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Postby Empirical Switzerland » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
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The only reason why Tel voted for Trump is for

1) Guns
2) A SCOTUS majority to protect guns
3) To spite Democrats.

Has this not been clear?


Just the top two, I really don't give a shit what Democrats do as long as they stop trying to hurt me.

Agreed.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:29 pm

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Beacuse he did. Hold people to the standards they atleast make for them selves.

Beacuse he lied to you? Manipulated you into voteing for him only for him not to do the thing you voted him for?


It's a dumb standard, I'm not obligated to be dumb just because someone else is dumb.

Got some sauce on that?


If you voted for him to elimate the debt then you where lied to. He told you one thing to get you to vote for him and when voted in didnt do that one thing.

It would be like buying a light bulb to replace a burnt out one, then when your home you put the light bulb in it doesn't work. The advertisements said it would work but when you put it in it didn't work.

Would you ever buy a light bulb from that brand again?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:30 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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He did become Hillary Clinton? Fuck man that's trippy.

He cared about the debt back in 2016. He should care about it now. Trump supporters should care about that now and not blindy worship him.


I voted for Trump not because I actually believed that he'd do anything, but because he'd stall the advance of neoliberalism across the globe, intentionally or not. In fact, a president who was elected and did absolutely nothing would probably go down as one of the greatest modern presidents in history, simply because he didn't proactively make things worse. Trump buys us time to get a real nationalist opposition up and running while it can still be achieved peacefully and also he serves as a powerful symbol. Anything he manages to achieve is just gravy, and the wrath he has incurred from his opposition vindicates him.

When Trump actually acts like a traditional politician is when I'm most upset with him, such as when he tries to instigate war with Iran, arms Ukrainians (contrary to Russiagate conspiracy theorists, Trump has been incredibly militant against them), showers Israel with taxpayer money, and pushes the Romney/Ryan economic agenda. The ship is already sinking, but Trump puts enough air into the hull for us to try and organize a proper exit strategy.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:30 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Funny thing is I don't give a shit one way or another about the US debt. What I care about is the Truth. He said that he would eliminate the us debt or atleast a percentage of it in 8 years.

It's been four and 6 trillion dollars of debt have been spent.


>eliminate the debt.


Hey he said it not me.

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Postby Loben III » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:31 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Loben III wrote:
>eliminate the debt.


Hey he said it not me.


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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:31 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's a dumb standard, I'm not obligated to be dumb just because someone else is dumb.

Got some sauce on that?


If you voted for him to elimate the debt then you where lied to. He told you one thing to get you to vote for him and when voted in didnt do that one thing.

It would be like buying a light bulb to replace a burnt out one, then when your home you put the light bulb in it doesn't work. The advertisements said it would work but when you put it in it didn't work.

Would you ever buy a light bulb from that brand again?


I didn't vote for him to eliminate the debt though. I voted for him to not be Hillary Clinton. And, as far as I am aware, he has spent every single second of his time in office being someone other than Hillary Clinton. So why should I be disappointed, he's literally met 100% of my expectations.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The only reason why Tel voted for Trump is for

1) Guns
2) A SCOTUS majority to protect guns
3) To spite Democrats.

Has this not been clear?


Just the top two, I really don't give a shit what Democrats do as long as they stop trying to hurt me.


And here we go again. The "people who don't agree with me want to hurt you" angle. No one wants to hurt you just beacuse they don't agree with you.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:32 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Loben III wrote:
>eliminate the debt.


Hey he said it not me.


The debt will never be eliminated as long as America remains an imperial power acting belligerently across the globe.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:32 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Just the top two, I really don't give a shit what Democrats do as long as they stop trying to hurt me.


And here we go again. The "people who don't agree with me want to hurt you" angle. No one wants to hurt you just beacuse they don't agree with you.


If you don't think prison is hurtful, that's not my fault.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
If you voted for him to elimate the debt then you where lied to. He told you one thing to get you to vote for him and when voted in didnt do that one thing.

It would be like buying a light bulb to replace a burnt out one, then when your home you put the light bulb in it doesn't work. The advertisements said it would work but when you put it in it didn't work.

Would you ever buy a light bulb from that brand again?


I didn't vote for him to eliminate the debt though. I voted for him to not be Hillary Clinton. And, as far as I am aware, he has spent every single second of his time in office being someone other than Hillary Clinton. So why should I be disappointed, he's literally met 100% of my expectations.


K but what about the people who did? The people who did vote for him to eliminate the US debt?

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Postby Empirical Switzerland » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:33 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:He cared about the debt back in 2016. He should care about it now. Trump supporters should care about that now and not blindy worship him.


I voted for Trump not because I actually believed that he'd do anything, but because he'd stall the advance of neoliberalism across the globe, intentionally or not. In fact, a president who was elected and did absolutely nothing would probably go down as one of the greatest modern presidents in history, simply because he didn't proactively make things worse. Trump buys us time to get a real nationalist opposition up and running while it can still be achieved peacefully and also he serves as a powerful symbol. Anything he manages to achieve is just gravy, and the wrath he has incurred from his opposition vindicates him.

