MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[The Alma Mater]

It is riddled with small failures that eventually correct themselves.

"Small" is relative. Making everything more expensive because playing the system is more beneficial than contributing is not "small"

[The Black Forrest]

Real world history doesn't agree with this assessment.

It actually does.

Capitalism itself is a failure.

Fake and Marx-pilled.

Ahhh the sweet myth of the self correcting free market.

So what does a discussion of what capitalism is or is not have to do with MAGA?

[Northern Davincia]

It would depend on the law that is being broken for the sake of self-gratification. Almost every politician benefits from their office, either legally or illegally, but laws themselves are not always right. Either we are being too harsh on Trump, or too lenient on politicians (and the latter is the more likely of the two).

Fairness is an arbitrary concept, standard of living is a continually increasing thing, and happiness is also arbitrary.

If that were the case, it would not exist for so long.

It is riddled with small failures that eventually correct themselves.

We are indeed not being harsh enough on politicians. Your ability to debate this matter is greatly hindered by your lack of respect for people with different views.

Happiness and fairness are not abritrary, they are just not measurable. But we can still see how many people suffer under the current system.

Again, only if you define 'success' as continued existence. Capitalism is curshing many people who do not deserve to be crushed, and it elevates people with more money than sense. The fact that capitalism is good at enforcing itself does not mean that it is a good system. It is somewhat stable, but that stability was brought about solely through compromise with socialists. Otherwise, capitalism would have been torn down in the late 19th century.

A system that makes everyone happy is utopian and impossible, which is why happiness itself is a poor metric. Fairness, I believe, is when a strong work ethic puts a man on top of the social hierarchy, and NEETs at the very bottom. Every compromise with the left has been a mistake and was terribly short-sighted.
However, I am curious as to what role my level of respect plays in all this.

[Farnhamia]

It actually does.

Fake and Marx-pilled.

Ahhh the sweet myth of the self correcting free market.

So what does a discussion of what capitalism is or is not have to do with MAGA?

One does wonder.

[Cannot think of a name]

Kayleigh is giving a briefing that so far seems likes she’s trying to ‘greatest hits’ his resume.

EDIT: And BOOOM, first question is about the Woodward interview.

EDIT 2: And the second question, also about the Woodward interview.

Kayleigh’s defense seems to be “No no, he was trying to invoke calm. That’s what leaders do...”

[The Black Forrest]

Kayleigh is giving a briefing that so far seems likes she’s trying to ‘greatest hits’ his resume.

EDIT: And BOOOM, first question is about the Woodward interview.

EDIT 2: And the second question, also about the Woodward interview.

Kayleigh’s defense seems to be “No no, he was trying to invoke calm. That’s what leaders do...”

Is she telling fibs? She swore she never would.

[The Black Forrest]

So now it appears they love Fauci and Birx again.

[Cannot think of a name]

They are NOT letting this go.

Now she’s trying to justify the ‘one day it will just go away’...now she was upset about not including the ‘not insight panic’ part of Trump’s quote, but she isn’t including the ‘like magic’ part of the ‘it will go away.’

Apparently the therapeutics are down to Trump and not medical professionals.

[The Black Forrest]

Heh. I can see how this would work.

I didn’t lie to you dear; I was expressing calmness.

[Cannot think of a name]

So apparently the current strategy was ‘he was expressing calm and taking it seriously while the Dems were impeaching him.’

They really want ‘scoreboard’ to be a defense against handling COVID, but only if you look at one specific stat on the scoreboard.

[Ifreann]

Bob Woodward's new book quotes Trump, from interviews in February, admitting that he was deliberately down-playing the danger of covid-19 in public. Trump knew all along the danger facing America. But he pretended there was no danger and took no action and thousands and thousands of people have died as a result.

[Conservative Republic Of Huang]

Donald Trump reiterates threat to scale back US economic ties with China

Unlike Joe "reconciliation with the Chinese" Biden, President Trump is actually taking on China and its communist government

Oh no! The USA wants to shoot itself in the foot with expensive subsidies and tariffs! We better change our system of government now!

What do you think will happen? China isn't going to back down. It's just an attempt to score quick political points.

In fact, it's counterproductive.

All this posturing does is give ammunition for Chinese domestic propaganda and further push it away from the remotest chance of reform. The Soviet Union wasn't destroyed by a bunch of jingoistic posturing. It fell, because the contrast between the prosperous West and the Eastern Bloc was so great and so widely known.

As I said, this posturing simply makes the people of China more anti-Western (unsurprising, since the trade war is negatively affecting their livelihoods) and more supportive of the current government.

Keep pushing China and you'll get a North Korea with no chance ever for any sort of political reform.

[Cannot think of a name]

Bob Woodward's new book quotes Trump, from interviews in February, admitting that he was deliberately down-playing the danger of covid-19 in public. Trump knew all along the danger facing America. But he pretended there was no danger and took no action and thousands and thousands of people have died as a result.

The press room is riddling his press secretary about it right now.

Her answer to “Why in the wide world of fucks did Trump agree to do this interview with Woodward” and her answer was ‘that he’s the most transparent president in history.’...

[Cannot think of a name]

Ha, okay. So someone went, “How is saying that this will disappear by April expressing calm” she had to switch gears between “well he thought it might...” to going back to blaming China and WHO.

[Cannot think of a name]

So apparently the Atlantic story isn’t true because the guy who wrote it started the Iraq war or something. I’m sure some Trump supporter will explain it as it works it’s way through the Trump-O-sphere.

