Well, yeah, but the point is that both Donnie and Hideki weren't nice to China. Shut up, stop poking holes in my metaphors.
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by Atheris » Sat May 02, 2020 9:17 pm
by Gormwood » Sat May 02, 2020 9:19 pm
by Atheris » Sat May 02, 2020 9:21 pm
by The New Last Order » Sat May 02, 2020 9:24 pm
Mirjt wrote:This topic is directed toward U.S. Leftists (edit: and Progressives) whom are currently not planning to vote for Biden.
For me:
I do not support Biden or his neo-liberal to deeply conservative viewpoints and policies. I do not trust Biden with important issues. (That said, I don't despise Joe Biden because I believe in loving every single human being). I currently plan to vote for Howie Hawkins (and down ticket for progressive democrats, independents, and third party candidates) in November; though that may not matter because I live in Maryland, a safe blue state, which will probably cast all 10 of its electoral votes for Joe Biden. I am, however, willing to risk a Trump second term to show the Democratic establishment that they need to earn my vote (they don't just get my vote because they aren't the worse option). I already consider Bernie Sanders policies to be a moderate compromise (his policies were social democracy, which is a moderate compromise between socialism and capitalism) so I am hesitant to compromise further; that said I think (or hope) that the left has more power right now, and so offer Biden this deal: I will consider voting for Biden, if he meets all the following conditions (this is the minimum price for my vote):
1. He must adopt at least 90% of each of the following plans published by Bernie Sanders:
A. Medicare for All
B. Green New Deal
C. Ending Mass Incarceration
D. Any 3 Economics Plans (Biden may choose from a list of plans published by Bernie Sanders)
2. He must publish his own plan for improving U.S. Democracy (with ideas like ranked choice voting, multi-member districts, campaign finance reform, public campaign funding, support and protection for non-electoral politics, etc...).
3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.
4. He must allow leftists to choose his Vice President (we will choose a woman so Biden may keep his campaign promise of having a woman Vice President).
5. He must allow and endorse Bernie Sanders (and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Talib, and all the other Progressives in Congress) to handle future Democratic responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.
6. He must, on video, sign a pledge (which will be copied and distributed to anyone who wants a copy) that states that if he does not attempt to fulfill each of the above campaign promises during his first 18 months in office, then he will resign after the 2022 midterm elections.
Note: I am okay with adding other stipulations to the signed pledge, such as swearing on the Christian Bible, or making the pledge a full-fledged legal document that can be used to sue Biden should he break it.
Note: I am not even really sure Biden is aware he needs to win over leftists (or independents, or typically non-voters), he probably thinks that the leftists have no where to go but the Democratic Party and he thinks he already has the votes of the Democrats. In his mind he probably thinks he needs to win over Republicans (which is nearly impossible) and swing voters.
by Mirjt » Sat May 02, 2020 9:30 pm
The New Last Order wrote:Mirjt wrote:This topic is directed toward U.S. Leftists (edit: and Progressives) whom are currently not planning to vote for Biden.
For me:
I do not support Biden or his neo-liberal to deeply conservative viewpoints and policies. I do not trust Biden with important issues. (That said, I don't despise Joe Biden because I believe in loving every single human being). I currently plan to vote for Howie Hawkins (and down ticket for progressive democrats, independents, and third party candidates) in November; though that may not matter because I live in Maryland, a safe blue state, which will probably cast all 10 of its electoral votes for Joe Biden. I am, however, willing to risk a Trump second term to show the Democratic establishment that they need to earn my vote (they don't just get my vote because they aren't the worse option). I already consider Bernie Sanders policies to be a moderate compromise (his policies were social democracy, which is a moderate compromise between socialism and capitalism) so I am hesitant to compromise further; that said I think (or hope) that the left has more power right now, and so offer Biden this deal: I will consider voting for Biden, if he meets all the following conditions (this is the minimum price for my vote):
1. He must adopt at least 90% of each of the following plans published by Bernie Sanders:
A. Medicare for All
B. Green New Deal
C. Ending Mass Incarceration
D. Any 3 Economics Plans (Biden may choose from a list of plans published by Bernie Sanders)
2. He must publish his own plan for improving U.S. Democracy (with ideas like ranked choice voting, multi-member districts, campaign finance reform, public campaign funding, support and protection for non-electoral politics, etc...).
