NATION

PASSWORD

MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Kowani
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44957
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:37 pm

Fahran wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Are we allowed to call Trump a Tin-Pot dictator now, after his speech over the peaceful transition of power?

You can call him a dictator if and when he successfully seizes power. I have my doubts he'll be able to manage that given he can't seem to manage the more routine affairs of state without severe hiccoughs.

Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.
American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


Historian, of sorts.

Effortposts can be found here!

User avatar
Celritannia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18417
Founded: Nov 10, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Celritannia » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Fahran wrote:You can call him a dictator if and when he successfully seizes power. I have my doubts he'll be able to manage that given he can't seem to manage the more routine affairs of state without severe hiccoughs.

Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.


IIRC, didn't he also say the US should try out a President for Life system after meeting President Xi Jinping?

My DeviantArt
Obey
When you annoy a Celritannian
U W0T M8?
Zirkagrad wrote:A person with a penchant for flying lions with long tongues, could possibly be a fan of Kiss. Maybe the classiest nation with a lion with its tongue hanging out. Enjoys only the finest tea.

Nakena wrote:NSG's Most Serene Salad
Citizen of Earth, Commonwealthian, European, British, Yorkshireman.
Atheist, Environmentalist

User avatar
Kowani
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44957
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:41 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.


IIRC, didn't he also say the US should try out a President for Life system after meeting President Xi Jinping?

Yes.
American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


Historian, of sorts.

Effortposts can be found here!

User avatar
Celritannia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18417
Founded: Nov 10, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Celritannia » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
IIRC, didn't he also say the US should try out a President for Life system after meeting President Xi Jinping?

Yes.


"If I keep mentioning it, maybe it will happen - JK, JK. Maybe"

My DeviantArt
Obey
When you annoy a Celritannian
U W0T M8?
Zirkagrad wrote:A person with a penchant for flying lions with long tongues, could possibly be a fan of Kiss. Maybe the classiest nation with a lion with its tongue hanging out. Enjoys only the finest tea.

Nakena wrote:NSG's Most Serene Salad
Citizen of Earth, Commonwealthian, European, British, Yorkshireman.
Atheist, Environmentalist

User avatar
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27931
Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
IIRC, didn't he also say the US should try out a President for Life system after meeting President Xi Jinping?

Yes.

Are you not entertained, America?
The Holy Romangnan Empire of Ostmark
something something the sole legitimate Austria-Hungary larp'er on NS :3

MT/MagicT
The Armed Forces|Embassy Programme|The Imperial and National Anthem of the Holy Roman Empire|Characters|The Map

User avatar
The Rich Port
Post Czar
 
Posts: 38272
Founded: Jul 29, 2008
Left-Leaning College State

Postby The Rich Port » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:46 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes.


"If I keep mentioning it, maybe it will happen - JK, JK. Maybe"


Schrodinger's Douchebag if he was an elected official.
THOSE THAT SOW THORNS SHOULD NOT EXPECT FLOWERS
CONSERVATISM IS FEAR AND STAGNATION AS IDEOLOGY. ONLY MARCH FORWARD.

Pronouns: She/Her
The Alt-Right Playbook
Alt-right/racist terminology
LOVEWHOYOUARE~

User avatar
Kowani
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44957
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:49 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes.

Are you not entertained, America?

We live in a society of spectacle.
American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


Historian, of sorts.

Effortposts can be found here!

User avatar
Telconi
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34903
Founded: Oct 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Are you not entertained, America?

We live in a society of spectacle.


At least we're entertained tho, better a flashy fun hellhole than a boring one.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

User avatar
Fahran
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 22562
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:24 pm

Kowani wrote:Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.

It strikes me as far-fetched, though I have no serious objections on principle to legislature appointed electors so long as they're not appointed to fix a particular election. I'm pretty sure his plan is probably illegal though. And it'd cause a civil war. Tfw Republic of Texas II: Yeehaw Boogaloo is getting closer every day.

User avatar
Trollzyn the Infinite
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5496
Founded: Aug 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:30 pm

Kowani wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
IIRC, didn't he also say the US should try out a President for Life system after meeting President Xi Jinping?

Yes.


Ha ha ha.

*cries*
☆ American Patriot ☆ Civic Nationalist ☆ Rocker & Metalhead ☆ Heretical Christian ☆
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."

