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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 8:51 pm

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Heloin wrote:No. you're being racist.


I don't take any of this shit personally and I'm not pissed. I'm just telling you flat out that you're being racist.


and I'm telling you flat out your wrong :)

Her wrong what?
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 8:53 pm

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and I'm telling you flat out your wrong :)

Ok, you're allowed to be wrong, doesn't change reality.


Well considering your a syndicalist prescribing to the IWI, your views on what is or is not racism can hardly be trusted.

Your just as likley to call a run of hte mill conservative a nazi, so meh.
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 8:54 pm

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Heloin wrote:Ok, you're allowed to be wrong, doesn't change reality.


Well considering your a syndicalist prescribing to the IWI, your views on what is or is not racism can hardly be trusted.

Your just as likley to call a run of hte mill conservative a nazi, so meh.

That's an ad hominem fallacy and just flat out wrong. I've seen Heloin debate, and as much as I don't subscribe to her ideology, she's not like the American left that calls Trump a Nazi every time he breathes.

These are signs you're losing the argument. Stop. You've lost.
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 8:55 pm

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and I'm telling you flat out your wrong :)

Her wrong what?


You tell me, I have no idea what she is talking about.
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 8:56 pm

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Well considering your a syndicalist prescribing to the IWI, your views on what is or is not racism can hardly be trusted.

Your just as likley to call a run of hte mill conservative a nazi, so meh.

That's an ad hominem fallacy and just flat out wrong. I've seen Heloin debate, and as much as I don't subscribe to her ideology, she's not like the American left that calls Trump a Nazi every time he breathes.

These are signs you're losing the argument. Stop. You've lost.


It's not a personal attack, it's her beliefs which absolutely matter in regards to what is and isn't racist.

If a Nazi comes on here, you hold them to their beliefs do you not?
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Postby SangMar » Sun May 03, 2020 8:56 pm

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Heloin wrote:No. you're being racist.


I don't take any of this shit personally and I'm not pissed. I'm just telling you flat out that you're being racist.


and I'm telling you flat out your wrong :)


My man, you’re racist. You used Iran? (And no, saying that you’re aware they’re Persian doesn’t count) to criticise Arabs as a whole. You can complain, but not all Arabs are racist or treat workers like shit. I mean, hell - look at Oman. Mostly an ethnically Arab country. Do you know how many people from there joined ISIS?

I’ll give you a hint, and hopefully you’ll understand from here on that you can’t pin down an entire ethnic group as one thing or the other.

The hint is:

0. A fat fucking zero out of 2 and a half million people.
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 8:57 pm

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Nazeroth wrote:
and I'm telling you flat out your wrong :)


My man, you’re racist. You used Iran? (And no, saying that you’re aware they’re Persian doesn’t count) to criticise Arabs as a whole. You can complain, but not all Arabs are racist or treat workers like shit. I mean, hell - look at Oman. Mostly an ethnically Arab country. Do you know how many people from there joined ISIS?

I’ll give you a hint, and hopefully you’ll understand from here on that you can’t pin down an entire ethnic group as one thing or the other.

The hint is:

0. A fat fucking zero out of 2 and a half million people.


did you miss the part where I clarified my exact stance? would you like a quote?
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 8:58 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Atheris wrote:That's an ad hominem fallacy and just flat out wrong. I've seen Heloin debate, and as much as I don't subscribe to her ideology, she's not like the American left that calls Trump a Nazi every time he breathes.

These are signs you're losing the argument. Stop. You've lost.


It's not a personal attack, it's her beliefs which absolutely matter in regards to what is and isn't racist.

If a Nazi comes on here, you hold them to their beliefs do you not?

"You're just as likely to call a run-of-the-mill conservative a Nazi" Is an ad hominem attack. You're criticizing Heloin as a person, not the argument you're actually debating her with.

And, yes, I'd honestly like to witness a lively debate with a Nazi.
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Postby Heloin » Sun May 03, 2020 8:58 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Atheris wrote:That's an ad hominem fallacy and just flat out wrong. I've seen Heloin debate, and as much as I don't subscribe to her ideology, she's not like the American left that calls Trump a Nazi every time he breathes.

These are signs you're losing the argument. Stop. You've lost.


It's not a personal attack, it's her beliefs which absolutely matter in regards to what is and isn't racist.

I'm also a qualified Anthropologist who's main point of study was race, ethnic conflict, and genocide.

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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 8:59 pm

Atheris wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
It's not a personal attack, it's her beliefs which absolutely matter in regards to what is and isn't racist.

If a Nazi comes on here, you hold them to their beliefs do you not?

"You're just as likely to call a run-of-the-mill conservative a Nazi" Is an ad hominem attack. You're criticizing Heloin as a person, not the argument you're actually debating her with.

And, yes, I'd honestly like to witness a lively debate with a Nazi.


i would imagine calling someone racist without evidence is a personal attack more than anything, it's quite the thing to accuse someone of with no serious evidence, especially when I already clarified my stance.
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 9:00 pm

Heloin wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
It's not a personal attack, it's her beliefs which absolutely matter in regards to what is and isn't racist.

I'm also a qualified Anthropologist who's main point of study was race, ethnic conflict, and genocide.


Good for you?
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Postby Kannap » Sun May 03, 2020 9:03 pm

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Like America's historically treatment of people of color, and Israel's treatment of Palestinians, and America's complicity in the treatment of the Kurds


Black Americans have it better than the vast majority of Black Africans and enjoy way more rights and oppurtunity in the United States, regardless of what leftist propaganda would spout

Israel and Palestine have been killing eachother forever, it's a non issue

We do not owe the Kurds a damn thing nor are we at there beck and call.