3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.
4. He must allow leftists to choose his Vice President (we will choose a woman so Biden may keep his campaign promise of having a woman Vice President).
5. He must allow and endorse Bernie Sanders (and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Talib, and all the other Progressives in Congress) to handle future Democratic responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.
6. He must, on video, sign a pledge (which will be copied and distributed to anyone who wants a copy) that states that if he does not attempt to fulfill each of the above campaign promises during his first 18 months in office, then he will resign after the 2022 midterm elections.
Note: I am okay with adding other stipulations to the signed pledge, such as swearing on the Christian Bible, or making the pledge a full-fledged legal document that can be used to sue Biden should he break it.
Note: I am not even really sure Biden is aware he needs to win over leftists (or independents, or typically non-voters), he probably thinks that the leftists have no where to go but the Democratic Party and he thinks he already has the votes of the Democrats. In his mind he probably thinks he needs to win over Republicans (which is nearly impossible) and swing voters.
I would have to hear about positive changes that he’ll do for the disabled.
by The New Last Order » Sat May 02, 2020 10:45 pm
Mirjt wrote:The New Last Order wrote:
I would have to hear about positive changes that he’ll do for the disabled.
That would be glorious, but I don't think it is likely, I would settle for expanding SSDI and SSI, ensuring disabled people aren't paid below minimum wage, and that better treatment for disabled prisoners. It's not much, but it is something. I understand the necessity of this because both my mother and late father were deaf, and me and my brother both have high functioning autism and ADHD, in addition I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder and some symptoms of OCD and SAD, my brother has severe migraines (that preventing him from working, or even getting out of bed sometimes), and both my mother and brother have depression. Not to mention the disabilities in my extended family.
by -SARS- » Sat May 02, 2020 10:59 pm
The New Last Order wrote:Mirjt wrote:
That would be glorious, but I don't think it is likely, I would settle for expanding SSDI and SSI, ensuring disabled people aren't paid below minimum wage, and that better treatment for disabled prisoners. It's not much, but it is something. I understand the necessity of this because both my mother and late father were deaf, and me and my brother both have high functioning autism and ADHD, in addition I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder and some symptoms of OCD and SAD, my brother has severe migraines (that preventing him from working, or even getting out of bed sometimes), and both my mother and brother have depression. Not to mention the disabilities in my extended family.
Welcome ! Finally, a person with disabilities. I got tired of speaking to non-disabled people. Yes, that would be all awesome. But, I don’t think we could change things by acting so moderately. The key as I see it is by pushing and protesting.
Pushing in terms of not changing what we are asking for.We have to let them knowing that 1)we have our standards and 2) we will not budge on our demands. By having one unified voice, we’ll let them know what we want.
Protesting in that we won’t take half measures. Will people die ? Probably. Will people go to jail ? Probably. But to think about it, you have to keep in mind what Martin Luther King did. Did people die or go to jail? Yes, of course they did. But by taken a firm stance and not stopping protesting, they eventually forced them to do away with segregation laws. In the same way, through one unified voice and through protesting, we will force them to adopt more unified practices and laws for the disabled
So what I am saying is we must be prepared to be killed and go to jail to get what we need. If it takes a 100 years or even a 1,000 years we can hold protests and demonstrations against anti-disabled laws. It is worth t, because they will blow smoke up our asses with an assurance that they do it “someday” . Someday ? How long?
But we definitely should push for the things you mentioned.
by Nazis in Space » Sun May 03, 2020 12:10 am
Mirjt wrote:I do not support Biden or his neo-liberal to deeply conservative viewpoints and policies.
1. He must adopt at least 90% of each of the following plans published by Bernie Sanders:
A. Medicare for All
B. Green New Deal
C. Ending Mass Incarceration
D. Any 3 Economics Plans (Biden may choose from a list of plans published by Bernie Sanders)
2. He must publish his own plan for improving U.S. Democracy (with ideas like ranked choice voting, multi-member districts, campaign finance reform, public campaign funding, support and protection for non-electoral politics, etc...).
