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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:48 pm

Canada isnt a member of NATO?
plus i am certain there is a sizable US military presence in the ROK and Japan.
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The skill of the liberals. It took two kochs to match one soros.

I never thought you'd be one to praise a multi-billionaire.


Actually; I respect self made people.

My old boss was a boat person. He retired a millionaire.

Don’t know the history of the three though....
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While Soros doesn't have a twin brother, his sons are working for him in more or less the same capacity.


What about the Kochs? Any children doing the business?


Charles Koch has two adult children. One is an executive in the family business. The other not involved in the family business.
David Koch is dead and none of his children are involved in the family business.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 pm

Loben III wrote:Canada isnt a member of NATO
plus i am certain there is a sizable US military presence in the ROK and Japan.

Checking nato.int, it is part of NATO, certifiably.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Loben III wrote:Canada isnt a member of NATO
plus i am certain there is a sizable US military presence in the ROK and Japan.

Checking nato.int, it is part of NATO, certifiably.


i had a question mark there, sorry.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:53 pm

Loben III wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Checking nato.int, it is part of NATO, certifiably.


i had a question mark there, sorry.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:54 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:President Trump is kicking the illegals out, ICE arrests 2,000+ illegal immigrants in sweep; 85% with criminal convictions or charges

Trump's regime also lost hundreds of children, and put thousands of others in concentration camps where many of them were systematically abused... so I guess it balances out. At least he finally caught bad people who... wait, did you say criminal convictions or charges? Meaning that you don't even know if they're guilty of any actual crime?

I would have thought that someone whose family fled Maoist China would be a bit concerned over people being forced out of the country they call home without due process.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:54 pm

Loben III wrote:1. Canada isnt a member of NATO
2. plus i am certain there is a sizable US military presence in the ROK and Japan.

1. Shockingly, you can be part of NATO and have your own independently and fully funded military. But I can see why you'd ignore that part because it goes against the popular right wing narrative on this site that you can only have comprehensive social safety nets if you give up defending yourself and leech off the US.
2. Already been over this 3-5 pages ago~
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Postby Liriena » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:56 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:George Soros, globalists, cultural marxists... they don't outright say Jews, but the dogwhistles are there.

Soros is just the boogeyman equivalent of Koch due to the money funneled into political campaigns. Globalists are the same as establishment neoliberals, and the Frankfurt School does exist. These people might be touching on an exaggerated problem, but it is unwise to dismiss them because you instinctively believe they're referring to Jews.

Uuuuuh, not to be a huge pedant but the Frankfurt School existed. Past tense. And also they were mostly a bunch of Jewish academics who studied cultural issues.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:56 pm

New haven america wrote:
Loben III wrote:1. Canada isnt a member of NATO
2. plus i am certain there is a sizable US military presence in the ROK and Japan.

1. Shockingly, you can be part of NATO and have your own independently and fully funded military. But I can see why you'd ignore that part because it goes against the narrative that you can only have comprehensive social safety nets if you give up defending yourself and leech off the US.
2. Already been over this 3-5 pages ago~


just saying that you included Canada, the ROK and Japan as part of your "list of countries not in NATO or defended by the US" where we have had Troops in the latter two for the better part of.....55 years?

i mean i dont mean to bust your balls over a simple mistake but it does make you seem just a bit disingenuous.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:57 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Soros is just the boogeyman equivalent of Koch due to the money funneled into political campaigns. Globalists are the same as establishment neoliberals, and the Frankfurt School does exist. These people might be touching on an exaggerated problem, but it is unwise to dismiss them because you instinctively believe they're referring to Jews.

Uuuuuh, not to be a huge pedant but the Frankfurt School existed. Past tense. And also they were mostly a bunch of Jewish academics who studied cultural issues.


not really helping their case here.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Soros is just the boogeyman equivalent of Koch due to the money funneled into political campaigns. Globalists are the same as establishment neoliberals, and the Frankfurt School does exist. These people might be touching on an exaggerated problem, but it is unwise to dismiss them because you instinctively believe they're referring to Jews.

Uuuuuh, not to be a huge pedant but the Frankfurt School existed. Past tense. And also they were mostly a bunch of Jewish academics who studied cultural issues.


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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:59 pm

Loben III wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Shockingly, you can be part of NATO and have your own independently and fully funded military. But I can see why you'd ignore that part because it goes against the narrative that you can only have comprehensive social safety nets if you give up defending yourself and leech off the US.
2. Already been over this 3-5 pages ago~


1. just saying that you included Canada, the ROK and Japan as part of your "list of countries not in NATO or defended by the US" where we have had Troops in the latter two for the better part of.....55 years?

