MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[New haven america]

Cohen things that Trump's gonna get Pence to pardon him if he looses.

2 bits about this: 1. While he may be federally pardoned, that doesn't help him with any state crimes he's racked up over the past 4 years, and 2. While it's technically not allowed, there have been a few times in the past where a new President has revoked the pardon made by a former President, so it's possible Biden could rescind that pardon without a 2nd thought.

But both of those make too much sense so that's probably not gonna happen. >_>

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Cohen things that Trump's gonna get Pence to pardon him if he looses.

2 bits about this: 1. While he may be federally pardoned, that doesn't help him with any state crimes he's racked up over the past 4 years, and 2. While it's technically not allowed, there have been a few times in the past where a new President has revoked the pardon made by a former President, so it's possible Biden could rescind that pardon without a 2nd thought.

But both of those make too much sense so that's probably not gonna happen. >_>

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

[Loben III]

Cohen things that Trump's gonna get Pence to pardon him if he looses.

2 bits about this: 1. While he may be federally pardoned, that doesn't help him with any state crimes he's racked up over the past 4 years, and 2. While it's technically not allowed, there have been a few times in the past where a new President has revoked the pardon made by a former President, so it's possible Biden could rescind that pardon without a 2nd thought.

But both of those make too much sense so that's probably not gonna happen. >_>

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

Why would we be better off if we prosecuted every president since Andrew Jackson for crimes?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Cohen things that Trump's gonna get Pence to pardon him if he looses.

2 bits about this: 1. While he may be federally pardoned, that doesn't help him with any state crimes he's racked up over the past 4 years, and 2. While it's technically not allowed, there have been a few times in the past where a new President has revoked the pardon made by a former President, so it's possible Biden could rescind that pardon without a 2nd thought.

But both of those make too much sense so that's probably not gonna happen. >_>

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

Yeah, Biden is a "nice guy" (as in Joe Biden, for all his fighting Irish talk regarding Trump in 2016, is a pussy) and he will likely try and seem like a good radical centrist by letting trump off the hook for his crimes against humanity. My mom believes otherwise but come on, it's Joe Biden. He was friends with segregationalists. His whole image is based around "I can be cool with anyone." It really sucks that Biden for all his talk about "We need to stop Trump" probably wont actually punish Trump for his misdeeds.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

Why would we be better off if we prosecuted every president since Andrew Jackson for crimes?

You are already making a leap of logic there, and you're not discussing the question at hand. Let me back track for a moment. First, you're supposed to ask:

"Why would it be good to prosecute Trump?"

to which I will answer

"Because, in a liberal democracy, no-one is above the law, and if the president has committed crimes, he should be punished to prevent future president from committing the same crimes"

To which you would answer

"But would we then have to prosecute every president since Andrew Jackson?"

To which I would say

"That's the slippery slope fallacy, you're making a strawman. Besides, we should also have prosecuted Andrew Jackson"

[Aureumterra]

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

Yeah, Biden is a "nice guy" (as in Joe Biden, for all his fighting Irish talk regarding Trump in 2016, is a pussy) and he will likely try and seem like a good radical centrist by letting trump off the hook for his crimes against humanity. My mom believes otherwise but come on, it's Joe Biden. He was friends with segregationalists. His whole image is based around "I can be cool with anyone." It really sucks that Biden for all his talk about "We need to stop Trump" probably wont actually punish Trump for his misdeeds.

Which is why I’m glad it was him rather than Bernie Sanders, at least he won’t try to push for the normalization of socialism. America collapsing like Venezuela is the last thing the world needs right now, because China would be happy to take its place

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Yeah, Biden is a "nice guy" (as in Joe Biden, for all his fighting Irish talk regarding Trump in 2016, is a pussy) and he will likely try and seem like a good radical centrist by letting trump off the hook for his crimes against humanity. My mom believes otherwise but come on, it's Joe Biden. He was friends with segregationalists. His whole image is based around "I can be cool with anyone." It really sucks that Biden for all his talk about "We need to stop Trump" probably wont actually punish Trump for his misdeeds.

