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Postby Zapato » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:58 am

So an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president? Ho hum, I guess it's just another Friday...

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:05 am

Zapato wrote:So an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president? Ho hum, I guess it's just another Friday...


I would say cliton pardoning marc rich is much more worthy of condemnation than say the commutation of roger stone.
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Postby Juristonia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:11 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Zapato wrote:So an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president? Ho hum, I guess it's just another Friday...


I would say cliton pardoning marc rich is much more worthy of condemnation than say the commutation of roger stone.

Pretty sure Trump is president at the moment.
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Postby Ism » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:11 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Zapato wrote:So an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president? Ho hum, I guess it's just another Friday...


I would say cliton pardoning marc rich is much more worthy of condemnation than say the commutation of roger stone.


Clinton has been out of office for nearly 20 years. Trump could be in office for another 4. I think your priorities could use some rethinking.
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Postby Zapato » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:21 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Zapato wrote:So an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president? Ho hum, I guess it's just another Friday...


I would say cliton pardoning marc rich is much more worthy of condemnation than say the commutation of roger stone.

Why?

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Postby Galloism » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:22 am

Zapato wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
I would say cliton pardoning marc rich is much more worthy of condemnation than say the commutation of roger stone.

Why?

He had a (D) after his name.
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Postby Zapato » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:23 am

Galloism wrote:
Zapato wrote:Why?

He had a (D) after his name.

Makes sense.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:36 am

Galloism wrote:
Zapato wrote:Why?

He had a (D) after his name.

Point of order! I'd also would have condemned if it were a person with an (R) or any other letter.
Just pointing out that presidents pardon or commute sentences and that some are worse than others as in the case of rich v stone. IMO, stone is small potatoes.
If I had it my way, those being pardoned or commuted would have to run a gauntlet, victory = freedom, failure = back to jail or the gallows.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:41 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Galloism wrote:He had a (D) after his name.

Point of order! I'd also would have condemned if it were a person with an (R) or any other letter.
Just pointing out that presidents pardon or commute sentences and that some are worse than others as in the case of rich v stone. IMO, stone is small potatoes.
If I had it my way, those being pardoned or commuted would have to run a gauntlet, victory = freedom, failure = back to jail or the gallows.

didn't he also pardon a terrorist
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:50 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Point of order! I'd also would have condemned if it were a person with an (R) or any other letter.
Just pointing out that presidents pardon or commute sentences and that some are worse than others as in the case of rich v stone. IMO, stone is small potatoes.
If I had it my way, those being pardoned or commuted would have to run a gauntlet, victory = freedom, failure = back to jail or the gallows.

didn't he also pardon a terrorist

If my memory serves me correctly.
He commuted/pardoned 16 members of FALN
Linda Evans, Susan Rosenberg and Patty Hearst.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:22 am

Galloism wrote:
Zapato wrote:Why?

He had a (D) after his name.


Probably had a D in other places too in exchange for being let out of jail.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:23 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:didn't he also pardon a terrorist

If my memory serves me correctly.
He commuted/pardoned 16 members of FALN
Linda Evans, Susan Rosenberg and Patty Hearst.


Who is the FALN?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:26 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:If my memory serves me correctly.
He commuted/pardoned 16 members of FALN
Linda Evans, Susan Rosenberg and Patty Hearst.


Who is the FALN?

Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional, a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization. They were responsible for hundreds of bomb attacks in the US.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:29 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Who is the FALN?

Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional, a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization. They were responsible for hundreds of bomb attacks in the US.


Oh yeah, those guys. I remember now.

Why would anyone pardon a group of folks who bomb people?
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:31 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Zapato wrote:So an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president? Ho hum, I guess it's just another Friday...


I would say cliton pardoning marc rich is much more worthy of condemnation than say the commutation of roger stone.

Marc Rich wasn't convicted and sentenced for committing crimes to aid Clinton in covering up and obstructing an ongoing investigation of him in office. Take a drink people, for a "BUT BUT CLINTON" being refurbished to make a Trumpologism.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:32 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:didn't he also pardon a terrorist

If my memory serves me correctly.
He commuted/pardoned 16 members of FALN
Linda Evans, Susan Rosenberg and Patty Hearst.

Again, how many of those people committed a crime to help Clinton obstruct a Presidential investigation of him?

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:34 am

Gormwood wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:If my memory serves me correctly.
He commuted/pardoned 16 members of FALN
Linda Evans, Susan Rosenberg and Patty Hearst.

Again, how many of those people committed a crime to help Clinton obstruct a Presidential investigation of him?

Finish a whole bottle everyone.


They bombed people. That is far worse than Stone intimidating opponents of Trump.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:36 am

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Gormwood wrote:Again, how many of those people committed a crime to help Clinton obstruct a Presidential investigation of him?

Finish a whole bottle everyone.


They bombed people. That is far worse than Stone intimidating opponents of Trump.

If McVeigh wasn't already dead you bet Trump would pardon him.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:36 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Again, how many of those people committed a crime to help Clinton obstruct a Presidential investigation of him?

Finish a whole bottle everyone.


They bombed people. That is far worse than Stone intimidating opponents of Trump.

Ignoring the whole "Trump protecting and rewarding anyone who commits crimes to directly benefit HIM while in office" part I see.
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Postby Zapato » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:39 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Again, how many of those people committed a crime to help Clinton obstruct a Presidential investigation of him?

Finish a whole bottle everyone.


They bombed people. That is far worse than Stone intimidating opponents of Trump.

none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone


They weren't convicted of bombing people tho

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Postby Zapato » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:42 am

Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95–2 in the Senate and 311–41 in the House


There was also a criminal investigation into the pardon of Marc Rich. I'll expect the same level of scrutiny and bipartisan condemnation this time around.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:55 am

Zapato wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
They bombed people. That is far worse than Stone intimidating opponents of Trump.

none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone


They weren't convicted of bombing people tho


Still worked with people who did. It's like saying "I didn't shoot anyone but I was the driver" after being arrested for a drive by.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:56 am

Gormwood wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
They bombed people. That is far worse than Stone intimidating opponents of Trump.

Ignoring the whole "Trump protecting and rewarding anyone who commits crimes to directly benefit HIM while in office" part I see.


It isnt about trump though. I'm not caping for trump, but Bill Clinton was a real dickbag himself, just as bad as the Donald.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:56 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
They bombed people. That is far worse than Stone intimidating opponents of Trump.

If McVeigh wasn't already dead you bet Trump would pardon him.


I would bet all of my lifes savings that if a domestic terrorist praised Trump enough or donated to his campaign, Trump would let him go.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:57 am

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