MAGAThread XIX: Hambergers, Noble Prizes, & Disinfectant

[Kiu Ghesik]

>MAGAThread

>JSDF

What happened here that this discussion is still going on today?

[Loben III]

>MAGAThread

>JSDF

What happened here that this discussion is still going on today?

people living in fear of the co prosperity sphere.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Japan is one of our strongest allies in the Pacific and by limiting them, we force ourselves to spend more money and send more troops protecting them.

see? besides they are great partners and have produced (and improved upon) our designs. The F-2 didnt appear from out of the blue.

Time and time again we have regretted our decision to place these limitations. Just a few years after creating their constitution, we could have used their help in the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and our conflicts in the Middle East, however they could only take a side role, never really sending combat troops to help us.

Even recently with reinterpretations by the LDP, Japanese forces in the Middle East were not allowed legally to protect partner forces unless they themselves came under direct attack.

Now even more with tensions with China and North Korea, we cannot afford them to take a sideline role in a war against one of those powerful nations.

[Senkaku]

The only thing worse than trying to justify atrocities is trying to pretend they never happened. It just shows you know it was wrong but refuse to accept it because it was your guys who did it.

American G.I.s aren't communist propagandists.

What is stated in the textbooks is consistent with facts provided by the Liberal Democratic Party and the Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform.

That is not the same as being consistent with actual fact.

It is funny that you do not recognize your own injustices against the Japanese people including but not limited to internment camps, the rapes and murders committed by allied personnel, and other warcrimes.

The US has apologized for and paid recompense (albeit belatedly) to survivors of the internment camps and children learn about them in school (though there's a strong case to be made that it's still an episode we don't learn enough from and brush under the rug), and we still learn about and debate the firebombings and nuclear attacks. Japan seems to struggle quite a bit more with acknowledging its wartime crimes.

Just remember that unlike Germany, which was totally denazified, the racism that drove Japanese imperialism is still alive in Japan. The last thing any of us should want is a near future where the Japanese diet say "now we got a full fledged war machine of an army. Let's force everyone around us to suck our cocks."

so Japan should prostrate itself forever and be weak when China is breathing down its neck?

Asking Japan to acknowledge historical fact is not the same as asking it to prostrate itself to China. A strong nation should be able to honestly face the dark parts of its own history, certainly if it hopes to re-arm while avoiding its past errors.

[Myrensis]

To maybe steer things back on topic....
Trump launches unprecedented attack on military leadership he appointed

"I'm not saying the military's in love with me -- the soldiers are, the top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy,"

This guy is just... Is draft dodging Donald, the man that thinks KIA and PoW soldiers are losers, saying soldiers love him, and go on to imply he's a champion of peace and praised the arms industry in the same incoherent rambling of a sentence?

So this means we can slash military spending right?

Or more likely, conservatives will just add it to the ever growing cognitive dissonance complex they have to maintain to preserve their loyalty to Dear Leader.

We need huge military budgets to make our military great! But also the only reason the military needs those huge budgets is because the evil Generals and defense contractors want endless wars!

[Senkaku]

To maybe steer things back on topic....
Trump launches unprecedented attack on military leadership he appointed

"I'm not saying the military's in love with me -- the soldiers are, the top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy,"

Imagine if a Democratic president had said this while making a case for defense cuts or procurement reform loooool

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

What is stated in the textbooks is consistent with facts provided by the Liberal Democratic Party and the Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform.

That is not the same as being consistent with actual fact.

It is funny that you do not recognize your own injustices against the Japanese people including but not limited to internment camps, the rapes and murders committed by allied personnel, and other warcrimes.

The US has apologized for and paid recompense (albeit belatedly) to survivors of the internment camps and children learn about them in school (though there's a strong case to be made that it's still an episode we don't learn enough from and brush under the rug), and we still learn about and debate the firebombings and nuclear attacks. Japan seems to struggle quite a bit more with acknowledging its wartime crimes.

so Japan should prostrate itself forever and be weak when China is breathing down its neck?

Asking Japan to acknowledge historical fact is not the same as asking it to prostrate itself to China. A strong nation should be able to honestly face the dark parts of its own history, certainly if it hopes to re-arm while avoiding its past errors.

What is stated by the LDP and the very smart leaders of the Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform is generally fact.

It is very clearly not addressed the American and allied rapes and murders of innocent Japanese civilians. Have you ever learned that in school?