3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.
4. He must allow leftists to choose his Vice President (we will choose a woman so Biden may keep his campaign promise of having a woman Vice President).
5. He must allow and endorse Bernie Sanders (and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Talib, and all the other Progressives in Congress) to handle future Democratic responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.
UIS Leviathan wrote:For him to not be practically senile, for a start
I get to choose between a senile idiot or a senile idiot
It’s a hard choice, really
Liriena wrote:For one, if he still expects to be the Democrats' candidate, he would have to actually take responsibility for his creepy and predatory behavior towards women and specially towards Tara Reade, and commit to him and the party making amends for how horribly they handled this.
by Forsher » Sun May 03, 2020 12:13 am
Liriena wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:Well, the both sidesism of NSG has come out in full swing with the hackneyed "but Biden and Trump are the same" arguments over and over again.
They aren't the same, but Biden being the lesser evil compared to the omnishambles in chief is not a merit. Lots of pieces of shit are marginally less awful than Trump because they haven't put children in concentration camps or willfully neglected an entire American territory after a natural disaster struck. But if your electoral strategy revolves around framing your candidate and your party as the least grotesquely putrid, you're setting yourself up for failure.
"I'm the lesser evil" is not how you win an election. It's how you rationalize your imminent electoral defeat.
The Archregimancy wrote:American citizenship.
by Mirjt » Sun May 03, 2020 1:27 am
Nazis in Space wrote:Mirjt wrote:I do not support Biden or his neo-liberal to deeply conservative viewpoints and policies.
Mate, if your definition of 'Deeply Conservative' is this, your definition of 'Deeply Conservative' may be worthless.1. He must adopt at least 90% of each of the following plans published by Bernie Sanders:
A. Medicare for All
B. Green New Deal
C. Ending Mass Incarceration
D. Any 3 Economics Plans (Biden may choose from a list of plans published by Bernie Sanders)
And he'd do this when he trashed Sanders at 2:1 ratios... why?
Which brings us to the next point, which is2. He must publish his own plan for improving U.S. Democracy (with ideas like ranked choice voting, multi-member districts, campaign finance reform, public campaign funding, support and protection for non-electoral politics, etc...).
3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.
4. He must allow leftists to choose his Vice President (we will choose a woman so Biden may keep his campaign promise of having a woman Vice President).
5. He must allow and endorse Bernie Sanders (and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Talib, and all the other Progressives in Congress) to handle future Democratic responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.
... please stop pretending that you want more democracy when you proceed to reject it in the next three paragraphs.
If you lose an election at a 70:30 ratio and then demand that the side that one adopts basically your entire program, you do not believe in democracy. You believe in your own side getting everything despite winning nothing.
This does, admittedly, go rather hand in hand with Sanders' track record of doing way better in caucuses (limited to, essentially, the party elite) than in primaries (much more democratic), but y'know, it'd be nice of you to not lie about your belief in democracy.
If you believe in the dictatorship ofyour guythe proletariat, that's fine. I mean, I'd oppose you, but hey.
But claiming that you want more democracy when you explicitly reject election results - and the delusions of Sandernistas notwithstanding, Sanders did, as mentioned above, do best when the common man couldn't vote, and the election was restricted to the local party elite. Much like Sanders does best in a rural-ish, so white you need snow glasses state and sinks like a rock as soon as minorities get involved, which probably has to do with his habit of ignoring them in the hope that their vote will be split because blacks are automatons who'll automatically vote black or something - is pathetic.
It's also inconsistent. Multi-member districts? That sounds suspiciously like supporting coalitions and compromise. Yet you just rejected all of these things by demanding unconditional surrender rather than dealing with the actual result of an election that rejected you and offering compromise yourself! In an election in which your choosen champion's strategy was 'Hope my opposition's votes are split so I can ride a 30% plurality to the presidency!' That's not democracy. Don't pretend it is.
