MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Grinning Dragon]

Then how about we stop cutting down trees and find alternatives.

Wood is a very good construction material for storing carbon, but we need to stop cutting down ancient forests and just create trees for the sake of cutting them down. Create a vast forest, plant trees in a circular manner, and cut them down while planting new ones. No biodiversity lost, and we get a huge CO2 sink out of it. Of course, this is expensive and the free market will just keep clearing ancient forests and biodiversity until we stop them.

You mean something like forestry tree farms that exist?

[San Lumen]

Wood is a very good construction material for storing carbon, but we need to stop cutting down ancient forests and just create trees for the sake of cutting them down. Create a vast forest, plant trees in a circular manner, and cut them down while planting new ones. No biodiversity lost, and we get a huge CO2 sink out of it. Of course, this is expensive and the free market will just keep clearing ancient forests and biodiversity until we stop them.

You mean something like forestry tree farms that exist?

If tree farms are real that's a great idea.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Wood is a very good construction material for storing carbon, but we need to stop cutting down ancient forests and just create trees for the sake of cutting them down. Create a vast forest, plant trees in a circular manner, and cut them down while planting new ones. No biodiversity lost, and we get a huge CO2 sink out of it. Of course, this is expensive and the free market will just keep clearing ancient forests and biodiversity until we stop them.

You mean something like forestry tree farms that exist?

Yes, but only that. I'm not claiming it was a new idea, just that it needs to be the only way we log.

[Grinning Dragon]

You mean something like forestry tree farms that exist?

Yes, but only that. I'm not claiming it was a new idea, just that it needs to be the only way we log.

As I understand it, a majority of timber cut comes from those tree farms, the old growth from state and federal forests get cut due to forest management.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Yes, but only that. I'm not claiming it was a new idea, just that it needs to be the only way we log.

As I understand it, a majority of timber cut comes from those tree farms, the old growth from state and federal forests get cut due to forest management.

A majority, of course, not being 100%.

Forest management, while important, cannot be trusted to create large amounts of timber, and I really question whether good forest management can include taking away the felled trees instead of leaving them where they are.

[San Lumen]

Yes, but only that. I'm not claiming it was a new idea, just that it needs to be the only way we log.

As I understand it, a majority of timber cut comes from those tree farms, the old growth from state and federal forests get cut due to forest management.

Why does it need to be cut down? let the forest be.

[Major-Tom]

As I understand it, a majority of timber cut comes from those tree farms, the old growth from state and federal forests get cut due to forest management.

Why does it need to be cut down? let the forest be.

In Northern AZ, at least, we do controlled burns and cuts every spring and despite our insane droughts, we usually fare much better in terms of wildfires than our neighbors. Dense, burnable forests can be quite destructive.

Not to say it's Cali's fault, most of that land is federal land, making it the fed's responsibility tbh, not to mention, the trees commonplace in those forests are far more combustible and prone to insane growth rates.

[Fahran]

Why does it need to be cut down? let the forest be.

Because dead, desiccated trees and foliage provide excellent kindling for wildfires when left unmanaged. We actually clear them off the ranch for that reason, as well as to prevent snakes from finding too cozy a home in places where we would prefer not to have snakes.

[Grinning Dragon]

As I understand it, a majority of timber cut comes from those tree farms, the old growth from state and federal forests get cut due to forest management.

A majority, of course, not being 100%.

Forest management, while important, cannot be trusted to create large amounts of timber, and I really question whether good forest management can include taking away the felled trees instead of leaving them where they are.

If I remember correctly by what my uncle explained years ago(retired now) when he worked for the Alaskan state govt, the state there wants wide fire breaks and allowing logging companies access put the cost of logging on the company instead of the taxpayer. I'm assuming the same type of practice is the same for other states.

[San Lumen]

Why does it need to be cut down? let the forest be.

Because dead, desiccated trees and foliage provide excellent kindling for wildfires when left unmanaged. We actually clear them off the ranch for that reason, as well as to prevent snakes from finding too cozy a home in places where we would prefer not to have snakes.

Thats nature. Snakes were there first.

