MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Aureumterra]

As the ADL puts it:

The same group that said pepe the frog was a hate symbol?

[Aureumterra]

Context is for cucks, right?

How can you give context to someone blatantly flashing an open white supremacist symbol?! People like you are complacent in the problem! We can clearly see this white supremacist displaying a white supremacist symbol.

And it gets worse, he drinks from a glass

[Gormwood]

As the ADL puts it:

The same group that said pepe the frog was a hate symbol?

Way to ignore the exact explanation of context the ADL was making.

[Galloism]

Again, "everyone you hate" is not one group.

You're not looking good here dude. Having a bad day?

You know, I'm not.

I've been watching my civilization spin progressively further into insanity over the last 4 years and I think it's finally gotten to me. The whole "every ok symbol is white supremacy and needs to be investigated and the person fired" thing was sort of a last straw on a long path of society's increasing insanity and self-destruction.

I think I need to step off for a bit. I have no answers.

[Cisairse]

Did I?

Yes sir, check RWDT.

I guess not spending all of my waking hours shitposting on an Australian book advertising forum means I "ran."
Forgive me if I don't take that stance remotely seriously.

[Cannot think of a name]

Are you, though? I'm not questioning if you're trying, but if you actually are removing their power?

Look, I agree that the symbol has long been used as one thing, saying "OK" in various ways (especially useful when diving, as you pointed out). That is a fact.

But at the same time, it is a fact that white supremacists use the symbol to send a message to people of similar disposition, a not-so-secret coded message which also gives them a layer of plausible deniability.

Denying that this is taking place isn't removing their power as far as I can see. On the contrary, it give them the power to openly send those messages, and stubborn denials can be borderline gaslighting.

I think we should acknowledge that it is taking place, especially since terrorists have openly used the sign to signal their supporters, but also be mindful that the sign is meant to be ambiguous and not act hastily or without further context. It's important to be careful: It's dangerous to whip up mob frenzy over a picture, and very damaging to accuse people of being white supremacists when they're not - and that is playing right into their hands. But on the other hand, it can also be dangerous to ignore it when racists are trying to tell us that they are racists.

As the ADL puts it:

The overwhelming usage of the “okay” hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention. Since 2017, many people have been falsely accused of being racist or white supremacist for using the “okay” gesture in its traditional and innocuous sense.

Because of the traditional meaning of the “okay” hand gesture, as well as other usages unrelated to white supremacy, particular care must be taken not to jump to conclusions about the intent behind someone who has used the gesture.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

I really really hate the mob frenzy.

Literally what everyone was telling you for pages, but cool. You finally get it.

[The Emerald Legion]

I mean, that's another case where a group adopted it to be subversive. It's also still used as V for victory.

Is it? By who?

Serious question. I don't think I've seen it used in the way in my lifetime.

Old people mostly.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You're not looking good here dude. Having a bad day?

You know, I'm not.

I've been watching my civilization spin progressively further into insanity over the last 4 years and I think it's finally gotten to me. The whole "every ok symbol is white supremacy and needs to be investigated and the person fired" thing was sort of a last straw on a long path of society's increasing insanity and self-destruction.

I think I need to step off for a bit. I have no answers.

If only you were as concerned about white supremacy.

[Gravlen]

As the ADL puts it:

The same group that said pepe the frog was a hate symbol?

I mean, you could have looked up the article yourself and found out what they were writing about it, but here you go.

Some sections:

The majority of uses of Pepe the Frog have been, and continue to be, non-bigoted. However, it was inevitable that, as the meme proliferated in on-line venues such as 4chan, 8chan, and Reddit, which have many users who delight in creating racist memes and imagery, a subset of Pepe memes would come into existence that centered on racist, anti-Semitic or other bigoted themes.

In recent years, with the growth of the "alt right" segment of the white supremacist movement, a segment that draws some of its support from some of the above-mentioned Internet sites, the number of "alt right" Pepe memes has grown, a tendency exacerbated by the controversial and contentious 2016 presidential election. Though Pepe memes have many defenders, the use of racist and bigoted versions of Pepe memes seems to be increasing, not decreasing.

However, because so many Pepe the Frog memes are not bigoted in nature, it is important to examine use of the meme only in context. The mere fact of posting a Pepe meme does not mean that someone is racist or white supremacist. However, if the meme itself is racist or anti-Semitic in nature, or if it appears in a context containing bigoted or offensive language or symbols, then it may have been used for hateful purposes.

In the fall of 2016, the ADL teamed with Pepe creator Matt Furie to form a #SavePepe campaign to reclaim the symbol from those who use it with hateful intentions.

I would say that your understanding of the situation was incorrect.

[Proctopeo]

You know, I'm not.

I've been watching my civilization spin progressively further into insanity over the last 4 years and I think it's finally gotten to me. The whole "every ok symbol is white supremacy and needs to be investigated and the person fired" thing was sort of a last straw on a long path of society's increasing insanity and self-destruction.

I think I need to step off for a bit. I have no answers.

If only you were as concerned about white supremacy.

It's a windmill and a scapegoat more than anything, especially since it's still a largely discredited concept. The rise of other supremacist movements might give it some air of legitimacy, though, so we should be a little careful.

[The Emerald Legion]

You know, I'm not.

