MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Gravlen]

I don't see other nations trying to discourage masks. Or stripping back their own ability to respond to major outbreaks. Or insist that the outbreak isn't real. Or prevent hospitals from sending outbreak data to the body meant to coordinate responses.

Trump held news conferences you and I saw and we all saw urging people to wear the masks and social distance.

Trump said the recommendations, which came after a week of heated deliberations inside the White House, were voluntary and that he would not partake.

"I don't think I'm going to be doing it," he said, going on to suggest it was hard to envision such a thing in the Oval Office: "Wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens — I just don't see it."

Urging? Not really. Instead, he emphasized that the guidance were voluntary, and saying he didn't see a point to wearing it himself because he "feels good".

Businesses by government laws and their own rules and regulations are requiring workers and customers to wear masks and social distance, hospitals and doctors are dealing with the virus crisis, they cant do more.

Trump has mocked the idea of wearing masks, and have played up the culture war aspect of it all.

Last month, he told the Wall Street Journal that some people only wore masks as a political statement against him.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Trump held news conferences you and I saw and we all saw urging people to wear the masks and social distance.

Trump said the recommendations, which came after a week of heated deliberations inside the White House, were voluntary and that he would not partake.

"I don't think I'm going to be doing it," he said, going on to suggest it was hard to envision such a thing in the Oval Office: "Wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens — I just don't see it."

Urging? Not really. Instead, he emphasized that the guidance were voluntary, and saying he didn't see a point to wearing it himself because he "feels good".

Businesses by government laws and their own rules and regulations are requiring workers and customers to wear masks and social distance, hospitals and doctors are dealing with the virus crisis, they cant do more.

Trump has mocked the idea of wearing masks, and have played up the culture war aspect of it all.

Last month, he told the Wall Street Journal that some people only wore masks as a political statement against him.

He said all these things as well, I did not lie, and private businesses and persons are practicing it.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Trump said the recommendations, which came after a week of heated deliberations inside the White House, were voluntary and that he would not partake.

"I don't think I'm going to be doing it," he said, going on to suggest it was hard to envision such a thing in the Oval Office: "Wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens — I just don't see it."

Urging? Not really. Instead, he emphasized that the guidance were voluntary, and saying he didn't see a point to wearing it himself because he "feels good".


Trump has mocked the idea of wearing masks, and have played up the culture war aspect of it all.

Last month, he told the Wall Street Journal that some people only wore masks as a political statement against him.

He said all these things as well, I did not lie, and private businesses and persons are practicing it.

So, he contradicted himself?

[Greater Miami Shores]

He said all these things as well, I did not lie, and private businesses and persons are practicing it.

So, he contradicted himself?

My point is I did not lie, my Post is a Fact.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So, he contradicted himself?

My point is I did not lie, my Post is a Fact.

A point we can dicuss further in the Miami Shores Megathread. If you told facts, and Gravlen also posted facts, then by logical necessity, Trump must have contradicted himself. So, you can make three claimes. Either:

1. Your statements are false;
2. Gravlen’s statements are false;
3. Trump contradicted himself on an important issue of national security.

Your pick.

[The Black Forrest]

Trump said the recommendations, which came after a week of heated deliberations inside the White House, were voluntary and that he would not partake.

"I don't think I'm going to be doing it," he said, going on to suggest it was hard to envision such a thing in the Oval Office: "Wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens — I just don't see it."

Urging? Not really. Instead, he emphasized that the guidance were voluntary, and saying he didn't see a point to wearing it himself because he "feels good".


Trump has mocked the idea of wearing masks, and have played up the culture war aspect of it all.

Last month, he told the Wall Street Journal that some people only wore masks as a political statement against him.

He said all these things as well, I did not lie, and private businesses and persons are practicing it.

Time for some fun.

How many times has he promoted using masks?

How many times has he discouraged or down played wearing masks?

[Gravlen]

So, he contradicted himself?

My point is I did not lie, my Post is a Fact.

It's still a useless post. You don't seem to understand the difference between calling the fire brigade the moment you see the house is on fire, and waiting around for hours after you've noticed the fire, watching the house burn down, before you call them.

The fact that you called the fire brigade in both scenarios does not mean the situations are the same, as the totality of the actions are very different and lead to vastly different outcomes.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile, in reality...

Meanwhile, I reality my post is a Fact.