The question “If he wasn’t lying why did he call it a hoax?” Was asked to her back.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

We are indeed not being harsh enough on politicians. Your ability to debate this matter is greatly hindered by your lack of respect for people with different views.

Happiness and fairness are not abritrary, they are just not measurable. But we can still see how many people suffer under the current system.

Again, only if you define 'success' as continued existence. Capitalism is curshing many people who do not deserve to be crushed, and it elevates people with more money than sense. The fact that capitalism is good at enforcing itself does not mean that it is a good system. It is somewhat stable, but that stability was brought about solely through compromise with socialists. Otherwise, capitalism would have been torn down in the late 19th century.

A system that makes everyone happy is utopian and impossible, which is why happiness itself is a poor metric. Fairness, I believe, is when a strong work ethic puts a man on top of the social hierarchy, and NEETs at the very bottom. Every compromise with the left has been a mistake and was terribly short-sighted.
However, I am curious as to what role my level of respect plays in all this.

Then according to your definition, capitalism isn’t fair. Or do you think working hardes makes it possible to own more than a landlord? That’s the whole dichotomy of capitalism: those who work will always make less than those who own.

Universal happiness being impossible does not mean that one system makes happier than others. “Perfect X is not possible so we should not try to imrpove” is a very obvious fallacy.

Because you lack respect, you expect your opponent’s views to be inconsistent, for example on holding politicians accountable. If you see all opposing views as internally inconsistent, you never have to evaluate them, which is why you never evaluate your own position.

[Rusozak]

So apparently the Atlantic story isn’t true because the guy who wrote it started the Iraq war or something. I’m sure some Trump supporter will explain it as it works it’s way through the Trump-O-sphere.

I didn't know Dick Cheney is working for The Atlantic now.

[Cannot think of a name]

So apparently the Atlantic story isn’t true because the guy who wrote it started the Iraq war or something. I’m sure some Trump supporter will explain it as it works it’s way through the Trump-O-sphere.

I didn't know Dick Cheney is working for The Atlantic now.

Times are tough, we all gotta moonlight...

[Farnhamia]

Bob Woodward's new book quotes Trump, from interviews in February, admitting that he was deliberately down-playing the danger of covid-19 in public. Trump knew all along the danger facing America. But he pretended there was no danger and took no action and thousands and thousands of people have died as a result.

The press room is riddling his press secretary about it right now.

Her answer to “Why in the wide world of fucks did Trump agree to do this interview with Woodward” and her answer was ‘that he’s the most transparent president in history.’...

Well, hopefully the American people will actually see through him on Election Day.

[Bear Stearns]

So apparently the Atlantic story isn’t true because the guy who wrote it started the Iraq war or something. I’m sure some Trump supporter will explain it as it works it’s way through the Trump-O-sphere.

The question “If he wasn’t lying why did he call it a hoax?” Was asked to her back.

No, they're saying that the story lacks credibility because the guy who wrote it had previously written justifications for a war that were complete lies (which he later gloated about saying the ends justified the means). If he is willing to lie about reasons to go to war, then basically everything else he says should be highly suspect.

Basically these neocons whining about Trump have been proven to be liars on several other occasions. Why should we believe them now?

[Galloism]

It is riddled with small failures that eventually correct themselves.

"Small" is relative. Making everything more expensive because playing the system is more beneficial than contributing is not "small"

I believe that's called "consulting."

[Vassenor]

So apparently the Atlantic story isn’t true because the guy who wrote it started the Iraq war or something. I’m sure some Trump supporter will explain it as it works it’s way through the Trump-O-sphere.

The question “If he wasn’t lying why did he call it a hoax?” Was asked to her back.

No, they're saying that the story lacks credibility because the guy who wrote it had previously written justifications for a war that were complete lies (which he later gloated about saying the ends justified the means). If he is willing to lie about reasons to go to war, then basically everything else he says should be highly suspect.

Basically these neocons whining about Trump have been proven to be liars on several other occasions. Why should we believe them now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. In other words, a claim is ignored in favor of attacking or championing its source.

[Bear Stearns]

No, they're saying that the story lacks credibility because the guy who wrote it had previously written justifications for a war that were complete lies (which he later gloated about saying the ends justified the means). If he is willing to lie about reasons to go to war, then basically everything else he says should be highly suspect.

Basically these neocons whining about Trump have been proven to be liars on several other occasions. Why should we believe them now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. In other words, a claim is ignored in favor of attacking or championing its source.

I mean the difference here is an "anonymous source" told him.

[Rusozak]

So apparently the Atlantic story isn’t true because the guy who wrote it started the Iraq war or something. I’m sure some Trump supporter will explain it as it works it’s way through the Trump-O-sphere.

The question “If he wasn’t lying why did he call it a hoax?” Was asked to her back.

No, they're saying that the story lacks credibility because the guy who wrote it had previously written justifications for a war that were complete lies (which he later gloated about saying the ends justified the means). If he is willing to lie about reasons to go to war, then basically everything else he says should be highly suspect.

Basically these neocons whining about Trump have been proven to be liars on several other occasions. Why should we believe them now?

It sure fits Trump's narrative though. Remember when he was attacking McCain because he was a PoW in the same war Trump ducked out of being drafted in? You can't deny that. He said that shit on live television.

[The Alma Mater]

"Small" is relative. Making everything more expensive because playing the system is more beneficial than contributing is not "small"

I believe that's called "consulting."

Or "flash trading". There are numerous examples.
But since a mod already raised an eyebrow, perhaps this should be a new topic.