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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:31 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Kayleigh McEnany is selling the line of Antifa is the one who made everything bad and when he said 'dominate' he didn't mean the streets not the protesters which is totally different apparently.

Reeeeeaallllly leaning on the Antifa did this angle.

It's like how Communism is treated in the Paranoia RPG. There's no concrete definition set, everyone is just told it's pervasive and it's BAD. Which of course makes some rebels sign up, and it turns out they have no real idea of what it is on the other end either.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:34 am

Zurkerx wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Good morning/evening/whatever everybody.

Well my way we have seen "protesters" looting stores,malls and delivery trucks. Attacking cars in the street and freeway. The city issued a curfew 8 - 5 am.

And interesting news. Facebook employees (didn't say the numbers) did a virtual walkout (WFH due to covid) by requesting days off to protest Zuckerbergs comments over defending Trump on twitter.

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Correction as I misspoke. It's a planned walkout.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/tech/fac ... index.html


It seems to be a small number but it shows the tight rope FB must walk: either risk regulation from the WH/Conservatives over perceived bias (which is lacking in evidence to my knowledge) or risk losing talent. It seems FB currently doesn't want to anger the WH at the moment but if a substantial number "walked" out, it could change their minds.


Indeed. Young talent is more willing to forgo offers over issues.

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:54 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Kayleigh McEnany is selling the line of Antifa is the one who made everything bad and when he said 'dominate' he didn't mean the streets not the protesters which is totally different apparently.

Reeeeeaallllly leaning on the Antifa did this angle.


Well, we have to mislead and make up a problem to hide the real problem. Mental Gymnastics at its finest.

It seems they're ignoring the real underlining problem here: that a black man was unjustly killed by the police and instead are labeling the entire protest as a far-left wing group, at least, that's how I'm viewing it based on Trump's comments. But I'm pretty sure he said "dominate" protesters.

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Zurkerx wrote:
It seems to be a small number but it shows the tight rope FB must walk: either risk regulation from the WH/Conservatives over perceived bias (which is lacking in evidence to my knowledge) or risk losing talent. It seems FB currently doesn't want to anger the WH at the moment but if a substantial number "walked" out, it could change their minds.


Indeed. Young talent is more willing to forgo offers over issues.

My old bosses daughter is story I love. I met her when she came up to my knee. She interviewed at google for the finance area. They did a week long interview where she basically lived in a hotel. They were impressed by her and made her a sweet offer. She turned it down which stunned them. They asked why and she said the interview process was like going through university applications again. She did that and has since moved on. She went into international banking. Did a couple in AsiaPac and then London. She retired at 29. When left both times; both finance houses asked her to name her price.....


That's quite the story. Retired at 29? I'm not that old yet but damn, she made yuge dollars. But it seems in these changing times, the culture of one's business is becoming more of a deciding factor when one takes the job instead of money, which makes sense. Needless to say, things need to change within the corporate world more so, which may take government intervention to do so, something I don't foresee this Administration doing unless it hurts Trump himself.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:57 am

Zurkerx wrote:Trump, agitated, distressed, and angry, tells governors they must "dominate" protestors; tells them they are weak.

"You have to dominate or you'll look like a bunch of jerks, you have to arrest and try people," the President told the governors in a call from the basement White House Situation Room, according to an audio recording of the call obtained by CNN.

In the conversation -- which drew a rebuke from Illinois's Democratic governor on the call -- Trump appeared angry and chastised what he characterized as a weak response to protests in certain places, which he said allowed violence to take hold. Trump emphasized his belief the violence is being fomented by forces from the "radical left."

And he suggested to governors it was their responsibility, not his, to tamp down harshly on the continued unrest.

"It's a movement, if you don't put it down it will get worse and worse," Trump said. "The only time its successful is when you're weak and most of you are weak."


Trump is reverting back to his "law and order" stance he used in 2016, it seems.

Edit: added link because I somehow forgot it...

Welp, seems he called Putin for some comforting words and encouragement before he called the governors. I guess that call was of the utmost importance...
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:02 pm

This video is pretty damning. The gall of using Trump's own words against him though... Icky.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:22 pm

Gravlen wrote:This video is pretty damning. The gall of using Trump's own words against him though... Icky.


That is a powerful video. Now if only the Biden Campaign can make an effective ad out of it. Come to think of it, using Trump's words against him is probably the best approach. Sure, the MAGA Crowd won't care either way, but for those that lean towards Trump or may not consider Biden, it certainly would chip away at Trump's base/grow Biden's. That's if they are used effectively.
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Postby Eahland » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:22 pm

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Eahland wrote:What do you call someone who's anti-anti-fascist? I feel like there's a word for it. It's on the tip of my tongue...


If' you're using Antifa's definition of fascist, then you'd call that person normal.

I'm using Trump's definition of "Antifa", which is "anyone who's not down with his brownshirts just murdering them whenever".
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:39 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Gravlen wrote:This video is pretty damning. The gall of using Trump's own words against him though... Icky.


