MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Neanderthaland]

Hardly the same thing.

Why is it not the same thing?

It's disputable whether it was intended to check Russian influence at all. There were many other factors at play there.

But even if were are to assume that it absolutely was - which we absolutely shouldn't - arming rebels to fight against a government allied to Russia is not the same thing as Russia literally putting a bounty on American soldiers. And it's rather embarrassing that you suggest it is.

[Loben The 2nd]

Why is it not the same thing?

It's disputable whether it was intended to check Russian influence at all. There were many other factors at play there.

But even if were are to assume that it absolutely was - which we absolutely shouldn't - arming rebels to fight against a government allied to Russia is not the same thing as Russia literally putting a bounty on American soldiers. And it's rather embarrassing that you suggest it is.

Syria is home to one of the russian navy's few naval bases outside of russia proper.

how on earth was it intended to not be a check.

[Neanderthaland]

It's disputable whether it was intended to check Russian influence at all. There were many other factors at play there.

But even if were are to assume that it absolutely was - which we absolutely shouldn't - arming rebels to fight against a government allied to Russia is not the same thing as Russia literally putting a bounty on American soldiers. And it's rather embarrassing that you suggest it is.

Syria is home to one of the russian navy's few naval bases outside of russia proper.

how on earth was it intended to not be a check.

Because it's entirely possible that it didn't factor into the calculation to oppose Assad at all?

[Loben The 2nd]

Syria is home to one of the russian navy's few naval bases outside of russia proper.

how on earth was it intended to not be a check.

Because it's entirely possible that it didn't factor into the calculation to oppose Assad at all?

another brilliant fuck up of foreign policy.

[Northern Davincia]

Why is it not the same thing?

It's disputable whether it was intended to check Russian influence at all. There were many other factors at play there.

But even if were are to assume that it absolutely was - which we absolutely shouldn't - arming rebels to fight against a government allied to Russia is not the same thing as Russia literally putting a bounty on American soldiers. And it's rather embarrassing that you suggest it is.

I haven't suggested anything, I merely posited a question.

Syria is home to one of the russian navy's few naval bases outside of russia proper.

how on earth was it intended to not be a check.

Because it's entirely possible that it didn't factor into the calculation to oppose Assad at all?

Possible, but unlikely.

[Rojava Free State]

Syria is home to one of the russian navy's few naval bases outside of russia proper.

how on earth was it intended to not be a check.

Because it's entirely possible that it didn't factor into the calculation to oppose Assad at all?

Then what did? Cause you know America doesn't do things out of the goodness of the heart our government doesn't have.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Looking forward to the decision on Trump's tax returns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53345679

[Rojava Free State]

Looking forward to the decision on Trump's tax returns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53345679

I have a feeling Trump hasn't paid taxes in years.

[Gormwood]

Looking forward to the decision on Trump's tax returns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53345679

I have a feeling Trump hasn't paid taxes in years.

The parties that kept bailing him out would be very enlightening as well.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I have a feeling Trump hasn't paid taxes in years.

The parties that kept bailing him out would be very enlightening as well.

I have a feeling it's like fifteen different Russian and PRC'ian oligarchs. <.>

[The Alma Mater]

Looking forward to the decision on Trump's tax returns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53345679

I have a feeling Trump hasn't paid taxes in years.

I have a feeling he has secretly donated massive amounts to planned parenthood and used those as a deduction.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Oh dear...

First, President Trump decided not to confront Putin about supplying arms to the terrorist group. Second, during the very times in which U.S. military officials publicly raised concerns about the program’s threat to US forces, Trump undercut them. He embraced Putin, overtly and repeatedly, including at the historic summit in Helsinki. Third, behind the scenes, Trump directed the CIA to share intelligence information on counterterrorism with the Kremlin despite no discernible reward, former intelligence officials who served in the Trump administration told Just Security.

Most of these officials emphasized, as a caution, the significant qualitative difference between arming the Taliban and paying bounties to kill American service members—a massive escalation. Unlike bounties, the Russian-Taliban arms program could also be potentially explained, or plausibly denied, by Moscow as an effort to assist the Taliban’s fight against the common enemy of ISIS. That said, the arms also reportedly became increasingly sophisticated in what appears to provide the Taliban an edge against NATO and Afghan government forces.