Reminder that Donald J. Trump is officially a traitor to the United States of America as of January 6th, 2021
The Paradox of Tolerance
永远不会忘记1989年6月4日天安门广场大屠杀
Ես Արցախի կողքին եմ
Wanted Fugitive of the Chinese Communist Party
Unapologetic stan for Lana Beniko - #1 Sith Waifu

User avatar
Kowani
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44957
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:31 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.

It strikes me as far-fetched, though I have no serious objections on principle to legislature appointed electors so long as they're not appointed to fix a particular election.

Yes, legislature appointed electors, who are typically party insiders will totally make the best choice for the country.
I'm pretty sure his plan is probably illegal though.

Why do you think Trump wants to ram through another justice, exactly?

And it'd cause a civil war. Tfw Republic of Texas II: Yeehaw Boogaloo is getting closer every day.

Both of those things are bad.
American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


Historian, of sorts.

Effortposts can be found here!

User avatar
Kowani
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44957
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:We live in a society of spectacle.


At least we're entertained tho, better a flashy fun hellhole than a boring one.

Words fail to express my degree of excitement.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes.


Ha ha ha.

*cries*

Look at this way: Trump Dynasty.
American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


Historian, of sorts.

Effortposts can be found here!

User avatar
Trollzyn the Infinite
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5496
Founded: Aug 22, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:33 pm

Kowani wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Ha ha ha.

*cries*

Look at this way: Trump Dynasty.


Ha ha ha.

*cries even more*
☆ American Patriot ☆ Civic Nationalist ☆ Rocker & Metalhead ☆ Heretical Christian ☆
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right."

Reminder that Donald J. Trump is officially a traitor to the United States of America as of January 6th, 2021
The Paradox of Tolerance
永远不会忘记1989年6月4日天安门广场大屠杀
Ես Արցախի կողքին եմ
Wanted Fugitive of the Chinese Communist Party
Unapologetic stan for Lana Beniko - #1 Sith Waifu

User avatar
Achidyemay
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1729
Founded: Oct 14, 2013
New York Times Democracy

Postby Achidyemay » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:00 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.

It strikes me as far-fetched, though I have no serious objections on principle to legislature appointed electors so long as they're not appointed to fix a particular election. I'm pretty sure his plan is probably illegal though. And it'd cause a civil war. Tfw Republic of Texas II: Yeehaw Boogaloo is getting closer every day.

It might work in Arizona and Florida, but, at the very least, the other states have Democrat governors who need to sign off on the Certificate of Ascertainment that verifies the Elector as being really an elector. Tho it's hard to know for sure, each state handles it differently and has a different relationship between the Legislature and the Executive.
Dear Sir: Regarding your article 'What's Wrong with the World?' I am.
Yours truly,
G.K. Chesterton

User avatar
Fahran
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 22562
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:03 pm

Kowani wrote:Yes, legislature appointed electors, who are typically party insiders will totally make the best choice for the country.

The issue it creates in this instance would be a potential disconnect between the popular will in a given state and the will of the legislature, a matter that can be remedied in the long-term via elections. Indirect appointment of electors isn't exactly a novel policy. The issue here is that it's a thinly veiled attempt to fix an election by changing the rules last minute.

Kowani wrote:Why do you think Trump wants to ram through another justice, exactly?

I don't think the justices he's appointed thus far are anywhere near as beholden to Trump as a person as people who dislike them presume. A Biden presidency isn't going to change all that much unless Biden caves to progressives and tries to do much more beyond a "return to normalcy", which is what he'd likely have a mandate to do. Packing the most credible branch of government would squander political capital, set a terrible precedent, and lose the center. Allowing riots to continue simmering or caving and implementing policies that exacerbate the existing crime wave aren't going to play well either. I'm wholly expecting Biden to rule from the middle and, as such, there's no actual reason we can expect the SCOTUS to go along with a coup. They never have before.

Kowani wrote:Both of those things are bad.

Why do you hate the idea of a based Anglo-Latin cowboy successor state to the United States?

User avatar
Aclion
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6249
Founded: Apr 12, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Aclion » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:19 pm

Kowani wrote:
Fahran wrote:You can call him a dictator if and when he successfully seizes power. I have my doubts he'll be able to manage that given he can't seem to manage the more routine affairs of state without severe hiccoughs.

Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.

why is a doomsday fiction piece from novemeber being reported on as his latest plan?
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. - James Madison.

User avatar
West Leas Oros 2
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6004
Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:37 pm

Aclion wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, based on his latest plan, which has Very few legal obstacles and very few moving parts that Trump himself can mess up, it’s not actually impossible.

why is a doomsday fiction piece from novemeber being reported on as his latest plan?