Ah, racism is only worth calling out when its Africa and the Middle East. Gotcha
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Postby Heloin » Sun May 03, 2020 9:04 pm

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Heloin wrote:I'm also a qualified Anthropologist who's main point of study was race, ethnic conflict, and genocide.


Good for you?

If you want to try and use my personal beliefs to somehow disqualify what I say I'll bring up the fact that I'm actually qualified to talk about this short of crap.

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Postby Kannap » Sun May 03, 2020 9:05 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Heloin wrote:Criticising actions of groups and problems in a culture: Not Racist and not what you're doing.

Declaring a whole group of people to be racist and everything about them to be racist: Really, really racist and it's what you're doing.


I'm not saying a whole group of people are, to clarify, im stating that certain nations and their government structures and large portions of their populations are.

i'm sorry this pisses you off and you almost take it personally.


Like America, and America's organizational and government structures, and large portions of the American population.
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 9:05 pm

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Good for you?

If you want to try and use my personal beliefs to somehow disqualify what I say I'll bring up the fact that I'm actually qualified to talk about this short of crap.


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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 9:05 pm

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Black Americans have it better than the vast majority of Black Africans and enjoy way more rights and oppurtunity in the United States, regardless of what leftist propaganda would spout

Israel and Palestine have been killing eachother forever, it's a non issue

We do not owe the Kurds a damn thing nor are we at there beck and call.


Ah, racism is only worth calling out when its Africa and the Middle East. Gotcha


It's worth calling out everywhere, though, as i stated, racial violence is far worse in many places, such as Africa and the Middle East

Of course I also think it should be brought up more often since it seems to be ignored.
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Postby SangMar » Sun May 03, 2020 9:06 pm

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My man, you’re racist. You used Iran? (And no, saying that you’re aware they’re Persian doesn’t count) to criticise Arabs as a whole. You can complain, but not all Arabs are racist or treat workers like shit. I mean, hell - look at Oman. Mostly an ethnically Arab country. Do you know how many people from there joined ISIS?

I’ll give you a hint, and hopefully you’ll understand from here on that you can’t pin down an entire ethnic group as one thing or the other.

The hint is:

0. A fat fucking zero out of 2 and a half million people.


did you miss the part where I clarified my exact stance? would you like a quote?


No thank you, you can try and backtrack all you like. You’ve already made comments claiming to the effect that Arabs as an ethnic group are entirely racist - tarnishing them all with the same brush. So suddenly going, “I meant the governments, sorry guys,” doesn’t really do it for me.
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Postby Heloin » Sun May 03, 2020 9:07 pm

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Heloin wrote:If you want to try and use my personal beliefs to somehow disqualify what I say I'll bring up the fact that I'm actually qualified to talk about this short of crap.


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Postby Kannap » Sun May 03, 2020 9:08 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
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Ah, racism is only worth calling out when its Africa and the Middle East. Gotcha


It's worth calling out everywhere, though, as i stated, racial violence is far worse in many places, such as Africa and the Middle East

Of course I also think it should be brought up more often since it seems to be ignored.


You brought up examples, I brought up more examples. You immediately argued against and disregarded my examples. That leaves it really hard for me to believe you think racism is worth calling out everywhere.
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Postby SangMar » Sun May 03, 2020 9:08 pm

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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 9:09 pm

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Nazeroth wrote:
did you miss the part where I clarified my exact stance? would you like a quote?


No thank you, you can try and backtrack all you like. You’ve already made comments claiming to the effect that Arabs as an ethnic group are entirely racist - tarnishing them all with the same brush. So suddenly going, “I meant the governments, sorry guys,” doesn’t really do it for me.


ah so no evidence just babbling, got it, thanks.
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 9:11 pm

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It's worth calling out everywhere, though, as i stated, racial violence is far worse in many places, such as Africa and the Middle East

Of course I also think it should be brought up more often since it seems to be ignored.


You brought up examples, I brought up more examples. You immediately argued against and disregarded my examples. That leaves it really hard for me to believe you think racism is worth calling out everywhere.


You do understand that the racial violence in places like the USA or west in general vs places in the middle east and africa are like.....not even remotely on the same scale or level right?
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 9:13 pm

Heloin wrote:
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Good for you?

If you want to try and use my personal beliefs to somehow disqualify what I say I'll bring up the fact that I'm actually qualified to talk about this short of crap.


Well, I'm certainty happy you feel qualified, I really am, are you also qualified to re-read my post where I clarified my position or are you going to continue to cry racism?
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Postby Atheris » Sun May 03, 2020 9:14 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
SangMar wrote:
No thank you, you can try and backtrack all you like. You’ve already made comments claiming to the effect that Arabs as an ethnic group are entirely racist - tarnishing them all with the same brush. So suddenly going, “I meant the governments, sorry guys,” doesn’t really do it for me.


ah so no evidence just babbling, got it, thanks.

Words can be evidence, too. It's called "testimony".

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Postby Nazeroth » Sun May 03, 2020 9:15 pm

Atheris wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
ah so no evidence just babbling, got it, thanks.

Words can be evidence, too. It's called "testimony".

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You know, I'm so happy you say that, because I have this cute little quote here for you.


"I'm not saying a whole group of people are, to clarify, im stating that certain nations and their government structures and large portions of their populations are."
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