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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:26 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:The right thing done by the wrong person can sometimes be worse than doing nothing.


Not really.


Hmmm. Actually yes unless of course you have an example?
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:And that is bad because...

The right thing done by the wrong person can sometimes be worse than doing nothing.

Could you elaborate?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:54 pm

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The Emerald Legion wrote:
Not really.


Hmmm. Actually yes unless of course you have an example?


Do you have an example of someone doing the right thing but it being the wrong person and so it miraculously turns out bad?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:12 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm. Actually yes unless of course you have an example?


Do you have an example of someone doing the right thing but it being the wrong person and so it miraculously turns out bad?


A question to a question isn’t an answer. If you don’t have an example, it’s easier to simply write “I don’t”
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:33 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Do you have an example of someone doing the right thing but it being the wrong person and so it miraculously turns out bad?


A question to a question isn’t an answer. If you don’t have an example, it’s easier to simply write “I don’t”


And you are owed an answer because....?

They made a baseless assertion because they don't like it when Trump does things right, because it undermines their mental cardboard cutout of Trump as a racist idiot. I said their assertion was wrong and dumb. I don't need to justify why.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:52 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
A question to a question isn’t an answer. If you don’t have an example, it’s easier to simply write “I don’t”


And you are owed an answer because....?

They made a baseless assertion because they don't like it when Trump does things right, because it undermines their mental cardboard cutout of Trump as a racist idiot. I said their assertion was wrong and dumb. I don't need to justify why.


Tbf, the whole "you know who else did X ? Y!", where Y is often Hitler or similar is a popular thing to discredit ideas and encourage other actions.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:And that is bad because...

The right thing done by the wrong person can sometimes be worse than doing nothing.

That doesn't make any sense.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:39 am

I'm not seeing any reason why the Chinese won't follow the American approach of their own law trumps international law. If Xi says the Spratlys are his then that is the law, and no more illegal than the US occupation of Diego Garcia.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:54 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm not seeing any reason why the Chinese won't follow the American approach of their own law trumps international law. If Xi says the Spratlys are his then that is the law, and no more illegal than the US occupation of Diego Garcia.

Problem is you can't do that willy-nilly in the 21st century. Pretty sure the South East Asian countries will start negotiations with the US to balance the power and that is not an ideal scenario for China at all.

Also Diego Garcia belongs to the Brits and they let the US establish a joint military base there, starting in 1968.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:45 am

Picairn wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm not seeing any reason why the Chinese won't follow the American approach of their own law trumps international law. If Xi says the Spratlys are his then that is the law, and no more illegal than the US occupation of Diego Garcia.

Problem is you can't do that willy-nilly in the 21st century. Pretty sure the South East Asian countries will start negotiations with the US to balance the power and that is not an ideal scenario for China at all.

Also Diego Garcia belongs to the Brits and they let the US establish a joint military base there, starting in 1968.


This is just sabre rattling from the US for electoral purposes. The US aren't going to do more than that.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:57 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The right thing done by the wrong person can sometimes be worse than doing nothing.

That doesn't make any sense.

It does if you're not deliberately obtuse, but being deliberately obtuse is the coin of the realm in forums.

I mean...you know exactly what this means. The reason you cats are pretending it's confounding is because of how true it is, how Donald Trump of all people is the living breathing example of how completely true and obvious that is.

If you need a tracheotomy doing one is the right thing to do. Me doing one is just cutting your throat. I was the wrong person doing the right thing. I don't trust Trump with this because he has all the skill and tact for it that I have the surgical skills to perform a tracheotomy.

You know this, of course, because what I wrote wasn't that confounding. But you had to be deliberately obtuse because you know that Trump is the absolutely wrong person to handle this or any situation more complicated than tying his fucking shoe and everyone knows it.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:19 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That doesn't make any sense.

It does if you're not deliberately obtuse, but being deliberately obtuse is the coin of the realm in forums.

I mean...you know exactly what this means. The reason you cats are pretending it's confounding is because of how true it is, how Donald Trump of all people is the living breathing example of how completely true and obvious that is.

If you need a tracheotomy doing one is the right thing to do. Me doing one is just cutting your throat. I was the wrong person doing the right thing. I don't trust Trump with this because he has all the skill and tact for it that I have the surgical skills to perform a tracheotomy.

