What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Galloism]

Nothing here actually says why it’s ok for female but not male contraceptives to be required.

So what ontological condition in men does male contraceptive treat?

Couvade syndrome. Which includes anxiety, nausea, mood swing, changes in sex drive, weight gain, and generalized physical pain.

How do you not know this stuff?

[Gormwood]

So what ontological condition in men does male contraceptive treat?

Couvade syndrome. Which includes anxiety, nausea, mood swing, changes in sex drive, weight gain, and generalized physical pain.

How do you not know this stuff?

Because I'm neither a pharmacist nor fixated on men's rights?

[Galloism]

Couvade syndrome. Which includes anxiety, nausea, mood swing, changes in sex drive, weight gain, and generalized physical pain.

How do you not know this stuff?

Because I'm neither a pharmacist nor fixated on men's rights?

You need to learn about your body. The generalized lack of knowledge men have about their body is shocking really.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

Biden personally has been campaigning to cut welfare for his entire political career. He brags about it.

He wants welfare reform to keep people from gaming the system.

Tbh, I don't agree with the way he wants to do it, but I also don't disagree that it needs to be fixed either because it does.

I don't know about you, but when I'm on the lookout for people who have been stealing money, I'd look at people who have money, before people who don't. Tightening the tax code and properly investigating tax avoidance and evasion would easily bring a hundred times more revenue into the public purse than auditing every single welfare claimant would.

The US has been living under Austerity for decades, and the welfare state, as much as it ever existed in the States, has been cut to the bone. Biden has spent over four decades of his career calling for cuts to social security. He's not going to be the man to rely on, and electing him guarantees that the Democrats lose support that they will have to spend a long time out in the cold winning back.

[Mirjt]

I mean, that's a blatant lie as they've spent the past 30 or so years trying to make life easier for the working/lower-middle classes with things like welfare expansions, supporting impoverish and marginalized groups, trying to raise taxes on the wealthiest and close tax loopholes, etc...

For the record: This "Both Sides are the Same" nonsense was rhetoric started by hardcore Bernie supporters to make him seem more likeable and then the Right took the idea and ran with it to excuse their corruption. We've been over this dozens of times, you're only repeating propaganda, and you likely won't use an argument for it that hasn't already been used and disproven hundreds of times already.

Biden personally has been campaigning to cut welfare for his entire political career. He brags about it.

Which would definitely put me and my family at risk. My mother is an elderly, deaf, widow and relies on social security. Me and my brother live off of SSDI, as our disabilities (we both have Asperger's/High Functioning Autism and ADHD, in addition I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder with some OCD symptoms and Seasonal Affective Disorder, and my brother has depression and migraines so severe he sometimes can't get out of bed) make it difficult for us to obtain and retain work, not to mention the many other illness and disabilities in my extended family.

Also, despite the conservatism of several of my extended family, I have multi-racial relatives as well (white, mexican, cuban, and african american descent), that I am not convinced are safe under Trump or Biden. My extended family also lives in poverty and has many children in any given household (several members of my family may live together in multi-generational households instead of having their own home and work together to take care of each other), and some members are reliant on medicare, medicaid, food stamps, and other social safety net programs.

P.S. I am white

[New haven america]

He wants welfare reform to keep people from gaming the system.

Tbh, I don't agree with the way he wants to do it, but I also don't disagree that it needs to be fixed either because it does.

1. I don't know about you, but when I'm on the lookout for people who have been stealing money, I'd look at people who have money, before people who don't. 2. Tightening the tax code and properly investigating tax avoidance and evasion would easily bring a hundred times more revenue into the public purse than auditing every single welfare claimant would.

3. The US has been living under Austerity for decades, and the welfare state, as much as it ever existed in the States, has been cut to the bone. 4. Biden has spent over four decades of his career calling for cuts to social security. 5. He's not going to be the man to rely on, and electing him guarantees that the Democrats lose support that they will have to spend a long time out in the cold winning back.

1. Which is what he wants to do
2A. Which the Dems have been for, for years. Or do you think AOC is fine with letting millionaires and billionaires keep their off shore accounts
2B. You know you can be for 2 things at once, right?
3. By Right Wingers
4. Actually, the US is the only country in the world with something like social security (Canada has a similar system, but it also goes through welfare), most other nations just fold that type of stuff in with general welfare assistance. And while I may disagree with his opinion on it, there still remains the fact that A. Most Dems support SS, and B. He can't actually do anything to cut or get rid of it, cause that would have to go through Congress, and as such wouldn't make it out of the House.
5. I don't think that's how it works, because him winning the election implies that at least ~1/2 of the voters support him.

You know, if you wanted Bernie to get picked, why didn't his supporters go out and vote for him when it mattered?