So you deny that Trump cut the CDC's pandemic response teams? You deny that Trump and the Federal Government blocked states from importing PPE to equip their healthcare workers to the point where state governments had to resort to smuggling shipments into the country? You deny that Trump repeatedly claimed that this virus was a hoax, or that it would all be over quickly with minimal casualties as soon as the weather warmed up? You deny that Trump banned the wearing of masks at his Tulsa rally?

You deny all these things?

[Neutraligon]

Meanwhile, I reality my post is a Fact.

So you deny that Trump cut the CDC's pandemic response teams? You deny that Trump and the Federal Government blocked states from importing PPE to equip their healthcare workers to the point where state governments had to resort to smuggling shipments into the country? You deny that Trump repeatedly claimed that this virus was a hoax, or that it would all be over quickly with minimal casualties as soon as the weather warmed up? You deny that Trump banned the wearing of masks at his Tulsa rally?

You deny all these things?

Don't forget ...appropriating...PPE equipment that states bought and where in desperate need of.

[Vassenor]

So you deny that Trump cut the CDC's pandemic response teams? You deny that Trump and the Federal Government blocked states from importing PPE to equip their healthcare workers to the point where state governments had to resort to smuggling shipments into the country? You deny that Trump repeatedly claimed that this virus was a hoax, or that it would all be over quickly with minimal casualties as soon as the weather warmed up? You deny that Trump banned the wearing of masks at his Tulsa rally?

You deny all these things?

Don't forget ...appropriating...PPE equipment that states bought and where in desperate need of.

Oh yeah, it wasn't just blocking, it was actively confiscating.

[Gravlen]

Meanwhile, I reality my post is a Fact.

So you deny that Trump cut the CDC's pandemic response teams? You deny that Trump and the Federal Government blocked states from importing PPE to equip their healthcare workers to the point where state governments had to resort to smuggling shipments into the country? You deny that Trump repeatedly claimed that this virus was a hoax, or that it would all be over quickly with minimal casualties as soon as the weather warmed up? You deny that Trump banned the wearing of masks at his Tulsa rally?

You deny all these things?

Indeed, if the question is what the Trump administration did differently than the countries who've been more successful at handling Covid-19, the answer will give you a long and sad list.

[Outer Sparta]

Don't forget ...appropriating...PPE equipment that states bought and where in desperate need of.

Oh yeah, it wasn't just blocking, it was actively confiscating.

Jared knows a lot about that.

[Neutraligon]

So you deny that Trump cut the CDC's pandemic response teams? You deny that Trump and the Federal Government blocked states from importing PPE to equip their healthcare workers to the point where state governments had to resort to smuggling shipments into the country? You deny that Trump repeatedly claimed that this virus was a hoax, or that it would all be over quickly with minimal casualties as soon as the weather warmed up? You deny that Trump banned the wearing of masks at his Tulsa rally?

You deny all these things?

Indeed, if the question is what the Trump administration did differently than the countries who've been more successful at handling Covid-19, the answer will give you a long and sad list.

We can also include attacking one of the leading experts on pandemic diseases, pushing an unproven drug despite regulators having serious reservations since the drug was not benign and creating an shortage of that necessary medication for the users it was approved for, and refusing to meet with said leading expert (and said expert has been in office for 6 presidents if I recall right).

[Vassenor]

Indeed, if the question is what the Trump administration did differently than the countries who've been more successful at handling Covid-19, the answer will give you a long and sad list.

We can also include attacking one of the leading experts on pandemic diseases, pushing an unproven drug despite regulators having serious reservations since the drug was not benign and creating an shortage of that necessary medication for the users it was approved for, and refusing to meet with said leading expert (and said expert has been in office for 6 presidents if I recall right).

And promoting actively harmful treatments on top of that such as injecting disinfectant.

[Genivaria]

Don't forget ...appropriating...PPE equipment that states bought and where in desperate need of.

Oh yeah, it wasn't just blocking, it was actively confiscating.

A thorough investigation should conclude with Trump being put against a wall.

[Neutraligon]

We can also include attacking one of the leading experts on pandemic diseases, pushing an unproven drug despite regulators having serious reservations since the drug was not benign and creating an shortage of that necessary medication for the users it was approved for, and refusing to meet with said leading expert (and said expert has been in office for 6 presidents if I recall right).

And promoting actively harmful treatments on top of that such as injecting disinfectant.

Oh, I forgot one, touring a PPE producing factory without a facemask/isolating equipment, necessitating the destruction of a whole days worth of product.

[Gravlen]

And promoting actively harmful treatments on top of that such as injecting disinfectant.

