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Loben III
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Postby Loben III » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:48 am

Bombadil wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Both could fuck off out of the WTO ... and there would still be WTO.
Even together, China and the USA are only 40% of world GDP.
Even working in concert (heh) they wouldn't form a hegemony.

The US is about 25% of world GDP. The US needs to abandon this idea that its economic dominance matches its military dominance, it doesn't and probably hasn't since the 1960's. Pulling out of treaties or trade deals only causes them to collapse IF they were bilateral. The UN wouldn't collapse because the US pulls out. WHO wouldn't collapse because the US pulls out. TPP didn't collapse because the US pulled out. And WTO will not collapse because the US pulls out.

The US under Trump has been throwing away diplomatic and trade power, under the pretence of strengthening sovereignty.

It's a bad move in my opinion, but maybe some of it can be reversed by the next President. It might even be an opportunity to strike better deals (though not the CPTPP, it has members already so it's take-it-or-leave-it). Kind of a Good Cop/Bad Cop thing between Presidents!

So I think withdrawing from agreements/treaties/organizations actually makes the US weaker, diplomatically and in trade. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it's put down to some other cause, like those damn corporations not building factories like they should, or maybe tariffs of 20% aren't high enough. So you try that, and everyone seems happy that unemployment is way down, the gap between rich and poor might actually be narrowing, and you can buy a 4G phone that's mostly made in the USA! Any year now, GDP will turn around and start going up, look, it's almost flat at only minus 2%. Also nobody worries about immigration now, in fact they're calling for harsh treatment of emigrants instead.

A decade goes by. Military spending has to be increased, mainly due to Chinese escalation. A few things have to go. Welfare and stuff. Social Security is restructured as a wage-subsidy scheme so the elderly can return to the workforce. An attempt to raise more money by selling National Parks is called off due to lack of market interest (some handsome foreign bids were of course rejected).

Then there's the Second Canadian War. Their Russian equipment is surprisingly good, and they must be getting that nanotech stuff from China because Russian nanotech is big and clunky. This stuff's invisible. The President decides that trying to invade Canada was a bad idea. The Canadians are nice about it, and accept a peace deal for nothing more than an apology, Alaska and Maine.

The Wall no longer seems enough. It extends over both land borders and the coasts (in-a-bit where there's a famous beach) and it's made of titanium-resin composite so it's strong enough. But it's not a Dome. Americans deserve a dome. So the government starts raising the wall, knowing all the time there is no way they can afford a dome. The economy has been crap for decades now, even Mexicans are richer than Americans, but what choice is there? Military spending is already at 40% of GDP, Space is lost and US nanotech is pitiful ... it's too late to get back in the arms race.

Another decade limps by. The Wall is magnificent. Nobody says "dome" unless they want a fight. Americans regain the old virtues of thrift, hardiness and trial by gunfight. Tourists begin to arrive, hovering near the sights in their lighter-than-air vehicles and tittering at the reaction of locals when they throw a handful of dollars out the window. The economy begins to revive! A dollar is worth quite a lot now ... in America. It's not worth shit anywhere else, but what's it matter. Other than tourists, there's no trade, and no patriotic American would dream of spending their money anywhere but America. People are fairly content. At least, no-one is making a big noise about being unhappy.

And another decade. There's actually some modest economic growth. Perhaps because governments in the over-developed world, who have been offering aid for decades, have taken a lead from the tourists and now dump billions of dollars on the US from space. The government may be too proud to accept aid, but the people aren't.

So it's not a bright future, but it's not complete disaster either. It's now 2100, and that was the Second American Century.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Hot take: the WTO is bad because it furthers enables the interests of big business capitalism which is a net loss for the majority of the human species


Capitalism is already unimpeded by borders, and putting up some tariffs won't help that much. You'd need them IN every country FOR goods and services from every other country.

There are a few strategic goods that should be sourced from the country which uses them. In the case of the US, weapons obviously. How high you want to raise tariff barriers, or whether you want to go for a full ban on imports (*cough* weapons?), you can do this for a strategic reason, but you shouldn't pretend it's going to be good for your economy.

Tariffs are a tax on trade. They're basically a sales tax.

The problem you're concerned with is the movement of money from most people in the US to the ultra-rich and corporations, in the US. I think that has very little to do with how much trade in and out of the US there is, and in the ten years it would take to test out this New Protectionism nonsense the rich/poor gap will only get worse.

This isn't rocket science. Tax the damn rich already!
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:52 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Hot take: the WTO is bad because it furthers enables the interests of big business capitalism which is a net loss for the majority of the human species


Capitalism is already unimpeded by borders, and putting up some tariffs won't help that much. You'd need them IN every country FOR goods and services from every other country.

There are a few strategic goods that should be sourced from the country which uses them. In the case of the US, weapons obviously. How high you want to raise tariff barriers, or whether you want to go for a full ban on imports (*cough* weapons?), you can do this for a strategic reason, but you shouldn't pretend it's going to be good for your economy.