The failure to push back on the weapons program signaled to Putin that he could press further, said Michael Carpenter, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense with responsibility for Russia in the Obama administration. “When Western powers fail to push back, the Kremlin keeps prodding and probing — until it meets resistance, or until the costs for President Putin and his regime exceed the perceived benefits,” Carpenter wrote in Just Security on Friday.

What we now know is that President Trump not only failed to push back against Russia’s arming the terrorist group. That extraordinary act of omission was coupled with the president’s effort to push the CIA to cooperate with Russia by providing U.S. intelligence to the Kremlin on counterterrorism operations despite getting nothing in return, according to former officials.

Trump Pushed CIA to Give Intelligence to Kremlin, While Taking No Action Against Russia Arming Taliban

Where are the so called patriots who will call out Trump as a traitor here? Preferably the same people who called Obama a traitor for going to Japan.

[Rojava Free State]

Oh dear...

First, President Trump decided not to confront Putin about supplying arms to the terrorist group. Second, during the very times in which U.S. military officials publicly raised concerns about the program’s threat to US forces, Trump undercut them. He embraced Putin, overtly and repeatedly, including at the historic summit in Helsinki. Third, behind the scenes, Trump directed the CIA to share intelligence information on counterterrorism with the Kremlin despite no discernible reward, former intelligence officials who served in the Trump administration told Just Security.

Most of these officials emphasized, as a caution, the significant qualitative difference between arming the Taliban and paying bounties to kill American service members—a massive escalation. Unlike bounties, the Russian-Taliban arms program could also be potentially explained, or plausibly denied, by Moscow as an effort to assist the Taliban’s fight against the common enemy of ISIS. That said, the arms also reportedly became increasingly sophisticated in what appears to provide the Taliban an edge against NATO and Afghan government forces.

The failure to push back on the weapons program signaled to Putin that he could press further, said Michael Carpenter, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense with responsibility for Russia in the Obama administration. “When Western powers fail to push back, the Kremlin keeps prodding and probing — until it meets resistance, or until the costs for President Putin and his regime exceed the perceived benefits,” Carpenter wrote in Just Security on Friday.

What we now know is that President Trump not only failed to push back against Russia’s arming the terrorist group. That extraordinary act of omission was coupled with the president’s effort to push the CIA to cooperate with Russia by providing U.S. intelligence to the Kremlin on counterterrorism operations despite getting nothing in return, according to former officials.

Trump Pushed CIA to Give Intelligence to Kremlin, While Taking No Action Against Russia Arming Taliban

Where are the so called patriots who will call out Trump as a traitor here? Preferably the same people who called Obama a traitor for going to Japan.

They said Obama was a traitor for "being muslim" (being a Muslim isn't treason and Obama isn't even a Muslim). Trump actually may be acting treasonous and they don't even care.

[Gravlen]

SCOTUS rules against Trump in Trump v. Vance , 7 - 2 with Kavanaugh and Gorsuch concurring.

Supreme Court is unanimous in rejecting Trump’s argument that he is absolutely immune from state criminal grand jury subpoenas.

[Zurkerx]

SCOTUS rules against Trump in Trump v. Vance , 7 - 2 with Kavanaugh and Gorsuch concurring.

Supreme Court is unanimous in rejecting Trump’s argument that he is absolutely immune from state criminal grand jury subpoenas.

Boi, you beat me to it

To be more specific, the Supreme Court said Manhattan prosecutors can obtain Trump's financial records

That's a big blow for Trump. I suspect it'll be the opposite for Congress though but nevertheless, this is a big loss for Trump.

Edit: also, I think it was Thomas and Alito that dissented, not Gorsuch or Kavanaugh.

[Vassenor]

SCOTUS rules against Trump in Trump v. Vance , 7 - 2 with Kavanaugh and Gorsuch concurring.

Supreme Court is unanimous in rejecting Trump’s argument that he is absolutely immune from state criminal grand jury subpoenas.

