillance laws like the Patriot Act that erode our liberties.

I don't live in the USA but I think I would vote Green as well. As you said, I don't agree with them on absolutely everything but they're about as close to my views in the election as you're gonna get.

Yeah I figure I'm not going to find someone who actually matches my views to my satisfaction but that's what you get in a 2 party system.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:26 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Trump starting a war would probably do it.


Why?
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:26 am

Jerzylvania wrote:You know what?

It's time to change the name of this thread to: What Would It Take for You to NOT Vote for Biden?

Due to his age and... current events, the chance of him keeling over dead before or just after election day cannot be discounted. His VP really is quite important here.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:30 am

Diopolis wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:You know what?

It's time to change the name of this thread to: What Would It Take for You to NOT Vote for Biden?

Due to his age and... current events, the chance of him keeling over dead before or just after election day cannot be discounted. His VP really is quite important here.


He's 2 years younger than Dr. Fauci but 3 years older than Trump. Of these three men, who looks the most physically out of shape and ready to keel? I think it's the obese man, Trump. You don't really see a lot of fat old people.

So who do you wanna see as Joe's veep?
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:30 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Trump starting a war would probably do it.

So Trump getting more Americans killed than a couple historical wars through incompetence and wishful magical thinking is fine as long as he doesn't start an actual war.

Oh, he called himself a wartime President.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:31 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Due to his age and... current events, the chance of him keeling over dead before or just after election day cannot be discounted. His VP really is quite important here.


He's 2 years younger than Dr. Fauci but 3 years older than Trump. Of these three men, who looks the most physically out of shape and ready to keel? I think it's the obese man, Trump. You don't really see a lot of fat old people.

So who do you wanna see as Joe's veep?

I'm unlikely to vote for him anyways. But if he picks a terrible VP, that could easily be the deciding factor for some people.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:32 am

Diopolis wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:You know what?

It's time to change the name of this thread to: What Would It Take for You to NOT Vote for Biden?

Due to his age and... current events, the chance of him keeling over dead before or just after election day cannot be discounted. His VP really is quite important here.

Trump is hiding his obesity and went out in public maskless but Biden is the one who will drop dead?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:33 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Trump starting a war would probably do it.


Why?


Because a war would be immoral, destructive, expensive, and destabilizing. Very rarely does good come from war, especially in the likely areas (Syria, Iran, or Venezuela).
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