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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:18 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:And therein lies the issue; if you are posting on these forums, you are likely to be hardwired into the political news cycle, and thus know every little detail about prominent politicians lives or how their ideology exactly matches to your opinions.

The average American? Fuck no. They have not had the time to dig into the history of the California Attorney General or the San Francisco DA's office. They probably are not going to really, truly, base their vote off of Harris.

Of course the political forum types are all up in arms cause the candidates all won't match your views 100% of the time. A VP pick that matches a progressive's view only 60% of the time is better than having Pence matching 0% of their views. There's also a lot of focus on these more minor things and not the bigger picture with Trump and how to battle the GOP.


Biden has made it a big thing, and I don't think that was wise of him. But you shouldn't just look at it from the point of view of the Democrats who've been talking about the choice. They matter of course, particularly the Bernie-aligned ones who were waiting for a reason to come over to Biden, but you've heard A LOT from them about the VP choice.

Consider how this is going to affect moderate and Republican voters. It's a woman, OK, but it's a black woman and that has to rub them up the wrong way. The Democratic party, like the Republican party, is mostly white men. There's no way of spinning the choice of a black woman as anything but Affirmative Action. What's more, Biden has been blatant about it: announcing long ago it would be a woman, then a few weeks ago hinting it would be a person of color. He's rubbing their noses in it, they cannot NOT react.

So the first line of attack will be her previous experience, as a prosecutor. A black prosecutor who went after the low-hanging fruit of black criminals. Imagine how easy it must be to persuade a jury that, regardless of their race, a defendant is guilty. When the prosecutor is black herself.

What appears to Democrats as a great weakness of Harris, is actually a near-unbeatable strength against Republican attacks. She's black, she's a woman, and she's less racist than they are. Republicans are going to be asking themselves "do we have someone just like her?"
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Postby Fahran » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:40 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Republicans are going to be asking themselves "do we have someone just like her?"

Candace Owens? :p

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:57 am

Fahran wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Republicans are going to be asking themselves "do we have someone just like her?"

Candace Owens? :p


Not for long if they keep letting Covid denial pluck away their token minorities.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:28 am

Rusozak wrote:
Fahran wrote:Candace Owens? :p


Not for long if they keep letting Covid denial pluck away their token minorities.

Ben Carson?
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Postby Fahran » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:36 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Not for long if they keep letting Covid denial pluck away their token minorities.

Ben Carson?

I wouldn't really consider people like Carson and Thomas tokens. Both of them were insanely accomplished in their respective fields and probably had/have good reasons for acting as they have.

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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:38 am

Fahran wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Ben Carson?

I wouldn't really consider people like Carson and Thomas tokens. Both of them were insanely accomplished in their respective fields and probably had/have good reasons for acting as they have.
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Postby Diahon » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:48 am

so apparently trump has decided to very publicly back a q-washed congressional candidate by tweet

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:13 am

Fahran wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Ben Carson?

I wouldn't really consider people like Carson and Thomas tokens. Both of them were insanely accomplished in their respective fields and probably had/have good reasons for acting as they have.

Ben Carson is an accomplished surgeon. As director of HUD? No. Token.


Or political prop, I guess…
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:18 am

Diahon wrote:so apparently trump has decided to very publicly back a q-washed congressional candidate by tweet

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck


Why are you suprised? He follows conspiracy theories.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:30 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Cisairse wrote:pretty sure harris matches about 1% of my views

that's a worse track record than the milk I buy

Lol like Pence would match 2% of your views.

Pence certainly matches the milk based on whiteness

and blandness
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:32 am

Cisairse wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Lol like Pence would match 2% of your views.

Pence certainly matches the milk based on whiteness

and blandness

At least milk is healthy…
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:32 am

Kowani wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Pence certainly matches the milk based on whiteness

and blandness

At least milk is healthy…


And can be deceptively bad for you.
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Postby Diahon » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:34 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Diahon wrote:so apparently trump has decided to very publicly back a q-washed congressional candidate by tweet

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck


Why are you suprised? He follows conspiracy theories.


the last thing the united states needs is its leader cynically and ever-more-explicitly exploiting the collective neuroses of millions for his own personal and political gain

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:37 am

Diahon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Why are you suprised? He follows conspiracy theories.


the last thing the united states needs is its leader cynically and ever-more-explicitly exploiting the collective neuroses of millions for his own personal and political gain


Indeed. We will find out in November.
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Postby Diahon » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:45 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Diahon wrote:
the last thing the united states needs is its leader cynically and ever-more-explicitly exploiting the collective neuroses of millions for his own personal and political gain


Indeed. We will find out in November.


and if you find out that trump stays on beyond next year?

then?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:51 am

Diahon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Indeed. We will find out in November.


and if you find out that trump stays on beyond next year?

then?


We deserve the shitstorm that will pound us. We will loose the benefit of having a moment of stupidity and be thought of as stupid by other nations., etc., etc.

Don’t be planning of any great expenditures.

Even if he looses; expect some vindictive moves on the social and tax fronts.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Cisairse » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:52 am

Diahon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Indeed. We will find out in November.


and if you find out that trump stays on beyond next year?

then?

First flight to Johannesburg
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Postby Diahon » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:59 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Diahon wrote:
and if you find out that trump stays on beyond next year?

then?


We deserve the shitstorm that will pound us. We will loose the benefit of having a moment of stupidity and be thought of as stupid by other nations., etc., etc.

Don’t be planning of any great expenditures.

Even if he looses; expect some vindictive moves on the social and tax fronts.


NO! the united states is NOT allowed to collapse! the liberal world order is NOT allowed to collapse and be replaced by a hellhole of authoritarianisms! NO! NO!

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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:00 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Diahon wrote:
and if you find out that trump stays on beyond next year?

then?

First flight to Johannesburg

No, we’re still banned from SA.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:05 pm

Kowani wrote:
Cisairse wrote:First flight to Johannesburg

No, we’re still banned from SA.
I thought you were a Spaniard.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:06 pm

-Astoria- wrote:
Kowani wrote:No, we’re still banned from SA.
I thought you were a Spaniard.

I am, but I live in California.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:19 pm

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:54 pm

Diahon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
We deserve the shitstorm that will pound us. We will loose the benefit of having a moment of stupidity and be thought of as stupid by other nations., etc., etc.

Don’t be planning of any great expenditures.

Even if he looses; expect some vindictive moves on the social and tax fronts.


NO! the united states is NOT allowed to collapse! the liberal world order is NOT allowed to collapse and be replaced by a hellhole of authoritarianisms! NO! NO!

This is what the American people chose when they elected an idiot and then just chose a senile, old, creep as the best challenger.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:55 pm

People are giving up American citizenship in record numbers, data reveals
Under current rules, people who want to give up their US citizenship have to shell out $2,350, besides having to appear in person at the US embassy in their country of residence.

Must be nice to be able to afford to quit.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:People are giving up American citizenship in record numbers, data reveals
Under current rules, people who want to give up their US citizenship have to shell out $2,350, besides having to appear in person at the US embassy in their country of residence.

Must be nice to be able to afford to quit.

Such a way out is not exactly cheap or free, I wonder how many people who said they'd leave 4 years ago actually did leave and spent literally thousands to do so?

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