You know this, of course, because what I wrote wasn't that confounding. But you had to be deliberately obtuse because you know that Trump is the absolutely wrong person to handle this or any situation more complicated than tying his fucking shoe and everyone knows it.

They're also trying to ascribe visionary foresight and a principled opposition to Chinese expansionism from the same Donald Trump who spoke lovingly of Xi Jinping in regards to Chinese coronavirus response and likely has personal business interests including Ivanka's Chinese brand patents not to mention likely gave a thumbs-up to the Uighur concentration camps. A more realistic expectation is that Trump is looking through purely self-aggrandizing blinders and is trying to provoke a military conflict to give himself a War President boost for the 2020 election.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:29 am

I don't really care if Trump is only pressuring China because he wants China to assassinate Joe Biden, it's still better than if he wasn't pressuring China.

China must be opposed at every step, if Trump is doing that, great.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:34 am

Cisairse wrote:I don't really care if Trump is only pressuring China because he wants China to assassinate Joe Biden, it's still better than if he wasn't pressuring China.

China must be opposed at every step, if Trump is doing that, great.

It's also possible that should Trump get the War President boost he wants from a Chinese fight and gets reelected he'll promptly declare victory and bend over for Xi trying to net himself more sweet Chinese business deals in the process. A lot like how he campaigned on getting Hillary Clinton imprisoned then once he won it was "Now We Don't Care."
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:36 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That doesn't make any sense.

It does if you're not deliberately obtuse, but being deliberately obtuse is the coin of the realm in forums.

I mean...you know exactly what this means. The reason you cats are pretending it's confounding is because of how true it is, how Donald Trump of all people is the living breathing example of how completely true and obvious that is.

If you need a tracheotomy doing one is the right thing to do. Me doing one is just cutting your throat. I was the wrong person doing the right thing. I don't trust Trump with this because he has all the skill and tact for it that I have the surgical skills to perform a tracheotomy.

You know this, of course, because what I wrote wasn't that confounding. But you had to be deliberately obtuse because you know that Trump is the absolutely wrong person to handle this or any situation more complicated than tying his fucking shoe and everyone knows it.


Not really no. Because cutting a throat isn't a Tracheotomy. You're doing the wrong thing.

If a Hobo performs a perfect Tracheotomy, I'm not going to complain.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:39 am

Gormwood wrote:
Cisairse wrote:I don't really care if Trump is only pressuring China because he wants China to assassinate Joe Biden, it's still better than if he wasn't pressuring China.

China must be opposed at every step, if Trump is doing that, great.

It's also possible that should Trump get the War President boost he wants from a Chinese fight and gets reelected he'll promptly declare victory and bend over for Xi trying to net himself more sweet Chinese business deals in the process. A lot like how he campaigned on getting Hillary Clinton imprisoned then once he won it was "Now We Don't Care."

Well, let's hope he doesn't win re-election, then.

Remember, starting an end-of-term war only really works to help win re-election (historically) if you can use it to disparage your opponent. Bush didn't win in 2004 because he started a war, he won because he started a war and John Kerry had no substantial alternative plan to Bush's for the future of that war, and, more specifically, because Kerry's wartime ideas were overall lackluster and Bush tore him apart for not having military credentials.
Joe Biden is not John Kerry and Donald Trump is not George Bush. The strategy wouldn't work.

Trump needs something drastic to overcome Joe Biden's rock-solid 9-point lead over him nationally, but this ain't it.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:40 am

Man, this desperate need to lionize if not canonize Trump in the face of his documented track record...
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:42 am

Cisairse wrote:
Gormwood wrote:It's also possible that should Trump get the War President boost he wants from a Chinese fight and gets reelected he'll promptly declare victory and bend over for Xi trying to net himself more sweet Chinese business deals in the process. A lot like how he campaigned on getting Hillary Clinton imprisoned then once he won it was "Now We Don't Care."

Well, let's hope he doesn't win re-election, then.

Remember, starting an end-of-term war only really works to help win re-election (historically) if you can use it to disparage your opponent. Bush didn't win in 2004 because he started a war, he won because he started a war and John Kerry had no substantial alternative plan to Bush's for the future of that war, and, more specifically, because Kerry's wartime ideas were overall lackluster and Bush tore him apart for not having military credentials.
Joe Biden is not John Kerry and Donald Trump is not George Bush. The strategy wouldn't work.

