What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[The Black Forrest]

You think a “man of the people” candidate can win?

In America? No, but that's the only candidate I'll even consider supporting.

That model went out when the country grew too large for a person to carry a people by the force of his will. Now it’s message is by second, third, hand, etc.....

[Ors Might]

Voting for someone who will never win is not supporting whomever wins. That’s completely inane.

*shrugs* not really.

yes really.

Voting for someone who will never win is not supporting whomever wins. That’s completely inane.

It's forfeiting the game to the winner. Same difference.

“Playing the game is forfeiting the game”

[The Black Forrest]

*shrugs* not really.

yes really.

It's forfeiting the game to the winner. Same difference.

“Playing the game is forfeiting the game”

*shrugs* your candidate can’t sell their message is not the problem of the game.

[Ors Might]

yes really.


“Playing the game is forfeiting the game”

*shrugs* your candidate can’t sell their message is not the problem of the game.

never said otherwise

[Mirjt]

*shrugs* voting for somebody who will never win is basically supporting whomever wins. Thinking it’s a protest vote? Probably won’t even be noticed much and it helps keep the status quo in DC.

Voting for someone who will never win is not supporting whomever wins. That’s completely inane.

I agree completely. Not voting for the Biden is not a vote for Trump. It just is not helping Biden defeat Trump. Nor does it make that person complicit with a Trump victory because they did not put their backing behind Biden (regardless where they put their backing, unless they voted for Trump).

[Alcala-Cordel]

In America? No, but that's the only candidate I'll even consider supporting.

That model went out when the country grew too large for a person to carry a people by the force of his will. Now it’s message is by second, third, hand, etc.....

The system has been corrupted by the bourgeoisie from the beginning.

[Atheris]

That model went out when the country grew too large for a person to carry a people by the force of his will. Now it’s message is by second, third, hand, etc.....

The system has been corrupted by the bourgeoisie from the beginning.

Can't say I agree with you.

[Ethel mermania]

I think you underestimate the extent to which a lot of people are sick and tired of Trump being in their faces all day long spouting bullshit and generally embarrassing America.

And friends and relatives dying off because their state didn't kiss enough orange ass to get PPEs snd ventilators.

Weirdly ny got all the ventilators it needed, so did jersey. Blue states too.

[Snakeden]

If the DNC made a toasted peanut with a smiley face drawn on in Sharpie marker the primary candidate, I would vote for that peanut over Trump. If we're getting saddled with Biden as the candidate, fine. I'll vote for him. He's better than the toasted peanut option.

[Albrenia]

Kind of surprised the Trump vote is so high on the poll, considering how low it generally is in similar polls here.

The third party vote being so high makes me happy in some ways though. It would be nice if the US could have stronger third parties, even though I think the system itself is built to stop that.

[Greed and Death]

If Biden Commits Seppuku he would earn my vote.

[Infected Mushroom]

For me, the biggest factor would relate with respect to trade policy with the PRC.

On that front, how does Biden compare to the Donald?

Who is more likely to expand trade relations between America and China?

For I do believe the more trade there is between these two great nations, the more well-off the world will be and the more peace and prosperity we can have.

[Washington Resistance Army]

For me, the biggest factor would relate with respect to trade policy with the PRC.

On that front, how does Biden compare to the Donald?

Who is more likely to expand trade relations between America and China?

For I do believe the more trade there is between these two great nations, the more well-off the world will be and the more peace and prosperity we can have.

"Biden plans to out-tough Trump on China"

Slowly but surely more people are waking up to the fact that the PRC is not our friend.

[Radiatia]

Well US citizenship would be a good start, but I certainly don't envy Americans and their (lack of) options in this election. I didn't think it could get worse than 2016, but here we are.

If I were an American, I can't envision any situation at all in which I would vote for Biden. He is nothing more than the mouthpiece of corporate America, in much the same way that Hillary was four years ago. I do not trust the man and do not for a second believe he would have my best interests at heart.

As such, I would either hold my nose and vote for Trump (who, moronic as he is, I do actually consider to be the lesser of two evils here) or I'd either sit it out/write-in another candidate like Tulsi Gabbard or someone respectable.