Which is why I’m glad it was him rather than Bernie Sanders, at least he won’t try to push for the normalization of socialism. America collapsing like Venezuela is the last thing the world needs right now, because China would be happy to take its place

Instead, do what Trump does. Give China free reign in Asia and don't even try to oppose them...

Also, what about Bernie's plans would make the US collapse?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yeah, Biden is a "nice guy" (as in Joe Biden, for all his fighting Irish talk regarding Trump in 2016, is a pussy) and he will likely try and seem like a good radical centrist by letting trump off the hook for his crimes against humanity. My mom believes otherwise but come on, it's Joe Biden. He was friends with segregationalists. His whole image is based around "I can be cool with anyone." It really sucks that Biden for all his talk about "We need to stop Trump" probably wont actually punish Trump for his misdeeds.

Which is why I’m glad it was him rather than Bernie Sanders, at least he won’t try to push for the normalization of socialism. America collapsing like Venezuela is the last thing the world needs right now, because China would be happy to take its place

What bernie was pushing for is like what Canada or Sweden have. Calm down. As far as I can tell, those are two countries with a better standard of living than the US and they're safer too. God, does everyone legit think bernie sanders is an out and out communist?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Also, what about Bernie's plans would make the US collapse?

Feeding, clothing and provide healthcare to all American citizens. The absolute horreur.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Also, what about Bernie's plans would make the US collapse?

Feeding, clothing and provide healthcare to all American citizens. The absolute horreur.

Meanwhile in the real US under Trump:

•Millions out of work
•$300 a month unemployment benefits which won't pay the rent/mortgage and feed a family of four
•190,000 covid deaths
•Riots

[Kexholm and Karelia]

Donald Trump reiterates threat to scale back US economic ties with China

Unlike Joe "reconciliation with the Chinese" Biden, President Trump is actually taking on China and its communist government

[Vassenor]

Donald Trump reiterates threat to scale back US economic ties with China

Unlike Joe "reconciliation with the Chinese" Biden, President Trump is actually taking on China and its communist government

So what reconciliation is Biden proposing?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Donald Trump reiterates threat to scale back US economic ties with China

Unlike Joe "reconciliation with the Chinese" Biden, President Trump is actually taking on China and its communist government

Four years later he still threatens to end relations? Dudes a fucking con

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why would we be better off if we prosecuted every president since Andrew Jackson for crimes?

You are already making a leap of logic there, and you're not discussing the question at hand. Let me back track for a moment. First, you're supposed to ask:

"Why would it be good to prosecute Trump?"

to which I will answer

"Because, in a liberal democracy, no-one is above the law, and if the president has committed crimes, he should be punished to prevent future president from committing the same crimes"

To which you would answer

"But would we then have to prosecute every president since Andrew Jackson?"

To which I would say

"That's the slippery slope fallacy, you're making a strawman. Besides, we should also have prosecuted Andrew Jackson"

But plenty of people are above the law.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Donald Trump reiterates threat to scale back US economic ties with China

Unlike Joe "reconciliation with the Chinese" Biden, President Trump is actually taking on China and its communist government

Denying China a market in the US would be a disastrous move. Government has to be strong and decisive and extravagant: pick winning companies and take a stake in them. Then subsidize them, so they supply not just the US market in whatever frivolous crap people want, but the whole world market too.

The US is currently a food exporter. And jets, and "services" whatever the fuck they are. You won't get back to being an awesome exporter by limiting imports. That's just dumb.

[Rusozak]

Donald Trump reiterates threat to scale back US economic ties with China

Unlike Joe "reconciliation with the Chinese" Biden, President Trump is actually taking on China and its communist government

How's that made in China MAGA merchandise fitting?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You are already making a leap of logic there, and you're not discussing the question at hand. Let me back track for a moment. First, you're supposed to ask:

"Why would it be good to prosecute Trump?"

to which I will answer

"Because, in a liberal democracy, no-one is above the law, and if the president has committed crimes, he should be punished to prevent future president from committing the same crimes"

To which you would answer

"But would we then have to prosecute every president since Andrew Jackson?"

