MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Cannot think of a name]

Bush isn’t a better president because Trump didn’t directly create nor did he infect the American people. Unlike bush and his war in Iraq and Afghanistan which could have been completely avoided.

It’s really strange when left leaning people are defending a guy who was a sock puppet for a known war criminal

It's apples and oranges. Trump allowed a disease to spread and people died while Bush straifed residential neighborhoods in Iraq with gunfire and destabilized a nation.

And 4,000 Americans died in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died, so in reality Bush killed over 100,000 people.

In a way, since the fallout of Bush's ill conceived decisions, people are still dying whereas people Trump is killing now will taper off soon after he's oustered. Presuming this is the worst thing he does between now and then.

[Proctopeo]

Bush isn’t a better president because Trump didn’t directly create nor did he infect the American people. Unlike bush and his war in Iraq and Afghanistan which could have been completely avoided.

It’s really strange when left leaning people are defending a guy who was a sock puppet for a known war criminal

Fair point but most if not all of these deaths from the virus could have been prevented had Trump took this seriously and banned all trade and travel too and from China early on.

Even if he didn't do that he should have been more prepared by having a larger stock pile of masks and funding ready.

Or at the very least take it seriously and not claim that it was a hoax.

Most, maybe. All, probably not. Though I'm not sure if it would've been practical to do so.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Fair point but most if not all of these deaths from the virus could have been prevented had Trump took this seriously and banned all trade and travel too and from China early on.

Even if he didn't do that he should have been more prepared by having a larger stock pile of masks and funding ready.

Or at the very least take it seriously and not claim that it was a hoax.

Most, maybe. All, probably not. Though I'm not sure if it would've been practical to do so.

I would say it would have been practical long term to do so.

The hit would be large from not tradeing with China but local businesses would still be runing in the US and less unemployment.

If Canada and Mexico followed suit the amount of cases and deaths would have been massively cut. Thousands of people would be alive now had we done this sooner.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It's apples and oranges. Trump allowed a disease to spread and people died while Bush straifed residential neighborhoods in Iraq with gunfire and destabilized a nation.

And 4,000 Americans died in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died, so in reality Bush killed over 100,000 people.

In a way, since the fallout of Bush's ill conceived decisions, people are still dying whereas people Trump is killing now will taper off soon after he's oustered. Presuming this is the worst thing he does between now and then.

I'd have to agree, ISIS killings are still happening and I'd say atleast some of the responsibility falls on the Bush administration for causeing the actions that lead to the environment where ISIS was born.

[Rojava Free State]

It's apples and oranges. Trump allowed a disease to spread and people died while Bush straifed residential neighborhoods in Iraq with gunfire and destabilized a nation.

And 4,000 Americans died in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died, so in reality Bush killed over 100,000 people.

In a way, since the fallout of Bush's ill conceived decisions, people are still dying whereas people Trump is killing now will taper off soon after he's oustered. Presuming this is the worst thing he does between now and then.

As I said, I can see both sides of the argument. It's apples and oranges for me, which is why I say we make it easy and just say both Trump and Bush caused too many unnecessary deaths...which begs the question just how many deaths are the borderline between too many unnecessary deaths and the right amount?

[Gormwood]

It's apples and oranges. Trump allowed a disease to spread and people died while Bush straifed residential neighborhoods in Iraq with gunfire and destabilized a nation.

And 4,000 Americans died in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died, so in reality Bush killed over 100,000 people.

In a way, since the fallout of Bush's ill conceived decisions, people are still dying whereas people Trump is killing now will taper off soon after he's oustered. Presuming this is the worst thing he does between now and then.

If he is oustered.

[Cannot think of a name]

In a way, since the fallout of Bush's ill conceived decisions, people are still dying whereas people Trump is killing now will taper off soon after he's oustered. Presuming this is the worst thing he does between now and then.

If he is oustered.

I mean, now or four years from now. One way or another. I don't buy the scaremongering that somehow he can just refuse to leave and that be anything other than an embarrassing day for him.

[Thnurr]

The fact that there's a megathread based on Trumps misspellings is absolutely insane
Why don't you find something better to do

[Vassenor]

The fact that there's a megathread based on Trumps misspellings is absolutely insane
Why don't you find something better to do

Or it's just a snarky title and we're discussing all the things about his catastrofuck of a presidency.