[Infected Mushroom]

For me, the biggest factor would relate with respect to trade policy with the PRC.

On that front, how does Biden compare to the Donald?

Who is more likely to expand trade relations between America and China?

For I do believe the more trade there is between these two great nations, the more well-off the world will be and the more peace and prosperity we can have.

"Biden plans to out-tough Trump on China"

Slowly but surely more people are waking up to the fact that the PRC is not our friend.

So I should support the Donald?

That's the conclusion this seems to be pointing towards...

[Washington Resistance Army]

"Biden plans to out-tough Trump on China"

Slowly but surely more people are waking up to the fact that the PRC is not our friend.

So I should support the Donald?

That's the conclusion this seems to be pointing towards...

No candidate with a chance of winning this year wants to be friends with China. Thank the gods for that at least.

[Heloin]

"Biden plans to out-tough Trump on China"

Slowly but surely more people are waking up to the fact that the PRC is not our friend.

So I should support the Donald?

That's the conclusion this seems to be pointing towards...

Like I told you in another thread, Americans don't like China. You're not going to have any kind of American Government friendly to China.

[Atheris]

So I should support the Donald?

That's the conclusion this seems to be pointing towards...

Like I told you in another thread, Americans don't like China. You're not going to have any kind of American Government friendly to China.

That depends on how you define "China". Personally, I believe that the Manghud dynasty's descendants, being the last-ruling descendants of Genghis Khan, are the rightful rulers of the Yuan dynasty, and subsequently the entirety of China and Mongolia.

[-SARS-]

The third party vote being so high makes me happy in some ways though..

Goes to show how unrepresentative NSG is.

[Infected Mushroom]

So I should support the Donald?

That's the conclusion this seems to be pointing towards...

Like I told you in another thread, Americans don't like China. You're not going to have any kind of American Government friendly to China.

Trump has been fairly friendly right?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Like I told you in another thread, Americans don't like China. You're not going to have any kind of American Government friendly to China.

Trump has been fairly friendly right?

Literally all of his rhetoric boils down to "fuck China" lol

[Atheris]

Like I told you in another thread, Americans don't like China. You're not going to have any kind of American Government friendly to China.

Trump has been fairly friendly right?

Yeah, and Hideki Tojo was friendly to China, too.

[Mirjt]

So I should support the Donald?

That's the conclusion this seems to be pointing towards...

Like I told you in another thread, Americans don't like China. You're not going to have any kind of American Government friendly to China.

While I am very much against China's human rights abuses, totalitarianism, and misrepresentation of communism and socialism; I personally would rather trying to negotitate and be diplomatic with the rest of the World, including less savory governments and even (especially) our "enemies." I believe that while every state/society needs some level of autarky (defined as economic self-reliance), it is desirable to have the whole world be economically tied together and as a result we all benefit and we all have incentive to care about the economic wellbeing of others because that will affect us too. I am however against globalist free trade, because that version of free trade often gives more power to multi-national corporations, I want trade agreements where the world basically agrees to international standards for health and safety regulations, privacy regulations, financial regulations, environmental regulations, labor regulations, etc... and where we effectively share the world's resources with one another. I am also against the wealthy using the ability to move their wealth to skirt taxation and regulations, so I would have capital controls (and exit taxes to prevent capital flight). I love cultural exchange, and believe people should be allowed to migrate, live, and/or work where they like so I would institute open borders (defined as unlimited legal immigration through official channels and customs, with minimal barriers to entry, and only mild to moderate consequences for undocumented entry).

But my desire for internationalism is not very popular in the U.S. right now with its overbearing patriotism and nationalism and nativism. Biden is less likely to be publically prejudiced against chinese culture but very likely to be anti-china on trade (given his support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership). Donald Trump is likely to have a mix of pro-China and mostly anti-China policies (including some that harm the U.S. as well, such as his trade war), but it seems Donald Trump is leaning towards being anti-China because he needs a scapegoat for his poor response to the pandemic crisis and for unemployment in the U.S.

[Infected Mushroom]

Trump has been fairly friendly right?

Yeah, and Hideki Tojo was friendly to China, too.

didn't he try to invade China?

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