Rearmament and acknowledgement of false allegations are not connected. All Japan needs to do in its rearmament is learn from past military mistakes. Look at North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran. They all have committed horrible civil rights abuses that they do not acknowledge but that has not stopped them from rearmament and having some of the world's most powerful armies. Why limit ourselves and our allies like that. It is insanely stupid and wrong.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It is very clearly not addressed the American and allied rapes and murders of innocent Japanese civilians. Have you ever learned that in school?

Is this whataboutism supposed to mean something?

false allegations.

“False allegations “ Lol.

[Bear Stearns]

On the topic World War II atrocities, we will probably never know the full extent of war crimes committed on Eastern Front, particularly by Soviet, Polish, and Ukrainian nationalist forces, many of which have been erroneously attributed to the Germans or just denied entirely.

I'd imagine that a full of revelation of Soviet war crimes would certainly put the German campaign in a new perspective. The idea of the Nazis being "uniquely" evil would certainly crumble. The fact that Soviet judges sat at Nuremberg is itself a mockery of justice.

[Gravlen]

On the topic World War II atrocities

which is off topic, by the way.

[The Rich Port]

On the topic World War II atrocities

which is off topic, by the way.

I mean the Nazis killed millions of people... But what about the Polish though?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics ... index.html

you know I should bring this to my military friend see what he thinks.

[Vassenor]

On the topic World War II atrocities, we will probably never know the full extent of war crimes committed on Eastern Front, particularly by Soviet, Polish, and Ukrainian nationalist forces, many of which have been erroneously attributed to the Germans or just denied entirely.

I'd imagine that a full of revelation of Soviet war crimes would certainly put the German campaign in a new perspective. The idea of the Nazis being "uniquely" evil would certainly crumble. The fact that Soviet judges sat at Nuremberg is itself a mockery of justice.

Are you seriously trying to BUT BOTH SIDES the Holocaust and everything else?

[Bear Stearns]

which is off topic, by the way.

I mean the Nazis killed millions of people... But what about the Polish though?

The Soviets killed millions of people, but what about the Nazis?

[Bear Stearns]

On the topic World War II atrocities, we will probably never know the full extent of war crimes committed on Eastern Front, particularly by Soviet, Polish, and Ukrainian nationalist forces, many of which have been erroneously attributed to the Germans or just denied entirely.

I'd imagine that a full of revelation of Soviet war crimes would certainly put the German campaign in a new perspective. The idea of the Nazis being "uniquely" evil would certainly crumble. The fact that Soviet judges sat at Nuremberg is itself a mockery of justice.

Are you seriously trying to BUT BOTH SIDES the Holocaust and everything else?

Are you saying that Soviet war crimes don't matter or "weren't as bad"?

[Vassenor]

Are you seriously trying to BUT BOTH SIDES the Holocaust and everything else?

Are you saying that Soviet war crimes don't matter or "weren't as bad"?

You're getting straw on the carpet.

[Sanghyeok]

Are you seriously trying to BUT BOTH SIDES the Holocaust and everything else?

Are you saying that Soviet war crimes don't matter or "weren't as bad"?

Of course. There's a different between war crimes and the level of crimes Nazis did. It's the same false equivalence between those saying "antifa is worse than white supremacy"

[Bear Stearns]

Are you saying that Soviet war crimes don't matter or "weren't as bad"?

Of course. There's a different between war crimes and the level of crimes Nazis did. It's the same false equivalence between those saying "antifa is worse than white supremacy"

Either you aren't aware of what the Soviets actually did in their bloody march across Eastern Europe or you're just making excuses for them because you actually sympathize with them.

[Gravlen]

which is off topic, by the way.

I mean the Nazis killed millions of people... But what about the Polish though?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics ... index.html

you know I should bring this to my military friend see what he thinks.

See if he thinks it's gone quiet... too quiet... from the West Wing.

[Gravlen]

It's not the president, but: When Donald Trump Jr. looks at Arlington National Cemetery, he can't help but think of all the money he's given up.

Meanwhile, it also took two months for me to realize the enormity of what my father had accomplished, and the weight of the job that he’d won. It was the day before the inauguration, and we were driving into Arlington National Cemetery, where he was to lay a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I rarely get emotional, if ever. I guess you’d call me hyper-rational, stoic. Yet, as we drove past the rows of white grave markers, in the gravity of the moment, I had a deep sense of the importance of the presidency and a love of our country. I was never prouder of my father than when I watched as he stood before the tomb, his hand over his heart, while the Army bugler played 'Taps.'

In that moment, I also thought of all the attacks we’d already suffered as a family, and about all the sacrifices we’d have to make to help my father succeed—voluntarily giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals to avoid the appearance that we were 'profiting off the office.

Shed a tear for his lost income!