[Seangoli]

Because dead, desiccated trees and foliage provide excellent kindling for wildfires when left unmanaged. We actually clear them off the ranch for that reason, as well as to prevent snakes from finding too cozy a home in places where we would prefer not to have snakes.

Thats nature. Snakes were there first.

I'm guessing you live in a house, innantown or a city. A town or a city that liked caused far, far more damage to the environment and likely still does than forest management.

Now, something to keep in mind is that trees in dense forests can overcrowd one another. The modern day has disrupted the mechanisms that kept this in check, be it natural forces such as occasdional and common wildfires that burn dead or dying trees, to a loss of various animals that would do much the same. The problems is that there is only so much "food", if you will, for given trees. Get too many, and you have overcrowding, which blocks off light to the undergrowth, which can cause problems for the ecosystem at the bottom of the forest, which in turn leads to poorer soils. The trees compete with each other for resources, and due to more competition there is less nutritional content relative to each tree, further exacerbating the problem.

Then you get into build of brushes, tree falls, etc over time. With the mechanisms that keep the numbers in check, it's not a big deal. The next wildfire will just burn a bit and be done with it. With active measures to prevent and limit wildfires, with more dead trees from overcrowding, you end up with an apocalyptic wildfire than wipes out the forest rather than burning some of it.

[Ifreann]

Then how about we stop cutting down trees and find alternatives.

Wood is a very good construction material for storing carbon, but we need to stop cutting down ancient forests and just create trees for the sake of cutting them down. Create a vast forest, plant trees in a circular manner, and cut them down while planting new ones. No biodiversity lost, and we get a huge CO2 sink out of it. Of course, this is expensive and the free market will just keep clearing ancient forests and biodiversity until we stop them.

Ban the free market. *nods*

[San Lumen]

Thats nature. Snakes were there first.

I'm guessing you live in a house, innantown or a city. A town or a city that liked caused far, far more damage to the environment and likely still does than forest management.

Now, something to keep in mind is that trees in dense forests can overcrowd one another. The modern day has disrupted the mechanisms that kept this in check, be it natural forces such as occasdional and common wildfires that burn dead or dying trees, to a loss of various animals that would do much the same. The problems is that there is only so much "food", if you will, for given trees. Get too many, and you have overcrowding, which blocks off light to the undergrowth, which can cause problems for the ecosystem at the bottom of the forest, which in turn leads to poorer soils. The trees compete with each other for resources, and due to more competition there is less nutritional content relative to each tree, further exacerbating the problem.

Then you get into build of brushes, tree falls, etc over time. With the mechanisms that keep the numbers in check, it's not a big deal. The next wildfire will just burn a bit and be done with it. With active measures to prevent and limit wildfires, with more dead trees from overcrowding, you end up with an apocalyptic wildfire than wipes out the forest rather than burning some of it.

Let some wildfires burn then.

[Ifreann]

I'm guessing you live in a house, innantown or a city. A town or a city that liked caused far, far more damage to the environment and likely still does than forest management.

Now, something to keep in mind is that trees in dense forests can overcrowd one another. The modern day has disrupted the mechanisms that kept this in check, be it natural forces such as occasdional and common wildfires that burn dead or dying trees, to a loss of various animals that would do much the same. The problems is that there is only so much "food", if you will, for given trees. Get too many, and you have overcrowding, which blocks off light to the undergrowth, which can cause problems for the ecosystem at the bottom of the forest, which in turn leads to poorer soils. The trees compete with each other for resources, and due to more competition there is less nutritional content relative to each tree, further exacerbating the problem.

Then you get into build of brushes, tree falls, etc over time. With the mechanisms that keep the numbers in check, it's not a big deal. The next wildfire will just burn a bit and be done with it. With active measures to prevent and limit wildfires, with more dead trees from overcrowding, you end up with an apocalyptic wildfire than wipes out the forest rather than burning some of it.

Let some wildfires burn then.

And burn all the poor sneks? The precious danger noodles?

[San Lumen]

Let some wildfires burn then.

And burn all the poor sneks? The precious danger noodles?

The what?

[Ifreann]

And burn all the poor sneks? The precious danger noodles?

The what?