Tariffs are a tax on trade. They're basically a sales tax.

The problem you're concerned with is the movement of money from most people in the US to the ultra-rich and corporations, in the US. I think that has very little to do with how much trade in and out of the US there is, and in the ten years it would take to test out this New Protectionism nonsense the rich/poor gap will only get worse.

This isn't rocket science. Tax the damn rich already!


Alternatively, imprison the rich and nationalize all their wealth.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:08 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Capitalism is already unimpeded by borders, and putting up some tariffs won't help that much. You'd need them IN every country FOR goods and services from every other country.

There are a few strategic goods that should be sourced from the country which uses them. In the case of the US, weapons obviously. How high you want to raise tariff barriers, or whether you want to go for a full ban on imports (*cough* weapons?), you can do this for a strategic reason, but you shouldn't pretend it's going to be good for your economy.

Tariffs are a tax on trade. They're basically a sales tax.

The problem you're concerned with is the movement of money from most people in the US to the ultra-rich and corporations, in the US. I think that has very little to do with how much trade in and out of the US there is, and in the ten years it would take to test out this New Protectionism nonsense the rich/poor gap will only get worse.

This isn't rocket science. Tax the damn rich already!


Alternatively, imprison the rich and nationalize all their wealth.


Getting their wealth probably requires passwords and other stuff they know. They'll probably give that up more readily if they think it will go to a good cause. So we set up a fake charity, let's go with PETA for a working name. Then some of our 'charity workers' kidnap the CEO and imprison them in a playhouse full of cute puppies who have had their bumholes sewn shut (puppies stop being cute if they poo everywhere). Or kittens, if the CEO is more of a cat person. After a few days the puppies start to get ill and some of them die. THEN our operative (who will be of a cute and appealing demeanor) comes in tearfully implores passwords. "For the puppies".

This will have to be black ops, obviously.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:10 am

A more practical approach would be to invade the Bahamas.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:56 am

Liriena wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Satire died when people started getting offended at every little "microagression"

k boomah

I saw something yesterday about a WWII admiral in the US Navy who got an intercepted enemy message making fun of him for chasing decoy ships, and he was so offended that he ordered his ships to leave the battle so he could sulk.


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"I don't think science knows actually" he said smugly when confronted by Californian politicians over Climate Change and it's effect on the extensive western fires.

I'd imagine Trump would show the same disdain for Scientific American as he does The Atlantic if he feels the need to comment on it. Maybe something like "Believe me, that fake American science magazine should look out because they're failing at partisan politics, this I can tell you." :lol:

In 2016, everyone was talking about fake news and alternative facts. In 2020, we will soon talk about fake science and alternative evidence.

Republicans have been buying their own science from their own scientists for decades.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:k boomah

I saw something yesterday about a WWII admiral in the US Navy who got an intercepted enemy message making fun of him for chasing decoy ships, and he was so offended that he ordered his ships to leave the battle so he could sulk.


Idzequitch wrote:In 2016, everyone was talking about fake news and alternative facts. In 2020, we will soon talk about fake science and alternative evidence.

Republicans have been buying their own science from their own scientists for decades.


You mean like the Democrats have been doing for also decades, just more effectively?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:23 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Would Apple be able to survive financially if it had to make its products in the US? Doubling the already expensive unit price, would price a lot of people out of the market.

If Apple managed to bring manufacturing jobs to the United States, analysts say that assembling the iPhone here wouldn’t actually make it much more expensive. As Konstantin Kakaes wrote in the MIT Technology Review in 2016, putting together the iPhone in the US from parts made abroad would only cost about $30 to $40 more per phone, a modest increase for a device with a 64 percent profit margin. Even if every part was made in the US, an iPhone would cost about $100 more, Kakaes concluded, assuming raw materials were still purchased on global markets.

The issue is not so much cost of putting an iPhone together, or even the cost per part on paper. The issue is skill, scale, expertise, and infrastructure — all of which require money, time and long-term investment. Unlike other manufacturing jobs that have migrated from the United States, Apple wouldn’t be bringing them “back” so much as starting from scratch. The cost would come in attempting to build a system that’s never been in the US, but has been built over decades abroad.

And even if Apple could somehow manage to bring the whole process to the United States, at a huge cost, there might not even be much of an advantage in terms of global trade. China makes only about $8 per phone, so placing Apple and its supply chain in the midst of the US-China trade dispute just isn’t that smart.

“It always sounds good when a president sounds tough on trade and issues protectionist policies,” Wayne Lam, principal analyst at information and analytics firm IHS Markit, told me. “We just don’t have the sheer workforce size nor skill set to be good at consumer electronics manufacturing.”

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:26 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Capitalism is already unimpeded by borders, and putting up some tariffs won't help that much. You'd need them IN every country FOR goods and services from every other country.