[Cannot think of a name]

The fact that there's a megathread based on Trumps misspellings is absolutely insane
Why don't you find something better to do

Or it's just a snarky title and we're discussing all the things about his catastrofuck of a presidency.

The cat had 10 pages or 18 other threads to figure that out. If they read the title and jumped to this as their opening post...well, you won't really need to bother remembering their name.

[The Black Forrest]

The fact that there's a megathread based on Trumps misspellings is absolutely insane
Why don't you find something better to do

It helps if you read the first post of a mega tread.

[Proctopeo]

Most, maybe. All, probably not. Though I'm not sure if it would've been practical to do so.

I would say it would have been practical long term to do so.

The hit would be large from not tradeing with China but local businesses would still be runing in the US and less unemployment.

If Canada and Mexico followed suit the amount of cases and deaths would have been massively cut. Thousands of people would be alive now had we done this sooner.

I was referring to it being practical politically. It wouldn't change his votes much, but there's a high chance there would be a strong pushback against such a "xenophobic policy". It's by no means a certainty, but there's a trend to the madness.

[Zurkerx]

The Treasury Department will have to borrow $2.99 Trillion for the second quarter, more than doubled FY 2019 at $1.28 trillion.

I will eliminate the U.S. debt in 8 years. Laughs loudly

I can safely say he will not accomplish that. To give people an idea how much the budget deficit was in Obama's first term, here are some numbers; I did not include FY 2009 since Obama was not President when they passed the budget in 2008:

FY 2013 - $680 billion
FY 2012 - $1.077 trillion
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion
FY 2010 - $1.5 trillion
Total: $4.557 trillion.

Now, I don't know how to adjust that to inflation, but I feel this Trump's will be on par to exceeding what Obama had in his first term, and he had to handle an economic crisis of which, Republicans gave him grief on spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

[Knask]

The Treasury Department will have to borrow $2.99 Trillion for the second quarter, more than doubled FY 2019 at $1.28 trillion.

I will eliminate the U.S. debt in 8 years. Laughs loudly

I can safely say he will not accomplish that. To give people an idea how much the budget deficit was in Obama's first term, here are some numbers; I did not include FY 2009 since Obama was not President when they passed the budget in 2008:

FY 2013 - $680 billion
FY 2012 - $1.077 trillion
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion
FY 2010 - $1.5 trillion
Total: $4.557 trillion.

Now, I don't know how to adjust that to inflation, but I feel this Trump's will be on par to exceeding what Obama had in his first term, and he had to handle an economic crisis of which, Republicans gave him grief on spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Trump's main goal as president has been to undo the Obama agenda. That includes overturning the reduction of debt.

[Meretica]

The Idiot-in-Chief has taken away much respect that I once had for the office of the president. His life can, I think, be summed up in three simple points:
1.) Regarding a judge of Latino descent ruling a case against Trump College: "Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had "an absolute conflict" in presiding over the litigation given that he was "of Mexican heritage" and a member of a Latino lawyers' association. Mr. Trump said the background of the judge, who was born in Indiana to Mexican immigrants, was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. "I'm building a wall. It's an inherent conflict of interest," Mr. Trump said."
-The Wall Street Journal

2.) Regarding the right to healthcare: "Donald Trump blasted Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders’ ‘medicare-for-all’ plan Thursday, saying access to healthcare is a privilege that should be earned, rather than a right. “America didn’t become great through handouts,” the GOP front-runner told Bloomberg Politics."
-Bloomberg Politics

3. Regarding the COVID-19 epidemic: Fauci, despite the "don't touch your face" business facepalmed multiple times in response to the [redacted] [redacted] that Trump has said during the briefings. I don't even have to quote something for that.

[Kowani]

The Treasury Department will have to borrow $2.99 Trillion for the second quarter, more than doubled FY 2019 at $1.28 trillion.

I will eliminate the U.S. debt in 8 years. Laughs loudly

I can safely say he will not accomplish that. To give people an idea how much the budget deficit was in Obama's first term, here are some numbers; I did not include FY 2009 since Obama was not President when they passed the budget in 2008:

FY 2013 - $680 billion
FY 2012 - $1.077 trillion
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion
FY 2010 - $1.5 trillion
Total: $4.557 trillion.