Trump needs something drastic to overcome Joe Biden's rock-solid 9-point lead over him nationally, but this ain't it.


Not really no. Right now Trump is likely to win.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:44 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Well, let's hope he doesn't win re-election, then.

Remember, starting an end-of-term war only really works to help win re-election (historically) if you can use it to disparage your opponent. Bush didn't win in 2004 because he started a war, he won because he started a war and John Kerry had no substantial alternative plan to Bush's for the future of that war, and, more specifically, because Kerry's wartime ideas were overall lackluster and Bush tore him apart for not having military credentials.
Joe Biden is not John Kerry and Donald Trump is not George Bush. The strategy wouldn't work.

Trump needs something drastic to overcome Joe Biden's rock-solid 9-point lead over him nationally, but this ain't it.


Not really no. Right now Trump is likely to win.

are you sure about that buddy

cuz every poll, prediction, model, and even random people putting their money on the line 100% disagree with you.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:46 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:It does if you're not deliberately obtuse, but being deliberately obtuse is the coin of the realm in forums.

I mean...you know exactly what this means. The reason you cats are pretending it's confounding is because of how true it is, how Donald Trump of all people is the living breathing example of how completely true and obvious that is.

If you need a tracheotomy doing one is the right thing to do. Me doing one is just cutting your throat. I was the wrong person doing the right thing. I don't trust Trump with this because he has all the skill and tact for it that I have the surgical skills to perform a tracheotomy.

You know this, of course, because what I wrote wasn't that confounding. But you had to be deliberately obtuse because you know that Trump is the absolutely wrong person to handle this or any situation more complicated than tying his fucking shoe and everyone knows it.


Not really no. Because cutting a throat isn't a Tracheotomy. You're doing the wrong thing.

If a Hobo performs a perfect Tracheotomy, I'm not going to complain.

Like I said, being deliberately obtuse is the coin of the realm. I mean, I'm sure it felt like you were making an argument, and that's what's important, right?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:48 am

Cisairse wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Not really no. Right now Trump is likely to win.

are you sure about that buddy

cuz every poll, prediction, model, and even random people putting their money on the line 100% disagree with you.

something something 2016 the last thing to happen is the thing that will always happen lack of understanding of polls and probability etc. blah blah blah unprompted sideswipe at Clinton laugh at own joke...I think I've covered the auto-response.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:51 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Cisairse wrote:are you sure about that buddy

cuz every poll, prediction, model, and even random people putting their money on the line 100% disagree with you.

something something 2016 the last thing to happen is the thing that will always happen lack of understanding of polls and probability etc. blah blah blah unprompted sideswipe at Clinton laugh at own joke...I think I've covered the auto-response.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:23 am

Cisairse wrote:I don't really care if Trump is only pressuring China because he wants China to assassinate Joe Biden, it's still better than if he wasn't pressuring China.

China must be opposed at every step, if Trump is doing that, great.


Except he really is not. He is in debt to the bank of China, his new china trade policy heavily favors China and once the election is over, if he wins, i bet he will drop the facade and just say "China is our friend."
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:24 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Well, let's hope he doesn't win re-election, then.

Remember, starting an end-of-term war only really works to help win re-election (historically) if you can use it to disparage your opponent. Bush didn't win in 2004 because he started a war, he won because he started a war and John Kerry had no substantial alternative plan to Bush's for the future of that war, and, more specifically, because Kerry's wartime ideas were overall lackluster and Bush tore him apart for not having military credentials.
Joe Biden is not John Kerry and Donald Trump is not George Bush. The strategy wouldn't work.

Trump needs something drastic to overcome Joe Biden's rock-solid 9-point lead over him nationally, but this ain't it.


Not really no. Right now Trump is likely to win.


Says literally no one who doesn't wear a MAGA hat. Right now if the election was held today, Donald Trump would be out of office.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:50 am

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Gormwood wrote:Somebody's thirsting for that War President electoral bonus...

US rejects nearly all Chinese claims in South China Sea

Now watch China make it personal by revoking all of Ivanka's trademark patents in response.

And that is bad because...


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