The more I look, the more it seems we approach doomsday.
WLO Public News: Outdated Factbooks and other documents in process of major redesign! ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE: <error:not found>
How many South Americans need to be killed by the CIA before you realize socialism is bad?
I like to think I've come a long way since the days of the First WLO.
Conscientious Objector in the “Culture War”

NationStates Leftist Alternative only needs a couple more nations before it can hold its constitutional convention!

User avatar
Valrifell
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31063
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Valrifell » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:39 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Aclion wrote:why is a doomsday fiction piece from novemeber being reported on as his latest plan?

The more I look, the more it seems we approach doomsday.


The end of the world has been happening continuously since March 19th 1982.
HAVING AN ALL CAPS SIG MAKES ME FEEL SMART

User avatar
West Leas Oros 2
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6004
Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:40 pm

Valrifell wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:The more I look, the more it seems we approach doomsday.


The end of the world has been happening continuously since March 19th 1982.

That’s an oddly specific date.
WLO Public News: Outdated Factbooks and other documents in process of major redesign! ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE: <error:not found>
How many South Americans need to be killed by the CIA before you realize socialism is bad?
I like to think I've come a long way since the days of the First WLO.
Conscientious Objector in the “Culture War”

NationStates Leftist Alternative only needs a couple more nations before it can hold its constitutional convention!

User avatar
Valrifell
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31063
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Valrifell » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:55 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The end of the world has been happening continuously since March 19th 1982.

That’s an oddly specific date.


All dates have the exact same amount of specificity.
HAVING AN ALL CAPS SIG MAKES ME FEEL SMART

User avatar
West Leas Oros 2
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6004
Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:59 pm

Valrifell wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:That’s an oddly specific date.


All dates have the exact same amount of specificity.

I mean, that is the day that American heavy metal guitarist Randy Rhoads died in an aviation accident.
WLO Public News: Outdated Factbooks and other documents in process of major redesign! ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE: <error:not found>
How many South Americans need to be killed by the CIA before you realize socialism is bad?
I like to think I've come a long way since the days of the First WLO.
Conscientious Objector in the “Culture War”

NationStates Leftist Alternative only needs a couple more nations before it can hold its constitutional convention!

User avatar
Valrifell
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31063
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Valrifell » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:00 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
All dates have the exact same amount of specificity.

I mean, that is the day that American heavy metal guitarist Randy Rhoads died in an aviation accident.


oh shit really?
HAVING AN ALL CAPS SIG MAKES ME FEEL SMART

User avatar
West Leas Oros 2
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6004
Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:00 pm

Valrifell wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I mean, that is the day that American heavy metal guitarist Randy Rhoads died in an aviation accident.


oh shit really?

Apparently.
WLO Public News: Outdated Factbooks and other documents in process of major redesign! ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE: <error:not found>
How many South Americans need to be killed by the CIA before you realize socialism is bad?
I like to think I've come a long way since the days of the First WLO.
Conscientious Objector in the “Culture War”

NationStates Leftist Alternative only needs a couple more nations before it can hold its constitutional convention!

User avatar
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27931
Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:00 pm

Ngl it all started going down hill the day Kennedy died tbh.
The Holy Romangnan Empire of Ostmark
something something the sole legitimate Austria-Hungary larp'er on NS :3

MT/MagicT
The Armed Forces|Embassy Programme|The Imperial and National Anthem of the Holy Roman Empire|Characters|The Map

User avatar
Valrifell
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31063
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Valrifell » Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:04 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Ngl it all started going down hill the day Kennedy died tbh.


Nixon's impeachment, actually.

The Watergate scandal brought with it such a drop in the trust of the legitimacy of government that the US has never really recovered from, leading to the rise of the "small government" right and playing somewhat directly into the Reagan Revolution.

Pew has a wonderful chart illustrating this point, look at how far it dropped under Nixon! Since then, the only time the majority of Americans trusted the government was in the immediate aftermath of the 2001 attacks. Though apparently people really liked Bill Clinton, since his term is the only one with no drops in confidence.
Last edited by Valrifell on Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
HAVING AN ALL CAPS SIG MAKES ME FEEL SMART

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Eahland, El Lazaro, Google [Bot], Maximum Imperium Rex, New Temecula, Shrillland, Soviet Haaregrad, Statesburg, The Confederate States of America, The Two Jerseys, Tiami, Verkhoyanska, Xind, Yasuragi

Advertisement

Remove ads