[Necroghastia]

It's not the president, but: When Donald Trump Jr. looks at Arlington National Cemetery, he can't help but think of all the money he's given up.

Meanwhile, it also took two months for me to realize the enormity of what my father had accomplished, and the weight of the job that he’d won. It was the day before the inauguration, and we were driving into Arlington National Cemetery, where he was to lay a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I rarely get emotional, if ever. I guess you’d call me hyper-rational, stoic. Yet, as we drove past the rows of white grave markers, in the gravity of the moment, I had a deep sense of the importance of the presidency and a love of our country. I was never prouder of my father than when I watched as he stood before the tomb, his hand over his heart, while the Army bugler played 'Taps.'

In that moment, I also thought of all the attacks we’d already suffered as a family, and about all the sacrifices we’d have to make to help my father succeed—voluntarily giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals to avoid the appearance that we were 'profiting off the office.

Shed a tear for his lost income!

Speaking of the spawn, Eric doesn't understand how google works.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's not the president, but: When Donald Trump Jr. looks at Arlington National Cemetery, he can't help but think of all the money he's given up.

Meanwhile, it also took two months for me to realize the enormity of what my father had accomplished, and the weight of the job that he’d won. It was the day before the inauguration, and we were driving into Arlington National Cemetery, where he was to lay a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I rarely get emotional, if ever. I guess you’d call me hyper-rational, stoic. Yet, as we drove past the rows of white grave markers, in the gravity of the moment, I had a deep sense of the importance of the presidency and a love of our country. I was never prouder of my father than when I watched as he stood before the tomb, his hand over his heart, while the Army bugler played 'Taps.'

In that moment, I also thought of all the attacks we’d already suffered as a family, and about all the sacrifices we’d have to make to help my father succeed—voluntarily giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals to avoid the appearance that we were 'profiting off the office.

Shed a tear for his lost income!

No, man, 'psychopath'. When you don't feel emotions or empathy, we call that a 'psychopath.'

[The Black Forrest]

Are you seriously trying to BUT BOTH SIDES the Holocaust and everything else?

Are you saying that Soviet war crimes don't matter or "weren't as bad"?

Wellll they did them to Nazis so was it that bad.

Seriously, what has this discussion have to do with the Maga thread?

[The Rich Port]

It's not the president, but: When Donald Trump Jr. looks at Arlington National Cemetery, he can't help but think of all the money he's given up.

Meanwhile, it also took two months for me to realize the enormity of what my father had accomplished, and the weight of the job that he’d won. It was the day before the inauguration, and we were driving into Arlington National Cemetery, where he was to lay a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I rarely get emotional, if ever. I guess you’d call me hyper-rational, stoic. Yet, as we drove past the rows of white grave markers, in the gravity of the moment, I had a deep sense of the importance of the presidency and a love of our country. I was never prouder of my father than when I watched as he stood before the tomb, his hand over his heart, while the Army bugler played 'Taps.'

In that moment, I also thought of all the attacks we’d already suffered as a family, and about all the sacrifices we’d have to make to help my father succeed—voluntarily giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals to avoid the appearance that we were 'profiting off the office.

Shed a tear for his lost income!

Notice how he said.

The appearance that we're profiting

... Is he saying they're still profiting from their business while in office and that only the appearance that they are is gone?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The only thing worse than trying to justify atrocities is trying to pretend they never happened. It just shows you know it was wrong but refuse to accept it because it was your guys who did it.

American G.I.s aren't communist propagandists.

What is stated in the textbooks is consistent with facts provided by the Liberal Democratic Party and the Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform.

It is funny that you do not recognize your own injustices against the Japanese people including but not limited to internment camps, the rapes and murders committed by allied personnel, and other warcrimes.

Who is "you"? I recognize all of them. As do the overwhelming majority of Americans. The overwhelming majority of Americans know about these things. We literally fucking learn about the interment camps in school. And the Trail of Tears. And other atrocities the U.S. has committed in it's history. You're so full of shit.

[Sanghyeok]

What is stated in the textbooks is consistent with facts provided by the Liberal Democratic Party and the Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform.

It is funny that you do not recognize your own injustices against the Japanese people including but not limited to internment camps, the rapes and murders committed by allied personnel, and other warcrimes.

Who is "you"? I recognize all of them. As do the overwhelming majority of Americans. The overwhelming majority of Americans know about these things. We literally fucking learn about the interment camps in school. And the Trail of Tears. And other atrocities the U.S. has committed in it's history. You're so full of shit.

There remain many ignorant Americans who don't know about it. This is not their failure, this is the failure of the educational system.