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Postby Vetalia » Sat May 02, 2020 4:23 pm

Diahon wrote:So Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel are eldritch and Kim and Xi and Bolsonaro and Putin and Orban and Salman and who the fuck else are just homey stuff. Penpals. Friends. Allies.

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Good to know.


Honestly, Xi and Putin are the power players in Eurasia so it makes sense to develop good relations with them. Good relations with NK will also help a lot down the line and Kim is definitely a much better option than the alternatives.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 02, 2020 4:42 pm

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Diahon wrote:Speaking of poor form by democratic linchpins, here's Donald Trump being very happy at very, very shit news.

This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.


It makes sense because Trump is in love with Kim. He himself admitted to it.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat May 02, 2020 4:43 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Diahon wrote:So Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel are eldritch and Kim and Xi and Bolsonaro and Putin and Orban and Salman and who the fuck else are just homey stuff. Penpals. Friends. Allies.

Urk.

Good to know.


Honestly, Xi and Putin are the power players in Eurasia so it makes sense to develop good relations with them. Good relations with NK will also help a lot down the line and Kim is definitely a much better option than the alternatives.

Relationships don't mean "bend over backwards for anyone who flatters you."
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat May 02, 2020 5:39 pm

Diahon wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.


So Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel are eldritch and Kim and Xi and Bolsonaro and Putin and Orban and Salman and who the fuck else are just homey stuff. Penpals. Friends. Allies.

Urk.

Good to know.

Fwiw I wouldn't want to get along with Trudeau either.

Merkel is a different story; before she overstayed her welcome it wouldn't be hard to get along with her.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat May 02, 2020 6:23 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.


It makes sense because Trump is in love with Kim. He himself admitted to it.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 02, 2020 6:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Diahon wrote:Speaking of poor form by democratic linchpins, here's Donald Trump being very happy at very, very shit news.

This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.


Eh? Gushing over somebody he wishes he could be is not really talking. More like fanboi.
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Postby Bombadil » Sat May 02, 2020 6:50 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.


Eh? Gushing over somebody he wishes he could be is not really talking. More like fanboi.


To be fair it's better to have stability and at least someone you're talking to than the potential chaos of regime change.
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Postby LimpBizkit » Sat May 02, 2020 6:52 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Diahon wrote:So Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel are eldritch and Kim and Xi and Bolsonaro and Putin and Orban and Salman and who the fuck else are just homey stuff. Penpals. Friends. Allies.

Urk.

Good to know.


Honestly, Xi and Putin are the power players in Eurasia so it makes sense to develop good relations with them. Good relations with NK will also help a lot down the line and Kim is definitely a much better option than the alternatives.

This, people who wanted Kim to die clearly aren't using their heads or even thinking about the implications that would have. Love him or hate him, he's easier to deal with than either of his predecessors were, and almost certainly moreso than whichever wild card general would be succeeding him.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
It makes sense because Trump is in love with Kim. He himself admitted to it.

It's [current year], we're not supposed to judge.


I don't care if Trump is gay. I do care that he may be gay for a mass murderer.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat May 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Diahon wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.


So Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel are eldritch and Kim and Xi and Bolsonaro and Putin and Orban and Salman and who the fuck else are just homey stuff. Penpals. Friends. Allies.

Urk.

Good to know.

Pretty sure they meant in relation to North Korea, not the only one he had diplomatic relationship with in the world.
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Eh? Gushing over somebody he wishes he could be is not really talking. More like fanboi.


To be fair it's better to have stability and at least someone you're talking to than the potential chaos of regime change.

There's also the chance that Un's sister has her shit together and would present a more formidable opponent. Or not. I really just now learned he had a sister. It's just a possibility.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat May 02, 2020 6:54 pm

LimpBizkit wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Honestly, Xi and Putin are the power players in Eurasia so it makes sense to develop good relations with them. Good relations with NK will also help a lot down the line and Kim is definitely a much better option than the alternatives.

This, people who wanted Kim to die clearly aren't using their heads or even thinking about the implications that would have. Love him or hate him, he's easier to deal with than either of his predecessors were, and almost certainly moreso than whichever wild card general would be succeeding him.


You can keep good relations without constantly obsessing over him. Us and NK should not be friends. We can avoid war. We can leave each other alone, but trump should not be talking about Kim like he cheats on his wife with him.
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Postby LimpBizkit » Sat May 02, 2020 7:01 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
LimpBizkit wrote:This, people who wanted Kim to die clearly aren't using their heads or even thinking about the implications that would have. Love him or hate him, he's easier to deal with than either of his predecessors were, and almost certainly moreso than whichever wild card general would be succeeding him.


You can keep good relations without constantly obsessing over him. Us and NK should not be friends. We can avoid war. We can leave each other alone, but trump should not be talking about Kim like he cheats on his wife with him.