[West Leas Oros 2]

I'm guessing you live in a house, innantown or a city. A town or a city that liked caused far, far more damage to the environment and likely still does than forest management.

Now, something to keep in mind is that trees in dense forests can overcrowd one another. The modern day has disrupted the mechanisms that kept this in check, be it natural forces such as occasdional and common wildfires that burn dead or dying trees, to a loss of various animals that would do much the same. The problems is that there is only so much "food", if you will, for given trees. Get too many, and you have overcrowding, which blocks off light to the undergrowth, which can cause problems for the ecosystem at the bottom of the forest, which in turn leads to poorer soils. The trees compete with each other for resources, and due to more competition there is less nutritional content relative to each tree, further exacerbating the problem.

Then you get into build of brushes, tree falls, etc over time. With the mechanisms that keep the numbers in check, it's not a big deal. The next wildfire will just burn a bit and be done with it. With active measures to prevent and limit wildfires, with more dead trees from overcrowding, you end up with an apocalyptic wildfire than wipes out the forest rather than burning some of it.

Let some wildfires burn then.

As some who's lived in a rural area my whole life in a heavily forested environment, this an incredibly ignorant comment.

[Loben III]

I'm guessing you live in a house, innantown or a city. A town or a city that liked caused far, far more damage to the environment and likely still does than forest management.

Now, something to keep in mind is that trees in dense forests can overcrowd one another. The modern day has disrupted the mechanisms that kept this in check, be it natural forces such as occasdional and common wildfires that burn dead or dying trees, to a loss of various animals that would do much the same. The problems is that there is only so much "food", if you will, for given trees. Get too many, and you have overcrowding, which blocks off light to the undergrowth, which can cause problems for the ecosystem at the bottom of the forest, which in turn leads to poorer soils. The trees compete with each other for resources, and due to more competition there is less nutritional content relative to each tree, further exacerbating the problem.

Then you get into build of brushes, tree falls, etc over time. With the mechanisms that keep the numbers in check, it's not a big deal. The next wildfire will just burn a bit and be done with it. With active measures to prevent and limit wildfires, with more dead trees from overcrowding, you end up with an apocalyptic wildfire than wipes out the forest rather than burning some of it.

Let some wildfires burn then.

saving this for posterity.

[Cannot think of a name]

Let some wildfires burn then.

As some who's lived in a rural area my whole life in a heavily forested environment, this an incredibly ignorant comment.

We should be doing controlled burns, though. I honestly thought were still doing that, It thought I had just moved away from seeing that.

It is kind of refreshing though that some of the NIMBYs that prevented controlled burns are the ones that got burned. Usually consequences are for other people.

[West Leas Oros 2]

As some who's lived in a rural area my whole life in a heavily forested environment, this an incredibly ignorant comment.

We should be doing controlled burns, though. I honestly thought were still doing that, It thought I had just moved away from seeing that.

It is kind of refreshing though that some of the NIMBYs that prevented controlled burns are the ones that got burned. Usually consequences are for other people.

There's a difference between controlled burns and doing fuck all, as San Lumen proposes.

[The Black Forrest]

Let some wildfires burn then.

And burn all the poor sneks? The precious danger noodles?

Eh? Didn’t you guys get rid of all the snakes in your land?

[Farnhamia]

And burn all the poor sneks? The precious danger noodles?

Eh? Didn’t you guys get rid of all the snakes in your land?

You have to have something in order to get rid of it.

[Fartsniffage]

Eh? Didn’t you guys get rid of all the snakes in your land?

You have to have something in order to get rid of it.

Ireland has plenty of snakes. *looks at the DUP*

[Telconi]

Because dead, desiccated trees and foliage provide excellent kindling for wildfires when left unmanaged. We actually clear them off the ranch for that reason, as well as to prevent snakes from finding too cozy a home in places where we would prefer not to have snakes.

Thats nature. Snakes were there first.

Heart attacks and cancer are nature too, should we stop having doctors?

[San Lumen]

Thats nature. Snakes were there first.

Heart attacks and cancer are nature too, should we stop having doctors?

What an amazing strawman. I think you win an award for that one.