And lastly, your vote is also worthless. You even admitted to this - you're in Maryland, a safe blue state. You're plainly not needed. You're irrelevant. Votes are needed in the swing states that, again, Sanders consistently lost by hilarious margins.
The path to the presidency is literally to ignore you and focus on getting the blue dogs and their supporters into the boat. And yet, rather than asking nicely to get a voice, too, so you may be heard, too - the old paradigm of politics as the art of the possible, the attainable. The art of the next best - you stomp around demanding EVERYTHING while offering NOTHING. While not even HAVING anything to offer!
That's not even offensive. That's just sad in its sheer, mindboggling ignorance.
You sit there and make demands. Nobody's going to listen.
Because you have nothing to offer.UIS Leviathan wrote:For him to not be practically senile, for a start
I get to choose between a senile idiot or a senile idiot
It’s a hard choice, really
I do admittedly find it fascinating how this silliness keeps going despite Biden soundly trashing Sanders in the debates.
Though it does rather point at the people making this claim having cognitive issues themselves.Liriena wrote:For one, if he still expects to be the Democrats' candidate, he would have to actually take responsibility for his creepy and predatory behavior towards women and specially towards Tara Reade, and commit to him and the party making amends for how horribly they handled this.
You mean the thing where Raede's story changes every five minutes, past statements are heavily edited time and time again, and goalposts are shifted every other day as Raede walks back on her claims every time more information contradicting her claims is released?
by Nazis in Space » Sun May 03, 2020 2:14 am
Mirjt wrote:Yes, I do consider Biden to be somewhere between neo-liberal to deeply conservative. I consider (as does most political scientists) the U.S. political spectrum to be shifted far to the right.
For instance Bernie Sanders is a moderate by the Worldwide standards that I apply to myself
many aspects of Bernie's platform would be considered center-right and center-right parties have actually put forward some things that Bernie did; such as Medicare for All, it may abolish private healthcare insurance, but the government does not abolish private medical practices, or privately run hospitals (which should be non-profit regardless if they are public or private), or private pharmaceutical companies. As far as I am concerned Bernie was already the compromise.
Biden (or at least the Democratic Party) claims to need the votes of all the Progressives who wanted Bernie (and other candidates), so then they need to offer us something to vote for him. That is democracy afterall, I don't consider a democracy a winner take all affair
Well, speaking for myself, my compromise candidate did not win and I don't want to compromise again
but I am willing to extend the olive branch.
I find my initial offer to be overwhelming generous.
You also accuse my third through fifth points as being undemocratic. I disagree. My third point was that he must allow leftists 45% power in the DNC.
Democratic National Committee wrote:The Democratic National Committee, or DNC, was created during the Democratic National Convention of 1848, and is governed by its Charter and Bylaws. For 171 years, it’s been responsible for governing the Democratic Party and is the oldest continuing party committee in the United States.
Under the leadership of Chair Tom Perez, the DNC is composed of the chairs and vice-chairs of each state Democratic Party Committee and over 200 members elected by Democrats in all 57 states and the territories.
I am not asking for total control of the DNC or even 50:50, I am asking that leftists are guaranteed a fair seat at the table that decides how the Democratic Primaries work, what the Democratic priorities are, the tactics used to elect Democrats, etc... If he wants leftists to vote for him, I don't think it is unreasonable to demand a seat at the table.
You also seemed to question the democratic legitimacy of multi-member districts.
However, one of the core values of leftism and socialism is democracy
by Mirjt » Sun May 03, 2020 2:27 am
Nazis in Space wrote:Mirjt wrote:Yes, I do consider Biden to be somewhere between neo-liberal to deeply conservative. I consider (as does most political scientists) the U.S. political spectrum to be shifted far to the right.
[citation needed]
We'll get into why this citation is needed in... the next paragraph, actually.For instance Bernie Sanders is a moderate by the Worldwide standards that I apply to myself
I presume that 'Worldwide' excludes, for instance, Germany, where the closest thing to Sanders would be Die Linke, which, while it does sit in governing coalitions in some state parliaments, sits on the far left of the political spectrum insofar as parties even capable of getting into the parliament are concerned, fails to capture more than about ten percent of the vote, and is systematically ignored by every single other party in the Bundestag.