Boi, you beat me to it

To be more specific, the Supreme Court said Manhattan prosecutors can obtain Trump's financial records

That's a big blow for Trump. I suspect it'll be the opposite for Congress though but nevertheless, this is a big loss for Trump.

Edit: also, I think it was Thomas and Alito that dissented, not Gorsuch or Kavanaugh.

The post said that Trump's picks both concurred with the ruling against him, not that they dissented.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Good to know that the Monarchical argument that POTUS'ses are above the law got thrown out in a Republic. Didn't think it was needed for the highest court of the land to confirm this blatantly obvious principle but ok USA.

[Gravlen]

SCOTUS also rules against Trump in TRUMP v. MAZARS, also here a 7 - 2 split with Alito and Thomas dissenting. (Meaning GORSUCH and KAVANAUGH fully joins the opinion)

[Gravlen]

SCOTUS rules against Trump in Trump v. Vance , 7 - 2 with Kavanaugh and Gorsuch concurring.

Supreme Court is unanimous in rejecting Trump’s argument that he is absolutely immune from state criminal grand jury subpoenas.

Boi, you beat me to it

To be more specific, the Supreme Court said Manhattan prosecutors can obtain Trump's financial records

That's a big blow for Trump. I suspect it'll be the opposite for Congress though but nevertheless, this is a big loss for Trump.

Edit: also, I think it was Thomas and Alito that dissented, not Gorsuch or Kavanaugh.

Correct about the dissenting opinion, but I pointed out that Gorsuch or Kavanaugh concurred. That's going to piss Trump off, seeing "his" justices rule against him *personally*

[Zurkerx]

Boi, you beat me to it

To be more specific, the Supreme Court said Manhattan prosecutors can obtain Trump's financial records

That's a big blow for Trump. I suspect it'll be the opposite for Congress though but nevertheless, this is a big loss for Trump.

Edit: also, I think it was Thomas and Alito that dissented, not Gorsuch or Kavanaugh.

Correct about the dissenting opinion, but I pointed out that Gorsuch or Kavanaugh concurred. That's going to piss Trump off, seeing "his" justices rule against him *personally*

Oh, now I see it: I read that wrong. My bad

But it seems the returns in regards for the House have been rejected though it looks like it's getting kicked back to the lower courts?

Edit: Yep, they punted it to the lower court, which isn't a total lost for Democrats but neither is it a total win for Trump. So, we won't see Trump's Tax Returns, but I do feel the lower court will likely rule that Democrats can obtain them.

[Gravlen]

Correct about the dissenting opinion, but I pointed out that Gorsuch or Kavanaugh concurred. That's going to piss Trump off, seeing "his" justices rule against him *personally*

Oh, now I see it: I read that wrong. My bad

But it seems the returns in regards for the House have been rejected though it looks like it's getting kicked back to the lower courts?

Both cases have been remanded back to the lower courts, yeah. So there's going to be more litigation before any papers are produced, which is a consolation prize for Trump and means nothing will become public before after the next election at the earliest...

[Cannot think of a name]

Another bonus episode of Trump not knowing how language works.

For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!

I mean, also the bit about testing is misleading, too. But for the 1/100th time...

[Zurkerx]

Oh, now I see it: I read that wrong. My bad

But it seems the returns in regards for the House have been rejected though it looks like it's getting kicked back to the lower courts?

Both cases have been remanded back to the lower courts, yeah. So there's going to be more litigation before any papers are produced, which is a consolation prize for Trump and means nothing will become public before after the next election at the earliest...

Indeed though this ruling isn't good for Trump. Even if he does win re-election, the lower courts ruled in favor Congress and the Grand Jury to get his financial information previously so, he can't stop that from going through. He's going to have conniption over that.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

[spoiler=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793]Another bonus episode of Trump not knowing how language works.[/spoiler]

For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!

I mean, also the bit about testing is misleading, too. But for the 1/100th time...

Seconds without being an embarrassment to the human species: 0.

[Cannot think of a name]

[spoiler=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793]Another bonus episode of Trump not knowing how language works.[/spoiler]

I mean, also the bit about testing is misleading, too. But for the 1/100th time...

Seconds without being an embarrassment to the human species: 0.

Some humility points on my side...to make that simple post I screwed up the tags...twice.