Now, I don't know how to adjust that to inflation, but I feel this Trump's will be on par to exceeding what Obama had in his first term, and he had to handle an economic crisis of which, Republicans gave him grief on spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Deficit spending is good though...

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The Treasury Department will have to borrow $2.99 Trillion for the second quarter, more than doubled FY 2019 at $1.28 trillion.

I will eliminate the U.S. debt in 8 years. Laughs loudly

I can safely say he will not accomplish that. To give people an idea how much the budget deficit was in Obama's first term, here are some numbers; I did not include FY 2009 since Obama was not President when they passed the budget in 2008:

FY 2013 - $680 billion
FY 2012 - $1.077 trillion
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion
FY 2010 - $1.5 trillion
Total: $4.557 trillion.

Now, I don't know how to adjust that to inflation, but I feel this Trump's will be on par to exceeding what Obama had in his first term, and he had to handle an economic crisis of which, Republicans gave him grief on spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Yet another promise broken by Trump.

[The Black Forrest]

The Treasury Department will have to borrow $2.99 Trillion for the second quarter, more than doubled FY 2019 at $1.28 trillion.

I will eliminate the U.S. debt in 8 years. Laughs loudly

I can safely say he will not accomplish that. To give people an idea how much the budget deficit was in Obama's first term, here are some numbers; I did not include FY 2009 since Obama was not President when they passed the budget in 2008:

FY 2013 - $680 billion
FY 2012 - $1.077 trillion
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion
FY 2010 - $1.5 trillion
Total: $4.557 trillion.

Now, I don't know how to adjust that to inflation, but I feel this Trump's will be on par to exceeding what Obama had in his first term, and he had to handle an economic crisis of which, Republicans gave him grief on spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Yet another promise broken by Trump.

Hmm? A promise suggests there was thought or desire to do something. I think it was simply a lie.

[Northern Davincia]

The Treasury Department will have to borrow $2.99 Trillion for the second quarter, more than doubled FY 2019 at $1.28 trillion.

I will eliminate the U.S. debt in 8 years. Laughs loudly

I can safely say he will not accomplish that. To give people an idea how much the budget deficit was in Obama's first term, here are some numbers; I did not include FY 2009 since Obama was not President when they passed the budget in 2008:

FY 2013 - $680 billion
FY 2012 - $1.077 trillion
FY 2011 - $1.300 trillion
FY 2010 - $1.5 trillion
Total: $4.557 trillion.

Now, I don't know how to adjust that to inflation, but I feel this Trump's will be on par to exceeding what Obama had in his first term, and he had to handle an economic crisis of which, Republicans gave him grief on spending.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Deficit spending is good though...

Statements like these make me hopeful for total collapse.

[Rojava Free State]

The fact that there's a megathread based on Trumps misspellings is absolutely insane
Why don't you find something better to do

Why don't you tell the president to buy a brain. Must be hard to show yourself in public after voting for the first circus clown president.

Bad news, you didn't make America great. You made it a bigger shithole than it was before.

[Kowani]

Deficit spending is good though...

Statements like these make me hopeful for total collapse.

Shrug. You can shriek all you like, it doesn’t make it any less true.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I would say it would have been practical long term to do so.

The hit would be large from not tradeing with China but local businesses would still be runing in the US and less unemployment.

If Canada and Mexico followed suit the amount of cases and deaths would have been massively cut. Thousands of people would be alive now had we done this sooner.

I was referring to it being practical politically. It wouldn't change his votes much, but there's a high chance there would be a strong pushback against such a "xenophobic policy". It's by no means a certainty, but there's a trend to the madness.

Fair enough but I doubt the Trump core base would care. I myself would also defend the decision beacuse it wouldn't really be xenophobic more a necessary action done to protect Americans and the North American continent.

Yet another promise broken by Trump.

Hmm? A promise suggests there was thought or desire to do something. I think it was simply a lie.

Also a good point.

[Zurkerx]

Trump gives up on the virus fight to focus on an economic recovery – and re-election, critics say.

[Gormwood]

Trump gives up on the virus fight to focus on an economic recovery – and re-election, critics say.

[Rojava Free State]

Has anyone done a study on how many people would have died had Trump actually supplied states with testing and equipment and didn't call this virus "just the flu"?