Sanders' treatment in the US and by the democrats in particular is incredibly generous by, at the very least, Germany's standard, where he'd never get the chance to even pretend having ambitions for the chancellorship, and where he and his rhetoric would basically be told to take a ball and play outside while the adults are talking.
Which would admittedly not be a huge loss, given Sanders' pathetic record in the Senate.many aspects of Bernie's platform would be considered center-right and center-right parties have actually put forward some things that Bernie did; such as Medicare for All, it may abolish private healthcare insurance, but the government does not abolish private medical practices, or privately run hospitals (which should be non-profit regardless if they are public or private), or private pharmaceutical companies. As far as I am concerned Bernie was already the compromise.
Again, the only party that even proposes such a thing that I know of is Die Linke. They're ignored, and they're commanding a significantly lesser share of the vote than Sanders.Biden (or at least the Democratic Party) claims to need the votes of all the Progressives who wanted Bernie (and other candidates), so then they need to offer us something to vote for him. That is democracy afterall, I don't consider a democracy a winner take all affair
Funny, since your demands amount to a loser takes all.Well, speaking for myself, my compromise candidate did not win and I don't want to compromise again
Yes, your inability to grasp the concept of politics has already been acknowledged.but I am willing to extend the olive branch.
Your definition of 'Olive Branch' is loosely comparable to the Austro-Hungarian ultimatum to Serbia in July 1914.I find my initial offer to be overwhelming generous.
Have you considered saying this with a Darth Vader voice?
You should totally say this in a Darth Vader voice. It'd fit remarkably well.You also accuse my third through fifth points as being undemocratic. I disagree. My third point was that he must allow leftists 45% power in the DNC.
Which is more than the vote share Sanders got. Hence undemocratic. Surely basic math is not beyond your comprehension?
Also, just how do you propose that Biden does this? Biden's not in control of it. Membership consists of, to quote themDemocratic National Committee wrote:The Democratic National Committee, or DNC, was created during the Democratic National Convention of 1848, and is governed by its Charter and Bylaws. For 171 years, it’s been responsible for governing the Democratic Party and is the oldest continuing party committee in the United States.
Under the leadership of Chair Tom Perez, the DNC is composed of the chairs and vice-chairs of each state Democratic Party Committee and over 200 members elected by Democrats in all 57 states and the territories.
So basically, you're saying that Biden shouldAnd yet you still claim to support democracy.
- usurp Mr Perez
- ignore the state parties' own choices for chairs and vice-chairs
- and ignore the elected members in favour of installing unelected Sandernistas instead
- indeed, to abolish elections to the DNC altogether, since you want fixed percentages appointed by a random guy instead
You're lying.I am not asking for total control of the DNC or even 50:50, I am asking that leftists are guaranteed a fair seat at the table that decides how the Democratic Primaries work, what the Democratic priorities are, the tactics used to elect Democrats, etc... If he wants leftists to vote for him, I don't think it is unreasonable to demand a seat at the table.
I, on the other hand, do think it is unreasonable to unseat elected members of the DNC in favour of Sanders' cronies who had a chance to be elected into it but, y'know... failed.
Without an election, merely on the say-so of someone who isn't even a member of the DNC.You also seemed to question the democratic legitimacy of multi-member districts.
No, I didn't. Rather, I questioned why you support them when the concept seems rather at odds with everything else you're demanding, since the concept results in compromises being outright required, yet that's precisely what you reject. It is a (more) democratic concept, yet the demands you make (see above) are the demands of a warlord, blatantly demanding that democratic processes be eliminated.However, one of the core values of leftism and socialism is democracy
Unless you're losing, that is. As demonstrated by your plethora of blatantly undemocratic demands.
by Godular » Sun May 03, 2020 2:38 am
by Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 3:50 am
Godular wrote:I’ll still vote for Biden, though I think he could handle the sexual assault allegations better if only to set him apart from Trump. Trying to sweep it under the carpet ain’t gonna work, justified or not. Acknowledge the complaint, apologize for any misunderstandings/stupid shit/stupid actions, and move on.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by -SARS- » Sun May 03, 2020 6:31 am
Mirjt wrote:Nazis in Space wrote:[citation needed]
We'll get into why this citation is needed in... the next paragraph, actually.