[South Odreria 2]

1. I don't know about you, but when I'm on the lookout for people who have been stealing money, I'd look at people who have money, before people who don't. 2. Tightening the tax code and properly investigating tax avoidance and evasion would easily bring a hundred times more revenue into the public purse than auditing every single welfare claimant would.

3. The US has been living under Austerity for decades, and the welfare state, as much as it ever existed in the States, has been cut to the bone. 4. Biden has spent over four decades of his career calling for cuts to social security. 5. He's not going to be the man to rely on, and electing him guarantees that the Democrats lose support that they will have to spend a long time out in the cold winning back.

1. Which is what he wants to do
2A. Which the Dems have been for, for years. Or do you think AOC is fine with letting millionaires and billionaires keep their off shore accounts
2B. You know you can be for 2 things at once, right?
3. By Right Wingers
4. Actually, the US is the only country in the world with something like social security (Canada has a similar system, but it also goes through welfare), most other nations just fold that type of stuff in with general welfare assistance. And while I may disagree with his opinion on it, there still remains the fact that A. Most Dems support SS, and B. He can't actually do anything to cut or get rid of it, cause that would have to go through Congress, and as such wouldn't make it out of the House.
5. I don't think that's how it works, because him winning the election implies that at least ~1/2 of the voters support him.

You know, if you wanted Bernie to get picked, why didn't his supporters go out and vote for him when it mattered?

I’m glad you’ve finally realized Obama and Clinton are rightwingers.

[Baja California Autonoma]

1. I don't know about you, but when I'm on the lookout for people who have been stealing money, I'd look at people who have money, before people who don't. 2. Tightening the tax code and properly investigating tax avoidance and evasion would easily bring a hundred times more revenue into the public purse than auditing every single welfare claimant would.

3. The US has been living under Austerity for decades, and the welfare state, as much as it ever existed in the States, has been cut to the bone. 4. Biden has spent over four decades of his career calling for cuts to social security. 5. He's not going to be the man to rely on, and electing him guarantees that the Democrats lose support that they will have to spend a long time out in the cold winning back.

1. Which is what he wants to do
2A. Which the Dems have been for, for years. Or do you think AOC is fine with letting millionaires and billionaires keep their off shore accounts
2B. You know you can be for 2 things at once, right?
3. By Right Wingers
4. Actually, the US is the only country in the world with something like social security (Canada has a similar system, but it also goes through welfare), most other nations just fold that type of stuff in with general welfare assistance. And while I may disagree with his opinion on it, there still remains the fact that A. Most Dems support SS, and B. He can't actually do anything to cut or get rid of it, cause that would have to go through Congress, and as such wouldn't make it out of the House.
5. I don't think that's how it works, because him winning the election implies that at least ~1/2 of the voters support him.

You know, if you wanted Bernie to get picked, why didn't his supporters go out and vote for him when it mattered?

Can you stop attacking Bernie people for not voting. I voted, I made it a point to vote because it mattered. Don't attack people's opinions like this. It strains the emotion because you're being lumped in even if you went to vote into this generalization. I cared. I wanted him to win. I'll vote for Biden but I hate what I thought was my political party because if has to shame people into supporting it with fear or dislike of Trump than being decent people themselves who go to as much effort as Trump to appease his base. He'll win because his base at least respects him. I font see Biden capable of motivating anyone to any kind of cause or vision because he lacks it.

This is what you want though, and we seem to be punished for expressing dissent against the state of things but I at least will vote for Biden even though I'm going to hate myself and feel like a fucking tool for people who don't even keep up with the Republicans. I'd like to be part of a party that is united, but Biden is what we get, not what we want. Don't generalize against the people you want to vote for Biden because not everyone is as magnanimous to say 'I have a vote and would like to use it but I fear for minorities, gay people, Wymyn and anyone who doesn't fit into the hate filled america trump wants to make. Begrudgingly and fighting all way, I'll vote for Biden'.

[New haven america]

1. Which is what he wants to do
2A. Which the Dems have been for, for years. Or do you think AOC is fine with letting millionaires and billionaires keep their off shore accounts
2B. You know you can be for 2 things at once, right?
3. By Right Wingers
4. Actually, the US is the only country in the world with something like social security (Canada has a similar system, but it also goes through welfare), most other nations just fold that type of stuff in with general welfare assistance. And while I may disagree with his opinion on it, there still remains the fact that A. Most Dems support SS, and B. He can't actually do anything to cut or get rid of it, cause that would have to go through Congress, and as such wouldn't make it out of the House.
5. I don't think that's how it works, because him winning the election implies that at least ~1/2 of the voters support him.

