What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[The Huskar Social Union]

You where there.

I saw nothing of the sort you claim occurred.

Glad we settled that.

You dont understand US politics.

[Nazis in Space]

Ah yes, we start of with an ad hominem, but let's ignore that... Read my post again, I called the Democrats a "center-right" party. With under that context I agree that there are political parties around the would that are farther right than the Democrats. For example, all it takes is a google search to see that all the political parties you just mentioned are all well past the center, if not well past the center-right; so of course they're more right-wing than the Democrats, I'm not comparing the Democrats to them.

Define 'Centre'.

You'll notice that all the parties I mentioned are either the major party in the government or the largest opposition party.

If you arbitrarily define 'Centre' to mean 'Everyone to the right of me', your definition is a worthless masturbation aide. I'm afraid that it'll have to actually be the centre of the political spectrum in a given place. Meaning that it's typically somewhere between the largest parties on the right and left side of a given country's political spectrum. Not somewhere within the left side of that country's political spectrum.

If your definition of 'Centre' puts it somewhere between socialists and marxist-leninists, it is, shockingly enough, not centre. You're just engaging in worthless wordplay.

Then again, the Sandernistas like to do this a lot. I did notice how Warren - with the single most-left voting record in the Senate - turned into a 'Corporate Shill' in recent months.

It's interesting that you omitted center-right political parties like UDI and MoDem in France and the Civic Platform in Poland which are more the types of, center-right, liberal political parties we're comparing the Democrats to.

Because I picked the actual major parties to the right of the centre in the relevant countries. Not minor parties in the left half of those countries' political spectra and then arbitrarily declaring them 'Right'.

Because actually looking past the media description of the Democratic party and reading about what they actually stand for—for Interventionism and Neoliberalism and against the proposals of AOC and Bernie Sanders—makes me ignorant.

Well, yes. Believing that Sanders - who'd stand precisely zero chance of entering a governing coalition in any European country, though this is admittedly partly caused by his inability to compromise, rendering him incapable of entering a coalition - is merely 'Left of Centre' does indeed make you ignorant. Or delusional.

Hm. Actually, now that I think about it, Sanders would have other issues, too. Such as his desire to always change the rules so they benefit him - even if the rules currently in place were specifically set up on his request. But hey, four years later, it's suddenly the old ruleset that'd benefit him more, let's change it again!

I also doubt that pulling a stunt similar to Sanders losing in the 1990 Vermont primaries, followed by running as an independent because hey, Vermont's up there amongst the whitest rural state you can find, Sanders is pro-gun and (back then) tough on crime, and if your opponent's a black woman who argues for decriminalising drugs, it should be easy to beat her in the general, right?

I mean, he was right, it was easy to beat her. But y'know. That the kind of scummy shitheel behaviour that I doubt most European parties - which are much more tightly controlled than American ones - would be particularly forgiving of.

What I'm saying is, Sanders' pattern of behaviour would almost certainly have gotten him kicked out of whichever mainstream political party he was trying to take over.

Much like how his pattern of behaviour got the black vote to give him the middle finger, really.

[Kannap]

I saw nothing of the sort you claim occurred.

Glad we settled that.

You dont understand US politics.

It's Jimmy Carter vs. Dick Cheney this year, right?

[The United Provinces of North America]

Please learn American politics again, 1. The Democrats are left leaning in the United States.

At best they're centrists... But at least in my observation, their adherence to the same neoliberal and neoconservative politics that define the GOP makes them center-right.

2. The Republicans are right in the United States.

Yeah, they're off the right edge of the political compass cliff right-wing. If you thought someone said otherwise, you're either putting words in their mouth or taking them out of context.

Holy fuck do Europeans and Canadian's think their politics cover the world?

People like me must be European and Canadian shills then, because I agree with most of the points made by the people arguing against you. Just because they're from somewhere else doesn't make their opinion invalid, that's a fallacious way to think.

No. But when people think of the Left wing here without understanding American politics, and have no idea wtf they are talking about they shouldn't be here.

[Qabea]

At best they're centrists... But at least in my observation, their adherence to the same neoliberal and neoconservative politics that define the GOP makes them center-right.

Yeah, they're off the right edge of the political compass cliff right-wing. If you thought someone said otherwise, you're either putting words in their mouth or taking them out of context.

People like me must be European and Canadian shills then, because I agree with most of the points made by the people arguing against you. Just because they're from somewhere else doesn't make their opinion invalid, that's a fallacious way to think.

No. But when people think of the Left wing here without understanding American politics, and have no idea wtf they are talking about they shouldn't be here.

Trust me, they understand American politics. Probably more than you tbh.

[Jedi Council]

At best they're centrists... But at least in my observation, their adherence to the same neoliberal and neoconservative politics that define the GOP makes them center-right.

Yeah, they're off the right edge of the political compass cliff right-wing. If you thought someone said otherwise, you're either putting words in their mouth or taking them out of context.

People like me must be European and Canadian shills then, because I agree with most of the points made by the people arguing against you. Just because they're from somewhere else doesn't make their opinion invalid, that's a fallacious way to think.

No. But when people think of the Left wing here without understanding American politics, and have no idea wtf they are talking about they shouldn't be here.

I am going to take it that you are going to ignore my clarification post?

Glad to know you'd rather be right in your own mind than actually understand other people.

[The United Provinces of North America]

No. But when people think of the Left wing here without understanding American politics, and have no idea wtf they are talking about they shouldn't be here.

Trust me, they understand American politics. Probably more than you tbh.

