MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Picairn]

Antifa? I'm against Antifa, but labeling them as a terrorist organization is basically giving them too much credit. Burning dumpsters and hitting people can't be compared to blowing up cars in markets or 9/11.

[Vassenor]

Antifa? I'm against Antifa, but labeling them as a terrorist organization is basically giving them too much credit. Burning dumpsters and hitting people can't be compared to blowing up cars in markets or 9/11.

It's almost like this is a transparently obvious attempt to gain an excuse to shut down protests against Trump like some sort of tinpot dictatorship.

[Picairn]

It's almost like this is a transparently obvious attempt to gain an excuse to shut down protests against Trump like some sort of tinpot dictatorship.

Only if they are peaceful protests. Rioters who loot stores, burn buildings and attack innocents like what happened in Minneapolis deserve to be treated as criminals and put down by the National Guard if necessary.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

https://twitter.com/PoorlyAgedStuff/status/1266461005858643977?s=20

[Vassenor]

It's almost like this is a transparently obvious attempt to gain an excuse to shut down protests against Trump like some sort of tinpot dictatorship.

Only if they are peaceful protests. Rioters who loot stores, burn buildings and attack innocents like what happened in Minneapolis deserve to be treated as criminals and put down by the National Guard if necessary.

Except as we're seeing the police are rolling over peaceful demos like they're riots too.

[Picairn]

Except as we're seeing the police are rolling over peaceful demos like they're riots too.

Source? If it's real, then they violated the First Amendment and deserve prosecution alongside the rioters.

[Bombadil]

“You deplore the demonstrations that are presently taking place... But I am sorry that your statement did not express a similar concern for the conditions that brought the demonstrations into being.” - Martin Luther King - Letter from a Birmingham jail - August 1963

Can't even kneel without inviting presidential criticism.

[Knask]

“You deplore the demonstrations that are presently taking place... But I am sorry that your statement did not express a similar concern for the conditions that brought the demonstrations into being.” - Martin Luther King - Letter from a Birmingham jail - August 1963

Can't even kneel without inviting presidential criticism.

Or losing your career.

[Bombadil]

“You deplore the demonstrations that are presently taking place... But I am sorry that your statement did not express a similar concern for the conditions that brought the demonstrations into being.” - Martin Luther King - Letter from a Birmingham jail - August 1963

Can't even kneel without inviting presidential criticism.

Or losing your career.

I mean.. yeah.. it places into such contrast the amount of vitriol aimed at a guy who kneeled at a game that was taken as some great slight that required the attention of a president to denounce that person, caused people to buy and then burn shoes like that was smart.. just this idea that a criticism is a personal attack on the sensitivities and egos of a ruling class..

..that kneeling is such an affront..

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Antifa? I'm against Antifa, but labeling them as a terrorist organization is basically giving them too much credit. Burning dumpsters and hitting people can't be compared to blowing up cars in markets or 9/11.

You're against antifascist action?

[Picairn]

You're against antifascist action?

The organization has morphed into something worse. Framing people as Nazis and beating them up? Terrible, doesn't do anything but increasing the tension. Remember that professor who joined Antifa and beat people with a bike lock? He was fired, I believe.

[Vassenor]

You're against antifascist action?

The organization has morphed into something worse. Framing people as Nazis and beating them up? Terrible, doesn't do anything but increasing the tension. Remember that professor who joined Antifa and beat people with a bike lock? He was fired, I believe.

Remember, one man is everyone.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You're against antifascist action?

The organization has morphed into something worse. Framing people as Nazis and beating them up? Terrible, doesn't do anything but increasing the tension. Remember that professor who joined Antifa and beat people with a bike lock? He was fired, I believe.

You cannot join Antifa. Antifa is a mode of action, not an organisation. ‘Antifa’ involves education, online action, poster removal, demonstrations, deplatforming, and yes, sometimes violent action against fascist. Taking violent action against fascists is, in my opinion, necessary, because fascists don’t play the same game as other political groups do. Some people have done unhelpful things under the guise of antifascist action, for sure, but it does not help to disown every part of antfascist action just because of that.