I presume that 'Worldwide' excludes, for instance, Germany, where the closest thing to Sanders would be Die Linke, which, while it does sit in governing coalitions in some state parliaments, sits on the far left of the political spectrum insofar as parties even capable of getting into the parliament are concerned, fails to capture more than about ten percent of the vote, and is systematically ignored by every single other party in the Bundestag.
Sanders' treatment in the US and by the democrats in particular is incredibly generous by, at the very least, Germany's standard, where he'd never get the chance to even pretend having ambitions for the chancellorship, and where he and his rhetoric would basically be told to take a ball and play outside while the adults are talking.
Which would admittedly not be a huge loss, given Sanders' pathetic record in the Senate.
Again, the only party that even proposes such a thing that I know of is Die Linke. They're ignored, and they're commanding a significantly lesser share of the vote than Sanders.
Funny, since your demands amount to a loser takes all.
Yes, your inability to grasp the concept of politics has already been acknowledged.
Your definition of 'Olive Branch' is loosely comparable to the Austro-Hungarian ultimatum to Serbia in July 1914.
Have you considered saying this with a Darth Vader voice?
You should totally say this in a Darth Vader voice. It'd fit remarkably well.
Which is more than the vote share Sanders got. Hence undemocratic. Surely basic math is not beyond your comprehension?
Also, just how do you propose that Biden does this? Biden's not in control of it. Membership consists of, to quote them
So basically, you're saying that Biden shouldAnd yet you still claim to support democracy.
- usurp Mr Perez
- ignore the state parties' own choices for chairs and vice-chairs
- and ignore the elected members in favour of installing unelected Sandernistas instead
- indeed, to abolish elections to the DNC altogether, since you want fixed percentages appointed by a random guy instead
You're lying.
I, on the other hand, do think it is unreasonable to unseat elected members of the DNC in favour of Sanders' cronies who had a chance to be elected into it but, y'know... failed.
Without an election, merely on the say-so of someone who isn't even a member of the DNC.
No, I didn't. Rather, I questioned why you support them when the concept seems rather at odds with everything else you're demanding, since the concept results in compromises being outright required, yet that's precisely what you reject. It is a (more) democratic concept, yet the demands you make (see above) are the demands of a warlord, blatantly demanding that democratic processes be eliminated.
Unless you're losing, that is. As demonstrated by your plethora of blatantly undemocratic demands.
At the moment I am unable to respond to the entirity of your post as I have to handle other concerns. I still think you are misrepresenting or misunderstanding my viewpoints though. I will mention one thing though, the Presidential Nominee for a major party in the U.S. is considered the de facto leader of that party and has significant sway in the appointment of several functions in their party (in the Democrats case the DNC).
by Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 7:40 am
-SARS- wrote:Mirjt wrote:
At the moment I am unable to respond to the entirity of your post as I have to handle other concerns. I still think you are misrepresenting or misunderstanding my viewpoints though. I will mention one thing though, the Presidential Nominee for a major party in the U.S. is considered the de facto leader of that party and has significant sway in the appointment of several functions in their party (in the Democrats case the DNC).
You should definitely do the Darth Vader voice when you say your offer is generous.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Godular » Sun May 03, 2020 8:26 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Godular wrote:I’ll still vote for Biden, though I think he could handle the sexual assault allegations better if only to set him apart from Trump. Trying to sweep it under the carpet ain’t gonna work, justified or not. Acknowledge the complaint, apologize for any misunderstandings/stupid shit/stupid actions, and move on.
Imo violently raping a woman isn't a mistake. Mistakes are like when you're late to work or forget to charge your phone.
by Ethel mermania » Sun May 03, 2020 8:30 am
Godular wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Imo violently raping a woman isn't a mistake. Mistakes are like when you're late to work or forget to charge your phone.