Clearly the sanctions on North Korea continually prove that our two nations are the best of friends. Regardless, Trump's large mouth is usually where him and I lose each other, but I think he talks about North Korea in a semi-reasonable manner, seeing as two presidents ago they were in the 'axis of evil for state sponsored terrorism' aka marked for destruction by the bush regime.
The Creeping Barrage is the name given to a method of firing artillery. At the beginning of Trench Warfare the basic tactic was to fire lots of artillery at enemy trenches for a sustained period of time and to stop firing just before the infantry attacked. However this method wasn’t very successful as the German had built strong bunkers and were able to man the defences in the time between the bombardment ending and the infantry getting to the trenches. A solution to the problem of the time lag between the bombardment and the arrival of the infantry was to change the way that the artillery was fired. Instead of just aiming at the same target the creeping barrage moved forward at a prearranged pace.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat May 02, 2020 7:12 pm

LimpBizkit wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
You can keep good relations without constantly obsessing over him. Us and NK should not be friends. We can avoid war. We can leave each other alone, but trump should not be talking about Kim like he cheats on his wife with him.

Clearly the sanctions on North Korea continually prove that our two nations are the best of friends. Regardless, Trump's large mouth is usually where him and I lose each other, but I think he talks about North Korea in a semi-reasonable manner, seeing as two presidents ago they were in the 'axis of evil for state sponsored terrorism' aka marked for destruction by the bush regime.

The sanctions that Best Korea is blockade running with Chinese help you mean?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat May 02, 2020 8:35 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.


Eh? Gushing over somebody he wishes he could be is not really talking. More like fanboi.

Previous methods clearly didn't work on North Korea. Might as well mix it up once in a while.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat May 02, 2020 8:58 pm

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The creative spelling of Hamburger and Nobel Prize bothers me a bit. Probably just me ...
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat May 02, 2020 9:06 pm

Gormwood wrote:
LimpBizkit wrote:Clearly the sanctions on North Korea continually prove that our two nations are the best of friends. Regardless, Trump's large mouth is usually where him and I lose each other, but I think he talks about North Korea in a semi-reasonable manner, seeing as two presidents ago they were in the 'axis of evil for state sponsored terrorism' aka marked for destruction by the bush regime.

The sanctions that Best Korea is blockade running with Chinese help you mean?

I don't see how that's particularly relevant.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat May 02, 2020 9:16 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The sanctions that Best Korea is blockade running with Chinese help you mean?

I don't see how that's particularly relevant.

Sanctions only have meaning if they're being enforced. Just like Trump, it's style over substance.
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Postby LimpBizkit » Sat May 02, 2020 9:19 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I don't see how that's particularly relevant.

Sanctions only have meaning if they're being enforced. Just like Trump, it's style over substance.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat May 02, 2020 9:24 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I don't see how that's particularly relevant.

Sanctions only have meaning if they're being enforced. Just like Trump, it's style over substance.

They are being enforced. They're just being cheated around with help from the PRC.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun May 03, 2020 6:09 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Diahon wrote:Speaking of poor form by democratic linchpins, here's Donald Trump being very happy at very, very shit news.

This makes sense considering he has no diplomatic relationship with any other North Korean figure. Kim Jong-Un is the evil he knows, and can talk to.

The talk doesn't change much. People are still dieing in slave camps in NK.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 03, 2020 9:27 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Diahon wrote:
So Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel are eldritch and Kim and Xi and Bolsonaro and Putin and Orban and Salman and who the fuck else are just homey stuff. Penpals. Friends. Allies.

Urk.

Good to know.

Pretty sure they meant in relation to North Korea, not the only one he had diplomatic relationship with in the world.
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To be fair it's better to have stability and at least someone you're talking to than the potential chaos of regime change.

There's also the chance that Un's sister has her shit together and would present a more formidable opponent. Or not. I really just now learned he had a sister. It's just a possibility.

Really hope we can avoid having to hear Trump talk about Kim Yo-jong is, because there is no way that he would be remotely normal.
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Postby Galloism » Sun May 03, 2020 9:28 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Pretty sure they meant in relation to North Korea, not the only one he had diplomatic relationship with in the world.
There's also the chance that Un's sister has her shit together and would present a more formidable opponent. Or not. I really just now learned he had a sister. It's just a possibility.

Really hope we can avoid having to hear Trump talk about Kim Yo-jong is, because there is no way that he would be remotely normal.

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Zurkerx wrote:...
Farn is more than welcome to take back control (and change my temporary title that is so creative) if she so desires.


The creative spelling of Hamburger and Nobel Prize bothers me a bit. Probably just me ...

Yeah, what is this covfefe? Everyone knows it's spelled "hamberders".
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Postby Nakena » Sun May 03, 2020 9:35 am

I want Covfefe and Hamberders.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 9:37 am

Nakena wrote:I want Covfefe and Hamberders.


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