You know, if you wanted Bernie to get picked, why didn't his supporters go out and vote for him when it mattered?

1. Can you stop attacking Bernie people for not voting. I voted, I made it a point to vote because it mattered. 2. Don't attack people's opinions like this. It strains the emotion because you're being lumped in even if you went to vote into this generalization. I cared. I wanted him to win. I'll vote for Biden but I hate what I thought was my political party because if has to shame people into supporting it with fear or dislike of Trump than being decent people themselves who go to as much effort as Trump to appease his base. He'll win because his base at least respects him. 3. I font see Biden capable of motivating anyone to any kind of cause or vision because he lacks it. 4. This is what you want though, and we seem to be punished for expressing dissent against the state of things but I at least will vote for Biden even though I'm going to hate myself and feel like a fucking tool for people who don't even keep up with the Republicans. 5. I'd like to be part of a party that is united, but Biden is what we get, not what we want. 6. Don't generalize against the people you want to vote for Biden because not everyone is as magnanimous yo say'I have a 7. vote and would like to use it but I fear for minorities, gay people, Wymyn and anyone who doesn't fit into the hate filled america trump wants to make. Begrudgingly and fighting all way, I'll vote for Biden'.

1. I mean, if he stuck around until Oregon I would've been a Bernie voter, and if Bernie still lost in the way he did I'd be saying the exact same thing, so no. Except it be more in a tone of disappointment instead of the current tone of annoyance.
2. I'll do it when they themselves listen to this advice.
3. Apparently getting to Joe's site is considered black magic or something: https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/
4. No, what I want is for people to think logically for a second and realize that 4 more years of Trump are going to be infinitely more permanently destructive than Biden or any of the other Dem candidates (Barring Bloomberg, who's basically Trump-lite) could ever even hope to be. A lot of them aren't doing that though, and are instead acting just as bad as Trump supporters.
5. You know Biden has promised to get the Liberal and Progressive sides of the party to work together and pick progressives for his cabinet and policy teams in order to give both sides a say in how the country runs, right?
6. Eh, the a lot of them have claimed there's no way in hell they're voting for him, so I'm treating them as write-offs. I don't care about who they vote for, what I do care about is their dangerous spreading of misinformation like how they did in 2016 (Like the aforementioned both sides are the same argument hardcore Sanders supporters started). I've made myself very clear on this point multiple times.
7. Well you're in luck, cause post-2005 Biden has actually been for helping LGBT, minorities, etc... and basically singlehandedly got the Dems to take up LGBT rights as an issue that needed to be seriously looked at.

Also, fun fact, man/woman and male/female evolved almost entirely separately from each other.

[Baja California Autonoma]

I wonder what a good democracy's politicians would act like. I'm assuming theyd be like the only politician I ever approved of wholly, Cincinnatus of the Roman Republic. They wouldn't hang around and have their family run for president, stay in Senate for ever, clutch like a demon to power and not let anything new arise. No new people, no new ideas, just more bullshit to keep the professional politicians and the technocrats in power. I'm surprised Hillary didnt try to run again, since this is all about her apparently and I'm sure she had something to do with how things have been turning out. The democratic party is not a peoples party but one of corrupt politicians who never go the fuck away after their time and piss away our world.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

The Establishment Democrats rely on people gritting their teeth and voting for candidates they despise in the General, after they stitch up the Primary. It's an insult to democracy, and helping perpetuate it by submitting yourself to their extortion is utterly unconscionable, in my opinion. I wouldn't vote for Biden with a gun to my head. Not in my name.

[New haven america]

The Establishment Democrats rely on people gritting their teeth and voting for candidates they despise in the General, after they stitch up the Primary. It's an insult to democracy, and helping perpetuate it by submitting yourself to their extortion is utterly unconscionable, in my opinion.

Actually, Biden is doing super well in the mid-older voting blocks, which are historically the largest voting block.

Youth voters are historically the most unreliable and tends to be the smallest voting block, so no, the majority aren't gritting their teeth and just dealing with it, because the youth voters aren't the majority. (Also, it's generally a coin toss on whether they're actually going to help or not)

Another flaw in Bernie's campaign plan, he relied almost solely on youth votes and look where that got him.

[South Odreria 2]

Bernie’s campaign strategy is not the topic of this thread.

[New haven america]

Bernie’s campaign strategy is not the topic of this thread.

Sure it is.

What would you like to talk about first? The reliance on almost solely youth voter turnout to coast along? The flawed outreach to and subsequent mixed reception amongst Blacks and Hispanics? Hiring the same stupid campaign team that lost him 2016? Not reeling in his campaign manager or publicity manager who spent most of their time attacking the other candidates against his wishes or people who were on the fence about him?