If such claims are true, they are indeed rather dire. What an unfortunate time this is that I find I still must say that Biden’s record is better than Trump’s even on that score. Why somebody might switch their vote to Trump over this, for me, defies explanation.
by Godular » Sun May 03, 2020 8:34 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Godular wrote:
If such claims are true, they are indeed rather dire. What an unfortunate time this is that I find I still must say that Biden’s record is better than Trump’s even on that score. Why somebody might switch their vote to Trump over this, for me, defies explanation.
Trump at least paid the people fingered
by Ethel mermania » Sun May 03, 2020 8:42 am
by Godular » Sun May 03, 2020 8:45 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Godular wrote:
If my recollection on the various stories holds, not all of them.
Also, I’m having difficulty finding the information, but when did this accusation about Biden initially emerge?
Which ones?
That he is overly touchie freely and makes women uncomfortable? Pretty much continually starting Decades ago.
The tara reide one? fairly recently. Though there does seem to be some proof that the allegation was made when the event allegedly happened, decades ago.
I must be weird, I vote for whichever canidate is closer to the policies I support. So as far as a choice between biden and trump none of this matters to me. I am a Republican, I am going to vote for trump.
by Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 9:59 am
Nazis in Space wrote:Your definition of 'Olive Branch' is loosely comparable to the Austro-Hungarian ultimatum to Serbia in July 1914.
Have you considered saying this with a Darth Vader voice?
by MGTOWia » Sun May 03, 2020 2:36 pm
by Rojava Free State » Sun May 03, 2020 2:45 pm
MGTOWia wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Has he really not done a bad enough job yet? How much harm must he do to America before you all stop enabling him?
"Harm to America"? Drop the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.
President Trump is doing EXACTLY what I voted for him for: attempting to drain the swamp (and getting at least a good start on doing it), reversing as many of the policies of the previous occupant of the White House as he can, appointing originalist judges to the judiciary, advancing an American nationalist foreign policy, cutting regulations, CUTTING MY TAXES, and especially FIGHTING BACK against the scurrilous attacks of the other party and the lies of the dishonest news media. And in the current situation, he has done a far better job than any pretender from the opposing party could ever dream of accomplishing. 'Nuff said.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by -SARS- » Sun May 03, 2020 3:21 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:MGTOWia wrote:
"Harm to America"? Drop the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.
President Trump is doing EXACTLY what I voted for him for: attempting to drain the swamp (and getting at least a good start on doing it), reversing as many of the policies of the previous occupant of the White House as he can, appointing originalist judges to the judiciary, advancing an American nationalist foreign policy, cutting regulations, CUTTING MY TAXES, and especially FIGHTING BACK against the scurrilous attacks of the other party and the lies of the dishonest news media. And in the current situation, he has done a far better job than any pretender from the opposing party could ever dream of accomplishing. 'Nuff said.
#1 he is the swamp. Have you not seen how he's been stealing supplies from states?
#2 reversing policies such as the failed Syrian war he keeps participating in
#3 most of his judicial appointments are just yes men that'll let him do what he wants.
#4 he cut taxes on the rich. Not you, you now pay more in taxes than someone with 50 times the amount of money you have.
#5 the dishonest news media, huh. Were they dishonest when they reported that he told people to inject lysol, because i remember you all saying he was taken out of context before he admitted that that was what he said, making you and the other 40% of America who supports this clown look like bigger jokers than he is. And better job? 65,000 Americans died after he delayed testing, confiscated medical supplies and lied and said COVID was "just the flu." Trump is a terrible president, an adulterer, a sexual molester, a child abuser and a tard that thinks windmill sounds cause cancer. Literally nobody is impressed with the biggest embarrassment America ever suffered. Outside your little bubble most people hate Trump, and I can see why considering he's the creep who talked about throwing a pregnant woman down a flight of stairs to cause a miscarriage. You voted for an idiot, and now people are dying because of the selfish and incompetent choice you made in November of 2016. Thanks alot for making America a failed state again.
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