The Left believes in Big Government, while the Right believes in Small Government.

[Jedi Council]

Trust me, they understand American politics. Probably more than you tbh.

The Left believes in Big Government, while the Right believes in Small Government.

Have you taken any political science classes in school?

There is SO much more to politics than just that.

[The United Provinces of North America]

The Left believes in Big Government, while the Right believes in Small Government.

Have you taken any political science classes in school?

There is SO much more to politics than just that.

And you just learned about U.S. politics yesterday.

[Jedi Council]

Have you taken any political science classes in school?

There is SO much more to politics than just that.

And you just learned about U.S. politics yesterday.

I'll take that as a definitive no.

[Ors Might]

Trust me, they understand American politics. Probably more than you tbh.

The Left believes in Big Government, while the Right believes in Small Government.

Is that why the Republicans supported the Patriot Act?

[The Black Forrest]

Trust me, they understand American politics. Probably more than you tbh.

The Left believes in Big Government, while the Right believes in Small Government.

Psst. The left didn’t create the department of homeland security.

[Kannap]

At best they're centrists... But at least in my observation, their adherence to the same neoliberal and neoconservative politics that define the GOP makes them center-right.

Yeah, they're off the right edge of the political compass cliff right-wing. If you thought someone said otherwise, you're either putting words in their mouth or taking them out of context.

People like me must be European and Canadian shills then, because I agree with most of the points made by the people arguing against you. Just because they're from somewhere else doesn't make their opinion invalid, that's a fallacious way to think.

No. But when people think of the Left wing here without understanding American politics, and have no idea wtf they are talking about they shouldn't be here.

Hey, it's an internet forum. People are allowed to be here. If you want somewhere where it's just you, create a blog.

[Liriena]

They aren't the same, but Biden being the lesser evil compared to the omnishambles in chief is not a merit. Lots of pieces of shit are marginally less awful than Trump because they haven't put children in concentration camps or willfully neglected an entire American territory after a natural disaster struck. But if your electoral strategy revolves around framing your candidate and your party as the least grotesquely putrid, you're setting yourself up for failure.

"I'm the lesser evil" is not how you win an election. It's how you rationalize your imminent electoral defeat.

Ummm... you do know Obama, and hence Biden, were responsible for creating those same 'concentration camps' that kids get put into, right?

Fuck Obama.

[The Black Forrest]

You dont understand US politics.

It's Jimmy Carter vs. Dick Cheney this year, right?

Interesting combo. Super nice guy vs Super bastard

[Jedi Council]

The Left believes in Big Government, while the Right believes in Small Government.

Psst. The left didn’t create the department of homeland security.

Nor do they want to insert themselves into the private love lives or biological functions of their citizens.

[The Huskar Social Union]

It's Jimmy Carter vs. Dick Cheney this year, right?

Interesting combo. Super nice guy vs Super bastard

Dukakis 2020

We will get him to pose in an Ambulance.

[The United Provinces of North America]

No. But when people think of the Left wing here without understanding American politics, and have no idea wtf they are talking about they shouldn't be here.

Hey, it's an internet forum. People are allowed to be here. If you want somewhere where it's just you, create a blog.

Yes, that's true, but not knowing one country's politics or how it works is going to put them on the spot.

[Jedi Council]

Hey, it's an internet forum. People are allowed to be here. If you want somewhere where it's just you, create a blog.

Yes, that's true, but not knowing one country's politics or how it works is going to put them on the spot.

Well it seems you are outnumbered here, so perhaps you are the one who is wrong? Ever considered that?

[The United Provinces of North America]

Ummm... you do know Obama, and hence Biden, were responsible for creating those same 'concentration camps' that kids get put into, right?

Fuck Obama.

Watch out you might get called a name.

[Qabea]

Hey, it's an internet forum. People are allowed to be here. If you want somewhere where it's just you, create a blog.

Yes, that's true, but not knowing one country's politics or how it works is going to put them on the spot.

Reducing the American political spectrum to a strawman =/= knowing how your own country's politics work.

[Kannap]

Hey, it's an internet forum. People are allowed to be here. If you want somewhere where it's just you, create a blog.

Yes, that's true, but not knowing one country's politics or how it works is going to put them on the spot.

Maybe, just maybe, when the overwhelming majority of people here are explaining something you disagree with and think "They know nothing about politics!" it'd be a good time for reflection on who the common denominator is.

[Jedi Council]

Interesting combo. Super nice guy vs Super bastard

Dukakis 2020

We will get him to pose in an Ambulance.

"Governor, if Kitty Dukakis got Covid-19, would you support using hydroxychloroquine?"

[The United Provinces of North America]

Yes, that's true, but not knowing one country's politics or how it works is going to put them on the spot.

Well it seems you are outnumbered here, so perhaps you are the one who is wrong? Ever considered that?

Ever considered Canada's politics don't revolve around the world?

[Baja California Autonoma]

Trust me, they understand American politics. Probably more than you tbh.

The Left believes in Big Government, while the Right believes in Small Government.

Right, that's why Bush, Reagan and Bush Jr, Trump value a large military industrial complex and using the government to endorse religion, increase departments and bureaus like homeland security and space force, silence whistleblowers and disappear people to black sites. You're ridiculously out of touch and your understanding of nuances is not there at all. You're so spoonfed bullshit that you actually believe dualistic nonsense. It's a black and white world in your head, and full of crazy. The government never lies nope, not the American government, never. Impossible. I'm from Mexico btw, enjoy.