To which I would say

"That's the slippery slope fallacy, you're making a strawman. Besides, we should also have prosecuted Andrew Jackson"

But plenty of people are above the law.

Separate "is" and "ought". It could be that some people are not punished, but that does not mean that we should throw out the concept of prosecution altogether. If anything, if you can point to those people you mentioned, then we should endeavour to prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

Would you, on jury duty, vote 'not guilty' because not every other crime is punished?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Which is why I’m glad it was him rather than Bernie Sanders, at least he won’t try to push for the normalization of socialism. America collapsing like Venezuela is the last thing the world needs right now, because China would be happy to take its place

Instead, do what Trump does. Give China free reign in Asia and don't even try to oppose them...

Also, what about Bernie's plans would make the US collapse?

Apparently trying to transition the US into a social democracy would cause it to turn into Venezuela, somehow. All coming from Aureumterra who lives in a social democracy that hasn’t turned his country into Venezuela.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

You are already making a leap of logic there, and you're not discussing the question at hand. Let me back track for a moment. First, you're supposed to ask:

"Why would it be good to prosecute Trump?"

to which I will answer

"Because, in a liberal democracy, no-one is above the law, and if the president has committed crimes, he should be punished to prevent future president from committing the same crimes"

To which you would answer

"But would we then have to prosecute every president since Andrew Jackson?"

To which I would say

"That's the slippery slope fallacy, you're making a strawman. Besides, we should also have prosecuted Andrew Jackson"

But plenty of people are above the law.

Are saying that that’s a good thing?

[New haven america]

Cohen things that Trump's gonna get Pence to pardon him if he looses.

2 bits about this: 1. While he may be federally pardoned, that doesn't help him with any state crimes he's racked up over the past 4 years, and 2. While it's technically not allowed, there have been a few times in the past where a new President has revoked the pardon made by a former President, so it's possible Biden could rescind that pardon without a 2nd thought.

But both of those make too much sense so that's probably not gonna happen. >_>

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

lol, no.

Biden fucking hates Trump.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

Why would we be better off if we prosecuted every president since Andrew Jackson for crimes?

Why prosecute Trump when he leaves office?

Maybe, to wipe out the false impression that of all the 330 million people in the US, the person serving as President is not the only one immune from prosecution for crimes.

The Constitution and all Laws based on it, should be above the President. Or tear them up.

[The Alma Mater]

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

lol, no.

Biden fucking hates Trump.

Why ? They are both old men representing almost identical political parties. They can bond over diapers.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

lol, no.

Biden fucking hates Trump.

Politically and personally, yes.

But for appearances I think Biden would wait a while, and show signs of thinking it over. Then with gravity and sorrow, announce the prosecution will proceed. For Due Process.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

lol, no.

Biden fucking hates Trump.

He also is a centrist and a wimp tbh.

[Cannot think of a name]

And pardon from federal prosecution would be meaningless anyway. Biden is not going to go after Trump. Biden, opposed to Trump, still wants to break bread with the Republican party. So, he will sweep in under the rug and reconciliate with them, and the country being none the better for it.

lol, no.

Biden fucking hates Trump.

The idea is that Biden wants to reform a coalition and put Trump behind us. In theory if the first thing he does as president is punish the previous president he locks away and alienates voters who otherwise he might be able to welcome back into reasonable discourse. If ‘reluctant’ Republicans feel like they’re being punished for their vote, the theory goes, than the divisions that are hamstringing the country continue.

Not my theory, I certainly see the logic in it consistent with the way Biden has been his entire career. I do, however, believe that a lot of what Trump has done has highlighted issues where previous architects didn’t think they had to write that stuff down, too much left to decorum that now has to be codified. Let SDNY go after Trump but spend some time codifying and making official some of the things that were left to decorum before. Strengthen barriers between the presidency and profiting off the presidency, things like that.

It’s all kind of in the air. We know he’s going to set shit on fire if he loses but we don’t really know what damage he’ll do or try to do in those two months or so between losing and doing the sad shimmy to the helicopter.