MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Rojava Free State]

People who are more scared of Antifa than they are of Trump, his crazy fanbase and our government in general got it all twisted. Antifa can break your windows while the government can send you to prison or worse for having the wrong ideas.

I mean... I don't see antifa beating/gassing/shooting innocent citizens in broad daylight do you?

Nah. I only see the police and national guard doing that. Strange. It's almost as if a tyrannical government is more of a threat to freedom than a bunch of rabble rousers are.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So who or what exactly is this "radical left" Trump keeps claiming he will defeat ? The centrists ?

I laugh when Trump calls Joe Biden a puppet of the radical left. I guess in Trump world, radical left means:

•Wants to cut social security
•Supports mandatory drug sentencing and tough on crime laws
•Bombing the middle east for its oil and to please Israel and Saudi Arabia
•Saying he knew some white supremacists and they were good guys, "they never called me boy."

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

That said, what pathetic talking points. The man is a politician, trading away bad things to get good things is what politicians do. If they're even slightly effective. Sticking to their principles always is for the likes of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders who never achieved a damn thing.

Politics is dirty, and the candidate most clean of political dirt is the one who never held any elected office at all.
Yeah, Donald J. Trump.

[Aclion]

That is a fair point. What is the opinion of the lokata sioux then ?

Varied.
Indians aren't a hive mind

[Rojava Free State]

I laugh when Trump calls Joe Biden a puppet of the radical left. I guess in Trump world, radical left means:

•Wants to cut social security
•Supports mandatory drug sentencing and tough on crime laws
•Bombing the middle east for its oil and to please Israel and Saudi Arabia
•Saying he knew some white supremacists and they were good guys, "they never called me boy."

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

That said, what pathetic talking points. The man is a politician, trading away bad things to get good things is what politicians do. If they're even slightly effective. Sticking to their principles always is for the likes of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders who never achieved a damn thing.

Politics is dirty, and the candidate most clean of political dirt is the one who never held any elected office at all.
Yeah, Donald J. Trump.

Well guess who influences politics the most. Donors. Big money plays a huge role in politics, and running on a "far left" platform usually won't get your far in the presidential election. Just look at Bernie.

Besides, what has Biden recently done thats "far left?" He's been against several far left ideas like Medicare for all, or defunding police. Trump is literally talking out his ass, but that's what he always does. Makes shit up and knows the most braindead members of his audience will lick it up without question and the smarter ones will compromise values for whatever gain they're trying to make under Trump.

[Vassenor]

So who or what exactly is this "radical left" Trump keeps claiming he will defeat ? The centrists ?

I laugh when Trump calls Joe Biden a puppet of the radical left. I guess in Trump world, radical left means:

•Wants to cut social security
•Supports mandatory drug sentencing and tough on crime laws
•Bombing the middle east for its oil and to please Israel and Saudi Arabia
•Saying he knew some white supremacists and they were good guys, "they never called me boy."

Or we could try talking about Biden's current positions.

[Gormwood]

The Lincoln Project continues to be brutal.

[Picairn]

I laugh when Trump calls Joe Biden a puppet of the radical left. I guess in Trump world, radical left means:

•Wants to cut social security
•Supports mandatory drug sentencing and tough on crime laws
•Bombing the middle east for its oil and to please Israel and Saudi Arabia
•Saying he knew some white supremacists and they were good guys, "they never called me boy."

Not a fan of US interventions, but those interventions, especially Iraq, were not because of oil. It was to send a message.

The "blood for oil" narrative has become so entrenched in the people's mindset that it almost qualifies as a religion. I fail to see why a war, which only causes chaos, mayhem and destruction, would be the perfect opportunity for oil companies to invest in a lawless, destabilised country.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

That said, what pathetic talking points. The man is a politician, trading away bad things to get good things is what politicians do. If they're even slightly effective. Sticking to their principles always is for the likes of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders who never achieved a damn thing.

Politics is dirty, and the candidate most clean of political dirt is the one who never held any elected office at all.
Yeah, Donald J. Trump.

Well guess who influences politics the most. Donors. Big money plays a huge role in politics, and running on a "far left" platform usually won't get your far in the presidential election. Just look at Bernie.

Yeah, donors have a lot of influence. Mostly on Congress members who are numerous, and can be picked off one by one.

It's actually less of a thing with Presidents (or candidates) because once elected a President has only one more election to fight. With the incumbency advantage, they can afford to blow off the donor which gave them 20% of their funds the first time around.

Besides, what has Biden recently done thats "far left?" He's been against several far left ideas like Medicare for all, or defunding police. Trump is literally talking out his ass, but that's what he always does. Makes shit up and knows the most braindead members of his audience will lick it up without question and the smarter ones will compromise values for whatever gain they're trying to make under Trump.