There are a few strategic goods that should be sourced from the country which uses them. In the case of the US, weapons obviously. How high you want to raise tariff barriers, or whether you want to go for a full ban on imports (*cough* weapons?), you can do this for a strategic reason, but you shouldn't pretend it's going to be good for your economy.

Tariffs are a tax on trade. They're basically a sales tax.

The problem you're concerned with is the movement of money from most people in the US to the ultra-rich and corporations, in the US. I think that has very little to do with how much trade in and out of the US there is, and in the ten years it would take to test out this New Protectionism nonsense the rich/poor gap will only get worse.

This isn't rocket science. Tax the damn rich already!


Alternatively, imprison the rich and nationalize all their wealth.

Or not...
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:19 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alternatively, imprison the rich and nationalize all their wealth.

Or not...

Your defence of people who didn’t work for their monet is inconsistent.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:20 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Or not...

Your defence of people who didn’t work for their monet is inconsistent.


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Postby Eahland » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:22 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:This isn't rocket science. Tax the damn rich already!


Alternatively, imprison the rich and nationalize all their wealth.

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There's only one thing that they're good for.
Eat the rich!
Take one bite now and come back for more.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:23 am

Eahland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Alternatively, imprison the rich and nationalize all their wealth.

Eat the rich!
There's only one thing that they're good for.
Eat the rich!
Take one bite now and come back for more.

Too much oil.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:27 am

Kowani wrote:
Eahland wrote:Eat the rich!
There's only one thing that they're good for.
Eat the rich!
Take one bite now and come back for more.

Too much oil.


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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:03 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Or not...

Your defence of people who didn’t work for their monet is inconsistent.

Not all work is physical.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:13 pm

I don't have a problem with people being rich. I have a problem with people being rich, dodging taxes, and getting away with it. Let's trade the 50s racism for 50s taxes instead. That'll really make America great again.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:51 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I don't have a problem with people being rich. I have a problem with people being rich, dodging taxes, and getting away with it. Let's trade the 50s racism for 50s taxes instead. That'll really make America great again.

Except that 50s taxes were regularly dodged, and rightfully so.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:53 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I don't have a problem with people being rich. I have a problem with people being rich, dodging taxes, and getting away with it. Let's trade the 50s racism for 50s taxes instead. That'll really make America great again.

Except that 50s taxes were regularly dodged, and rightfully so.


The solution is to abolish taxes. And the rich. And currency.
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Postby Miranda-22 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:54 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Except that 50s taxes were regularly dodged, and rightfully so.


The solution is to abolish taxes. And the rich. And currency.

The only real solution is to return to the fields and plains, and you know that as well as I ;)
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Postby Aureumterra » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:02 pm

Miranda-22 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The solution is to abolish taxes. And the rich. And currency.

The only real solution is to return to the fields and plains, and you know that as well as I ;)

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Postby Sanghyeok » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:07 pm

Miranda-22 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The solution is to abolish taxes. And the rich. And currency.

The only real solution is to return to the fields and plains, and you know that as well as I ;)


Yes, return to fields, and we shouldn't be sedentary, either. Disown towns and cities, to begin with. Remove all traces of modern technology so we can be pure, as nature wanted. Next, break up society into smaller units, fifty should be the largest group, since above fifty people humans cannot make reasonable bonds with everyone. This being done, the final step is to start worshiping a religion that can unite humans. The sky is very important, since this is where air and sunlit are, so how about worshiping the sky? And of course, we will still need some leadership....
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:13 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Miranda-22 wrote:The only real solution is to return to the fields and plains, and you know that as well as I ;)


Yes, return to fields, and we shouldn't be sedentary, either. Disown towns and cities, to begin with. Remove all traces of modern technology so we can be pure, as nature wanted. Next, break up society into smaller units, fifty should be the largest group, since above fifty people humans cannot make reasonable bonds with everyone. This being done, the final step is to start worshiping a religion that can unite humans. The sky is very important, since this is where air and sunlit are, so how about worshiping the sky? And of course, we will still need some leadership....

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:16 pm

Miranda-22 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The solution is to abolish taxes. And the rich. And currency.

The only real solution is to return to the fields and plains, and you know that as well as I ;)


The solution is blood for the blood god.

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Just paint that on stuff and we can convince the foreigners we actually had a civil war.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:44 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Miranda-22 wrote:The only real solution is to return to the fields and plains, and you know that as well as I ;)


The solution is blood for the blood god.

Image


Just paint that on stuff and we can convince the foreigners we actually had a civil war.


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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:26 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I don't have a problem with people being rich. I have a problem with people being rich, dodging taxes, and getting away with it. Let's trade the 50s racism for 50s taxes instead. That'll really make America great again.

Except that 50s taxes were regularly dodged, and rightfully so.


They wanna live in America but not pay taxes toward maintaining this country? They can kick rocks.
The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you.

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