[Aclion]

Antifa? I'm against Antifa, but labeling them as a terrorist organization is basically giving them too much credit. Burning dumpsters and hitting people can't be compared to blowing up cars in markets or 9/11.

You're against antifascist action?

Ah yes, burning down black neighborhoods, the height of antifascist action. I'd say Antifa was hijacked by left wing accelerationists, but really that's all it ever was.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You're against antifascist action?

Ah yes, burning down black neighborhoods, the height of antifascist action. I'd say Antifa was hijacked by left wing accelerationists, but really that's all it ever was.

So all the riots are antifa now?

[The Alma Mater]

You're against antifascist action?

The organization has morphed into something worse.

There is no organisation. That's the point.

[Aclion]

Ah yes, burning down black neighborhoods, the height of antifascist action. I'd say Antifa was hijacked by left wing accelerationists, but really that's all it ever was.

So all the riots are antifa now?

It's impossible to know if the riots would have happened without them. But we do know that there is a sophisticated effort by out of state actors to use rioting to hijack what was a largely peaceful protest.

[Picairn]

There is no organisation. That's the point.

No organization, just a whole movement. Sure...

[Knask]

So all the riots are antifa now?

It's impossible to know if the riots would have happened without them. But we do know that there is a sophisticated effort by out of state actors to use rioting to hijack what was a largely peaceful protest.

Impossible to know, you say?? Better ban them and prosecute them then! You know what they say, better safe than rule of law'ed.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So all the riots are antifa now?

It's impossible to know if the riots would have happened without them. But we do know that there is a sophisticated effort by out of state actors to use rioting to hijack what was a largely peaceful protest.

How do we know that, exactly?

Normally, the answer to ‘we don’t know if x is involved’ is ‘we’ll assume it’s not the case’ instead of ‘let’s assume it anyway’.

I think you underestimate the level of anger that existed before the death of George Floyd, and also the role played by right wing agitators which have been reported since the earliest protests.

[Vassenor]

Looks like Trump wasn't such a strongman after all and spent Friday night cowering in the bunker.

[Juristonia]

So all the riots are antifa now?

It's impossible to know if the riots would have happened without them. But we do know that there is a sophisticated effort by out of state actors to use rioting to hijack what was a largely peaceful protest.

It's impossible to know, so you're just going ahead and blaming them anyway.
Yeah, that seems about on-brand for you.

[Galloism]

Looks like Trump wasn't such a strongman after all and spent Friday night cowering in the bunker.

I like dunking on Trump as much as the next everyone, but it’s the secret service that decides when to go to the bunker.

[Picairn]

You cannot join Antifa. Antifa is a mode of action, not an organisation. ‘Antifa’ involves education, online action, poster removal, demonstrations, deplatforming, and yes, sometimes violent action against fascist. Taking violent action against fascists is, in my opinion, necessary, because fascists don’t play the same game as other political groups do. Some people have done unhelpful things under the guise of antifascist action, for sure, but it does not help to disown every part of antfascist action just because of that.

Why does fascists don't play the same game as other political groups do? What do you mean by that? So long as they peacefully parade around, they are expressing their opinions under the First Amendment. The ACLU fought for the Nazis' right to march in Skokie in 1978, despite it being a very controversial stand. All Americans are entitled to their right to free speech, even Nazis. Because when you put the power to censor into the hands of politicians (or hateful mobs), they will start censoring opinions they don't like. That's a dangerous road that you will go down.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So all the riots are antifa now?

It's impossible to know if the riots would have happened without them. But we do know that there is a sophisticated effort by out of state actors to use rioting to hijack what was a largely peaceful protest.

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I don't have the link anymore but I remember someone here or on the riots thread posting a link saying that no it wasn't out of state actors.

But I do hear reports plane clothes cops and other cops instigating violence at the peaceful protesters first.

Again no link beacuse i'm lazy and the links are buried by tens of pages by this point but one thing I can say with 100% certainty with a sauce is that it wasn't ANFTA who shot people on there porch for being on there porch.