I've been watching my civilization spin progressively further into insanity over the last 4 years and I think it's finally gotten to me. The whole "every ok symbol is white supremacy and needs to be investigated and the person fired" thing was sort of a last straw on a long path of society's increasing insanity and self-destruction.

I think I need to step off for a bit. I have no answers.

If only you were as concerned about white supremacy.

Why should we be? It's just a red herring.

[Rojava Free State]

If only you were as concerned about white supremacy.

Why should we be? It's just a red herring.

It really isn't though. There's alot of white supremacists out there.

[Gravlen]

Should I be allowed to fire people for being socialists?

You shouldn't be, but if the question is if you actually can... Well, federal law does not protect private employees from discrimination based on their politics, so it depends on the laws of the individual state.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why should we be? It's just a red herring.

It really isn't though. There's alot of white supremacists out there.

And yet every rally is met with a counter rally 10x the size.

[Rojava Free State]

It really isn't though. There's alot of white supremacists out there.

And yet every rally is met with a counter rally 10x the size.

So because more people are against racism than for racism, racism isn't real?

And you realize that the guys showing up at those rallies are just the particularly hardcore racists right? There's plenty more people who have strreotypical views of minorities but don't fly swastika flags.

[Kowani]

It really isn't though. There's alot of white supremacists out there.

And yet every rally is met with a counter rally 10x the size.

Shrug. The largest problem is not explicit white supremacy, but rather, a discriminatory system.

[Rojava Free State]

And yet every rally is met with a counter rally 10x the size.

Shrug. The largest problem is not explicit white supremacy, but rather, a discriminatory system.

There are many Americans out there who go about their daily lives not committing acts of violence or sporting swastika tats, but when they go home at night they bitch about "Muslims taking over Dearborn" or "too many mexicans taking our jobs" or "why can't these black kids learn to speak english?" Focusing on neo nazis and saying "hey 90+% of americans don't call for genocide so 90% aren't racists," lacks any nuance.

[Kowani]

Shrug. The largest problem is not explicit white supremacy, but rather, a discriminatory system.

There are many Americans out there who go about their daily lives not committing acts of violence or sporting swastika tats, but when they go home at night they bitch about "Muslims taking over Dearborn" or "too many mexicans taking our jobs" or "why can't these black kids learn to speak english?" Focusing on neo nazis and saying "hey 90+% of americans don't call for genocide so 90% aren't racists," lacks any nuance.

That wasn’t what I meant either, but yes.

[The Emerald Legion]

Shrug. The largest problem is not explicit white supremacy, but rather, a discriminatory system.

There are many Americans out there who go about their daily lives not committing acts of violence or sporting swastika tats, but when they go home at night they bitch about "Muslims taking over Dearborn" or "too many mexicans taking our jobs" or "why can't these black kids learn to speak english?" Focusing on neo nazis and saying "hey 90+% of americans don't call for genocide so 90% aren't racists," lacks any nuance.

And yet the passive politically incorrect are unlikely to be passing secret Nazi handshakes.

[Vassenor]

The same group that said pepe the frog was a hate symbol?

Way to ignore the exact explanation of context the ADL was making.

Context gets in the way of outrage.

[The Emerald Legion]

Way to ignore the exact explanation of context the ADL was making.

Context gets in the way of outrage.

Indeed. Indeed it does. Which is precisely the argument. So a few White Supremacists use the OK sign. There is precisely fuck all we can do about it.

The idea that we should demonize the sign is stupid, and those perpetuating that stance should be ridiculed.

[Fartsniffage]

Context gets in the way of outrage.

Indeed. Indeed it does. Which is precisely the argument. So a few White Supremacists use the OK sign. There is precisely fuck all we can do about it.

The idea that we should demonize the sign is stupid, and those perpetuating that stance should be ridiculed.

Your complete lack of understanding about what has been said is astounding....

And you get to vote with that level of comprehension. Christ...

[Vassenor]

Context gets in the way of outrage.

Indeed. Indeed it does. Which is precisely the argument. So a few White Supremacists use the OK sign. There is precisely fuck all we can do about it.

The idea that we should demonize the sign is stupid, and those perpetuating that stance should be ridiculed.

Do you want a field to put that straw man in?

[Vassenor]

Indeed. Indeed it does. Which is precisely the argument. So a few White Supremacists use the OK sign. There is precisely fuck all we can do about it.

The idea that we should demonize the sign is stupid, and those perpetuating that stance should be ridiculed.

Your complete lack of understanding about what has been said is astounding....

And you get to vote with that level of comprehension. Christ...

I'm beginning to think conservatives enjoy being willing marks for these things.

[The Emerald Legion]

Indeed. Indeed it does. Which is precisely the argument. So a few White Supremacists use the OK sign. There is precisely fuck all we can do about it.

The idea that we should demonize the sign is stupid, and those perpetuating that stance should be ridiculed.

Your complete lack of understanding about what has been said is astounding....

And you get to vote with that level of comprehension. Christ...

Your complete lack of understanding of human nature is what's astounding here.

You keep things simple when addressing the public. If you tell people the OK sign is a white supremacist dog whistle 90% of them will not stop to think before flipping out on someone.

It's why the ADL article on it is useless.