[Centai Mal]

So what ontological condition in men does male contraceptive treat?

Couvade syndrome. Which includes anxiety, nausea, mood swing, changes in sex drive, weight gain, and generalized physical pain.

How do you not know this stuff?

You mean sympathetic pregnancy?

[Centai Mal]

Bernie’s campaign strategy is not the topic of this thread.

Sure it is.

What would you like to talk about? The reliance on almost solely youth voter turnout to coast along? The flawed outreach to and subsequent mixed reception amongst Blacks and Hispanics? Hiring the same stupid campaign team that lost him 2016? Not reeling in his campaign manager or publicity manager who spent most of their time attacking the other candidates against his wishes or people who were on the fence about him?

No, because Bernie is the Messiah, he can do no wrong. It's us who were flawed and caused his downfall. He is Jesus and we are the fellow Jews condeming him to death

[Centai Mal]

Biden personally has been campaigning to cut welfare for his entire political career. He brags about it.

Which would definitely put me and my family at risk. My mother is an elderly, deaf, widow and relies on social security. Me and my brother live off of SSDI, as our disabilities (we both have Asperger's/High Functioning Autism and ADHD, in addition I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder with some OCD symptoms and Seasonal Affective Disorder, and my brother has depression and migraines so severe he sometimes can't get out of bed) make it difficult for us to obtain and retain work, not to mention the many other illness and disabilities in my extended family.

Also, despite the conservatism of several of my extended family, I have multi-racial relatives as well (mexican, cuban, and african american descent), that I am not convinced are safe under Trump or Biden. My extended family also lives in poverty and has many children in any given household (several members of my family may live together in multi-generational households instead of having their own home and work together to take care of each other), and some members are reliant on medicare, medicaid, food stamps, and other social safety net programs.

It's been talked about earlier too, but it's not the conservative cutting welfare that he's aiming for when he talks about that, but making sure that people are not gaming the system. I do personally know a few, but I know a lot more people who are reliant on SSDI and other forms of welfare. I'd personally like it if we spent a lot less time deciding who gets welfare and who doesn't, and let the people that apply for it get it, but I understand why that's a hangup. I just don't see it as any better under Trump, who has made it much, much harder to get several types of welfare and cut back on who can receive SNAP

[Albrenia]

Aren't we supposed to be talking about Biden? Bernie's done for in this election.

[Galloism]

Also, fun fact, man/woman and male/female evolved almost entirely separately from each other.

Cool. I actually knew about man/woman, but I had no idea about male/female.

[Galloism]

Couvade syndrome. Which includes anxiety, nausea, mood swing, changes in sex drive, weight gain, and generalized physical pain.

How do you not know this stuff?

You mean sympathetic pregnancy?

That's the other term for it, and it's a real thing.

[Centai Mal]

You mean sympathetic pregnancy?

That's the other term for it, and it's a real thing.

But absolutely not what the question was about and you absolutely know it. The question was asking if there's an analogue between "female" BC treating things like endo, and male birth control. You chose to use the more medical sounding term for a psychosomatic illness, which was quite a bit sneaky

[Galloism]

That's the other term for it, and it's a real thing.

But absolutely not what the question was about and you absolutely know it. The question was asking if there's an analogue between "female" BC treating things like endo, and male birth control. You chose to use the more medical sounding term for a psychosomatic illness, which was quite a bit sneaky

It's no less real than gender dysphoria, and that's a real illness that needs treatment (namely, transitioning).

[Albrenia]

That's the other term for it, and it's a real thing.

But absolutely not what the question was about and you absolutely know it. The question was asking if there's an analogue between "female" BC treating things like endo, and male birth control. You chose to use the more medical sounding term for a psychosomatic illness, which was quite a bit sneaky

Just because something originates from the mind doesn't mean it is not 'real'. Your mind can end up getting you killed.

[Centai Mal]

But absolutely not what the question was about and you absolutely know it. The question was asking if there's an analogue between "female" BC treating things like endo, and male birth control. You chose to use the more medical sounding term for a psychosomatic illness, which was quite a bit sneaky

It's no less real than gender dysphoria, and that's a real illness that needs treatment (namely, transitioning).

.... ok so I'm not really sure what we're getting at here. Yes, that's how gender dysphoria works. But you were asked about purely physical illnesses, analogous to endo, and you know that

[South Odreria 2]

But absolutely not what the question was about and you absolutely know it. The question was asking if there's an analogue between "female" BC treating things like endo, and male birth control. You chose to use the more medical sounding term for a psychosomatic illness, which was quite a bit sneaky

It's no less real than gender dysphoria, and that's a real illness that needs treatment (namely, transitioning).

That’s hardly the only treatment for gender dysphoria, or even the ideal one.