2. i mean i dont mean to bust your balls over a simple mistake but it does make you seem just a bit disingenuous.

1. Yes, because they're not defended by the US, they all have their own independently and fully funded militaries or defense forces. Any other questions?
2. You're the only one here who's mistaken... Well, actually any other right-wing user on right now who believes that the only way you can have comprehensive social safety nets is if you start leeching off the US is mistaken too.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:00 pm

Loben III wrote:
Liriena wrote:Uuuuuh, not to be a huge pedant but the Frankfurt School existed. Past tense. And also they were mostly a bunch of Jewish academics who studied cultural issues.


not really helping their case here.

Actually, I imagine a lot of right-wingers would love them if they actually bothered to read their work.

Adorno and Horkheimer were complaining about Hollywood's bad influence and the shittiness of popular music before it was cool.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:01 pm

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Liriena wrote:Uuuuuh, not to be a huge pedant but the Frankfurt School existed. Past tense. And also they were mostly a bunch of Jewish academics who studied cultural issues.


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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:01 pm

New haven america wrote:
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1. just saying that you included Canada, the ROK and Japan as part of your "list of countries not in NATO or defended by the US" where we have had Troops in the latter two for the better part of.....55 years?

2. i mean i dont mean to bust your balls over a simple mistake but it does make you seem just a bit disingenuous.

1. Yes, because they're not defended by the US, they all have their own independently and fully funded militaries or defense forces. Any other questions?
2. You're the only one here who's mistaken... Well, actually any other right-wing user on right now who believes that the only way you can have comprehensive social safety nets is if you start leeching off the US is mistaken too.


does the US military not have active defensive roles in the ROK and japan?
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:03 pm

Loben III wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Yes, because they're not defended by the US, they all have their own independently and fully funded militaries or defense forces. Any other questions?
2. You're the only one here who's mistaken... Well, actually any other right-wing user on right now who believes that the only way you can have comprehensive social safety nets is if you start leeching off the US is mistaken too.


does the US military not have active defensive roles in the ROK and japan?

Maybe less in Japan now but IIRC there's an entire army group in the ROK rn
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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:05 pm

Loben III wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Yes, because they're not defended by the US, they all have their own independently and fully funded militaries or defense forces. Any other questions?
2. You're the only one here who's mistaken... Well, actually any other right-wing user on right now who believes that the only way you can have comprehensive social safety nets is if you start leeching off the US is mistaken too.


does the US military not have active defensive roles in the ROK and japan?

Nope, they're in a partnership too keep NK or China from acting up.

So no, SK and Japan are fully capable of defending themselves, but we've already been over this discussion 3-5 pages ago, so go read over that if you're interested.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:06 pm

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does the US military not have active defensive roles in the ROK and japan?

Nope, they're in a partnership too keep NK or China from acting up.

So no, SK and Japan are fully capable of defending themselves
, but we've already been over this discussion 3-5 pages ago, so go read over that if you're interested.


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Postby Loben III » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:08 pm

New haven america wrote:
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does the US military not have active defensive roles in the ROK and japan?

Nope, they're in a partnership too keep NK or China from acting up.

So no, SK and Japan are fully capable of defending themselves, but we've already been over this discussion 3-5 pages ago, so go read over that if you're interested.


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But who's going to vote for MacLean, MacDougal, and MacNeil?
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Bear Stearns wrote:But who's going to vote for MacLean, MacDougal, and MacNeil?

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Bear Stearns wrote:But who's going to vote for MacLean, MacDougal, and MacNeil?


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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:57 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Soros is just the boogeyman equivalent of Koch due to the money funneled into political campaigns. Globalists are the same as establishment neoliberals, and the Frankfurt School does exist. These people might be touching on an exaggerated problem, but it is unwise to dismiss them because you instinctively believe they're referring to Jews.

Uuuuuh, not to be a huge pedant but the Frankfurt School existed. Past tense. And also they were mostly a bunch of Jewish academics who studied cultural issues.

Their legacy lives on, however. The Frankfurt School was predominately Marxist.
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not really helping their case here.

Actually, I imagine a lot of right-wingers would love them if they actually bothered to read their work.

Adorno and Horkheimer were complaining about Hollywood's bad influence and the shittiness of popular music before it was cool.

That's because it fits with the anti-capitalist mindset that the profit motive ruins art. If only we had a phrase to describe a Marxist interpretation of culture...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:58 pm

So Trump says fake news reported he had mini strokes. The problem? Nobody reported he did.

Good job there donnie.
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