Look, it really doesn't matter. Intentions are what matter, because the President is not King. Congress does everything of lasting importance and the current or former Congresses have done very little except the big tax cut early on, and the big stimulus/covid package this year. Trump had basically nothing to do with either of them, he just signed them instead of veto-ing.

Intentions matter because a good President can lead Congress. Particularly at first when the President's mandate is fresh, they stand above the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House ... the President has the "bully pulpit". Maybe just for a little while, but a strong President able to persuade the strong minds of Congress has the upper hand and can get things done.

Not saying Biden is that man, though. He's a bit doddery, I can admit that, but on a good day he is admirable.

[Aureumterra]

That is a fair point. What is the opinion of the lokata sioux then ?

Varied.
Indians aren't a hive mind

The concept of the "noble savage" is pretty racist, but it’s also the root for the current discourse around native Americans in that they all think or act the same way, which is completely untrue

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Varied.
Indians aren't a hive mind

The concept of the "noble savage" is pretty racist, but it’s also the root for the current discourse around native Americans in that they all think or act the same way, which is completely untrue

Yeah, let me now dissent from "the current discourse". I don't know who you're accusing of holding belief in "the noble savage" but lacking any obvious target I have to suspect it is you.

[The Alma Mater]

That is a fair point. What is the opinion of the lokata sioux then ?

Varied.
Indians aren't a hive mind

Who says they are ? Groups however do tend to have votes and spokespersons. It is something we call democracy; where not everyone agrees; but decisions are still made.

[Nakena]

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

...and the Wright brothers.

Oh come on. Both of them?

[Vassenor]

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

Smells performative.

[Nakena]

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

...and the Wright brothers.

Oh come on. Both of them?

Yes. All of them.

[Loben The 2nd]

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

neat.

what about Patton?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm inclined to just let him have his federal park with some statues. Give him some rope!

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

neat.

what about Patton?

Well quite. A lot of his base will object if the statues aren't ALL military men.

[The Black Forrest]

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

Wow.

Hey; we need to do something about all the job loss and the pandemic flashpoints.

Trump: Let's create a sanctuary park for mostly conservative american heroes!

[Vassenor]

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

Wow.

Hey; we need to do something about all the job loss and the pandemic flashpoints.

Trump: Let's create a sanctuary park for mostly conservative american heroes!

Like I said, performative as fuck.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

Wow.

Hey; we need to do something about all the job loss and the pandemic flashpoints.

Trump: Let's create a sanctuary park for mostly conservative american heroes!

Can't wait for Jefferson Davis to make a surprise appearance.

[Ifreann]

1. Monuments to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are far from treasonous. By contemporary standards, the Founding Fathers were extremely liberal and progressive. How would we like it if statues of MLK Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela were toppled by our 100x more progressive descendants 200 years from now because our moral standards are not as refined as theirs?

2. Donald Trump's shameful dismissal of the coronavirus pandemic and the complete absence of any social distancing at his rally at Mount Rushmore should be deplored. But that, and rampant police brutality, are separate issues.

Jefferson was notorious for raping one of his slaves. What's liberal and progressive about that?

He only raped one of his slaves. Much progress. Many liberal.

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I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

Trump said he'd build a big, beautiful wall and Mexico would pay for it. Trump said he's shut down all Muslim immigration into the United States. Trump said the coronavirus would be gone by April.

Trump says a lot of shit.

[The Black Forrest]

1. Monuments to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are far from treasonous. By contemporary standards, the Founding Fathers were extremely liberal and progressive. How would we like it if statues of MLK Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela were toppled by our 100x more progressive descendants 200 years from now because our moral standards are not as refined as theirs?

2. Donald Trump's shameful dismissal of the coronavirus pandemic and the complete absence of any social distancing at his rally at Mount Rushmore should be deplored. But that, and rampant police brutality, are separate issues.

Jefferson was notorious for raping one of his slaves. What's liberal and progressive about that?

Your evidence?

[Andsed]

I welcome this as a move back towards the subject.

Trump Says He Will Create a Statuary Park Honoring ‘American Heroes’

The executive order includes John Adams, Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King Jr. among those who would be honored. So would Billy Graham, Antonin Scalia and Ronald Reagan.

Thanks Trump. Could have maybe done something about systematic police brutality or the pandemic but no, statues.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Will John McCain get a statue?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

My initial reaction was fuck him, let him have a park with some statues.

Then it occurred to me just how badly Trump could fuck himself with this.

Congress should pass a bill authorizing the President to establish parks and put up statues, within 4 months.

I'm thinking a billion or two. Let Trump really fuck himself from sea to shining sea!