Oh, I forgot one, touring a PPE producing factory without a facemask/isolating equipment, necessitating the destruction of a whole days worth of product.

We should also include his travel bans. Not the bans themselves, but the way they were implemented. Remember the people rushing to get back from Europe before the ban took effect, who were then herded together after arriving, waiting for a cursory screening? That probably caused several superspreader events.

[Gormwood]

And promoting actively harmful treatments on top of that such as injecting disinfectant.

Oh, I forgot one, touring a PPE producing factory without a facemask/isolating equipment, necessitating the destruction of a whole days worth of product.

Yeah, we really should put the Trump cultist on ignore. No good faith arguments, just reflexive BothSame rebuttals and more deflections than a lightsaber fight.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Oh, I forgot one, touring a PPE producing factory without a facemask/isolating equipment, necessitating the destruction of a whole days worth of product.

Yeah, we really should put the Trump cultist on ignore. No good faith arguments, just reflexive BothSame rebuttals and more deflections than a lightsaber fight.

The Trump Cultist: I am still very proud of my perfect record of not baiting, trolling or using foul language against my fellow nations. I got in trouble twice with the Mods for trying to explain what I think Trump meant by the Hoax. According to the Moderators I did not explain it correctly.

The Trump Cultist is usually very civil to all his fellow nations. The Trump Cultist does not like to put any fellow nation on ignore. Because the Trump Cultists respects all fellow nations different economic, political and social views. Likes to see and read and quote all nations different, economic, political and social views. The Trump Cultist at least doesn't tell his fellow nations I am right and you are wrong when we strongly disagree on Trump and all issues. The Trump Cultist does not make fun of other nations personal and political views. The Trump Cultist does not use foul language against his fellow nations. and G talks about no good faith arguments, just reflexive Both Same rebuttals and more deflections than a lightsaber fight. Whatever the heck a few of those words mean.

I have noticed I have a very respectful back and forth with the Moderators on the threads they participate on, than I don't have with many of my leftists fellow NS Nations.

[Fedel]

Oh, I forgot one, touring a PPE producing factory without a facemask/isolating equipment, necessitating the destruction of a whole days worth of product.

Yeah, we really should put the Trump cultist on ignore. No good faith arguments, just reflexive BothSame rebuttals and more deflections than a lightsaber fight.

I mean, if you feel that's what they're doing, maybe that's the best course of action for you tbh. I don't think it's helpful myself, but if you really can't get past the disagreements you have to actually discuss something, it might be for the best.

[The Black Forrest]

Meanwhile, I reality my post is a Fact.

So you deny that Trump cut the CDC's pandemic response teams? You deny that Trump and the Federal Government blocked states from importing PPE to equip their healthcare workers to the point where state governments had to resort to smuggling shipments into the country? You deny that Trump repeatedly claimed that this virus was a hoax, or that it would all be over quickly with minimal casualties as soon as the weather warmed up? You deny that Trump banned the wearing of masks at his Tulsa rally?

You deny all these things?

Wellllll he didn’t officially ban them. He made an effort to discourage their use and repeat the lie of they can hurt you.

He did ignore the social distance rules and had people remove the “do not sit here” stickers from the seating. The place had every other seat tagged to not use.

By his lack of planning and leadership; he did create an environment of bidding wars on needed gear and then jumped in and started buying gear.....

[Cannot think of a name]

Yeah, we really should put the Trump cultist on ignore. No good faith arguments, just reflexive BothSame rebuttals and more deflections than a lightsaber fight.

I mean, if you feel that's what they're doing, maybe that's the best course of action for you tbh. I don't think it's helpful myself, but if you really can't get past the disagreements you have to actually discuss something, it might be for the best.

That's what you think is happening in this particular instance? Maybe you think he's talking broadly and not about a specific prolific poster with only one note on his trumpet.

[Fedel]

I mean, if you feel that's what they're doing, maybe that's the best course of action for you tbh. I don't think it's helpful myself, but if you really can't get past the disagreements you have to actually discuss something, it might be for the best.

That's what you think is happening in this particular instance? Maybe you think he's talking broadly and not about a specific prolific poster with only one note on his trumpet.

I don't know what your particular history with this individual is. I'm just speaking broadly tbh.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Just a slight comment, Miami Shores Maga Thread when you guys make up about 80 to 90 % of the posters on these related threads, lol.

[Rojava Free State]

So, he contradicted himself?

My point is I did not lie, my Post is a Fact.

You may not have lied but Trump has lied repeatedly when it comes to covid.