That is a powerful video. Now if only the Biden Campaign can make an effective ad out of it. Come to think of it, using Trump's words against him is probably the best approach. Sure, the MAGA Crowd won't care either way, but for those that lean towards Trump or may not consider Biden, it certainly would chip away at Trump's base/grow Biden's. That's if they are used effectively.

Yeah, I want to see more of this.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:12 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Gravlen wrote:This video is pretty damning. The gall of using Trump's own words against him though... Icky.


That is a powerful video. Now if only the Biden Campaign can make an effective ad out of it. Come to think of it, using Trump's words against him is probably the best approach. Sure, the MAGA Crowd won't care either way, but for those that lean towards Trump or may not consider Biden, it certainly would chip away at Trump's base/grow Biden's. That's if they are used effectively.

"I take no responsibility" is a gold mine for attack ads.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:36 pm

Zurkerx wrote:It seems they're ignoring the real underlining problem here: that a black man was unjustly killed by the police and instead are labeling the entire protest as a far-left wing group, at least, that's how I'm viewing it based on Trump's comments.

You're pretty far off the mark here
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:18 pm

Aclion wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:It seems they're ignoring the real underlining problem here: that a black man was unjustly killed by the police and instead are labeling the entire protest as a far-left wing group, at least, that's how I'm viewing it based on Trump's comments.

You're pretty far off the mark here
On may 27th Donald Trump wrote:At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation as to the very sad and tragic death in Minnesota of George Floyd. I have asked for this investigation to be expedited and greatly appreciate all of the work done by local law enforcement. My heart goes out to George’s family and friends. Justice will be served!


Sure and that's good, but he lacks consistency, or for that matter, leadership. His rhetoric certainly doesn't help.

In other news, Trump threatens to deploy the military as George Floyd protests continue to shake the U.S.

Oh, this is going to end in either two ways: peacefully or a lot of dead.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:24 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Aclion wrote:You're pretty far off the mark here


Sure and that's good, but he lacks consistency, or for that matter, leadership. His rhetoric certainly doesn't help.

The only unhelpful rhetoric I see is that calling outside agitators protesters when they are clearly trying to hijack it for their own ends, much to the chagrin of the people actually upset about Floyd's death.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:34 pm

Aclion wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Sure and that's good, but he lacks consistency, or for that matter, leadership. His rhetoric certainly doesn't help.

The only unhelpful rhetoric I see is that calling outside agitators protesters when they are clearly trying to hijack it for their own ends, much to the chagrin of the people actually upset about Floyd's death.


Oh, I condemn those kind of people: they offer nothing to the real problem at hand. That said, I do deeply worried that this is how these protests as a whole might be labeled. They need to be picked out and removed, but carefully. Otherwise, we could have a much bigger mess on our hands.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:51 pm

Maineiacs wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-trump-puts-top-us-military-officer-in-charge.html


Umm... did we just have a coup? :?


Doubtful though interesting enough, he 31st anniversary of the Tiananmen Square incident is a few days away (June 4th).Let's hope the military isn't mobilized though if they are, let's hope there isn't much violence.
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Postby The Grims » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:21 pm

Gravlen wrote:This video is pretty damning. The gall of using Trump's own words against him though... Icky.

Well made that.

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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:07 pm


Religious texts and institutions have been used as photo ops for decades, but none so shamefully as Trump. The man is antithetical to supposed Christian values.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:12 pm

Jedi Council wrote:

Religious texts and institutions have been used as photo ops for decades, but none so shamefully as Trump. The man is antithetical to supposed Christian values.

Taking bets on Trump eventually claiming tear gas is an effective remedy against COVID-19. Anyone?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:22 pm

Maineiacs wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-trump-puts-top-us-military-officer-in-charge.html


Umm... did we just have a coup? :?

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:37 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-trump-puts-top-us-military-officer-in-charge.html


Umm... did we just have a coup? :?

About time.

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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:52 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Religious texts and institutions have been used as photo ops for decades, but none so shamefully as Trump. The man is antithetical to supposed Christian values.

Taking bets on Trump eventually claiming tear gas is an effective remedy against COVID-19. Anyone?

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:54 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Taking bets on Trump eventually claiming tear gas is an effective remedy against COVID-19. Anyone?

"Covid can't get you if you cant breathe!"

"Prevent lung damage from covid by filling them with tear gas!"
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:56 pm

Trump's Deranged Response To The George Floyd Protests: A Closer Look

Most striking are the contrasting behavior of police dealing with the George Floyd protestors and right-wing anti-lockdown agitators. Especially since like in Syria, the protests were overall peaceful until the authorities brutally cracked down.
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:43 am

Jedi Council wrote:

Religious texts and institutions have been used as photo ops for decades, but none so shamefully as Trump. The man is antithetical to supposed Christian values.


And yet the entire purpose of the photo op was to give Evangelical conservatives a hard-on by proving how totally devout he is, thus reassuring them that whoring their faith on his behalf is totally the right and Christian thing to do.

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