When Trump actually acts like a traditional politician is when I'm most upset with him, such as when he tries to instigate war with Iran, arms Ukrainians (contrary to Russiagate conspiracy theorists, Trump has been incredibly militant against them), showers Israel with taxpayer money, and pushes the Romney/Ryan economic agenda. The ship is already sinking, but Trump puts enough air into the hull for us to try and organize a proper exit strategy.

Great points made. I find it really dumb how people immediately said it was a 'Russian Collusion'
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:35 pm

Telconi wrote:
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And here we go again. The "people who don't agree with me want to hurt you" angle. No one wants to hurt you just beacuse they don't agree with you.


If you don't think prison is hurtful, that's not my fault.



No one wants you to go to prison for disagreeing with them. This idea thats stuck in your head is bullshit.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:36 pm

Empirical Switzerland wrote:
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I voted for Trump not because I actually believed that he'd do anything, but because he'd stall the advance of neoliberalism across the globe, intentionally or not. In fact, a president who was elected and did absolutely nothing would probably go down as one of the greatest modern presidents in history, simply because he didn't proactively make things worse. Trump buys us time to get a real nationalist opposition up and running while it can still be achieved peacefully and also he serves as a powerful symbol. Anything he manages to achieve is just gravy, and the wrath he has incurred from his opposition vindicates him.

When Trump actually acts like a traditional politician is when I'm most upset with him, such as when he tries to instigate war with Iran, arms Ukrainians (contrary to Russiagate conspiracy theorists, Trump has been incredibly militant against them), showers Israel with taxpayer money, and pushes the Romney/Ryan economic agenda. The ship is already sinking, but Trump puts enough air into the hull for us to try and organize a proper exit strategy.

Great points made. I find it really dumb how people immediately said it was a 'Russian Collusion'


The whole fuckin' country finds it dumb.

It's interesting though how there is very solid, tangible evidence that Israel interfered in our election (admittedly on behalf of Trump), but no one wants to discuss that :^)
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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:36 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
If you don't think prison is hurtful, that's not my fault.



No one wants you to go to prison for disagreeing with them. This idea thats stuck in your head is bullshit.


And the WBC doesn't want to hurt gay people either. :roll:
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:36 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I didn't vote for him to eliminate the debt though. I voted for him to not be Hillary Clinton. And, as far as I am aware, he has spent every single second of his time in office being someone other than Hillary Clinton. So why should I be disappointed, he's literally met 100% of my expectations.


K but what about the people who did? The people who did vote for him to eliminate the US debt?


Uh...like who?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:37 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I didn't vote for him to eliminate the debt though. I voted for him to not be Hillary Clinton. And, as far as I am aware, he has spent every single second of his time in office being someone other than Hillary Clinton. So why should I be disappointed, he's literally met 100% of my expectations.


K but what about the people who did? The people who did vote for him to eliminate the US debt?


Do these people exist, and if so why is it my problem?
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Postby Loben III » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:37 pm

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K but what about the people who did? The people who did vote for him to eliminate the US debt?


Uh...like who?


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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:38 pm

Loben III wrote:
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Uh...like who?


I’m certain somewhere a boomer is very upset


You're probably not wrong.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:38 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Beacuse he did. Hold people to the standards they atleast make for them selves.

Beacuse he lied to you? Manipulated you into voteing for him only for him not to do the thing you voted him for?


The only reason why Tel voted for Trump is for

1) Guns
2) A SCOTUS majority to protect guns
3) To spite Democrats.

Has this not been clear?

Which is strange, since Trump used regulatory power to ban bumpstocks and signed a bill that strengthened the NICS. In exchange he made it okay to hunt on federal lands and use lead again. Oh, and made it easier for the mentally ill to get a firearm.

Meanwhile, firearm prosecutions have increased under Trump.

Meanwhile, Obama wasn't able to enact any significant changes to gun law and instead allowed research on gun violence and tracing guns used in crimes to determine trafficking patterns.

So Trump lied to him about that, too. Unless mentally handicapped people firing lead into federal land and creating more mental health issues was what he was really after.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:39 pm

Loben III wrote:
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Uh...like who?


I’m certain somewhere a boomer is very upset


Yeah, all the dipshit boomers who voted for Jeb Bush I suppose would be upset.

People with "Reagan/Bush '84" t-shirts are tools.
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Postby No State Here » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:39 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:He cared about the debt back in 2016. He should care about it now. Trump supporters should care about that now and not blindy worship him.


I voted for Trump not because I actually believed that he'd do anything, but because he'd stall the advance of neoliberalism across the globe, intentionally or not. In fact, a president who was elected and did absolutely nothing would probably go down as one of the greatest modern presidents in history,

You summed up Calvin Coolidge right there
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:42 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
K but what about the people who did? The people who did vote for him to eliminate the US debt?


Uh...like who?

The people who did. There was a reason why he said it, to attract voters. People suported him beacuse of it. These people where lied too.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:42 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

No one wants you to go to prison for disagreeing with them. This idea thats stuck in your head is bullshit.


And the WBC doesn't want to hurt gay people either. :roll:

Bruh

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm

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I voted for Trump not because I actually believed that he'd do anything, but because he'd stall the advance of neoliberalism across the globe, intentionally or not. In fact, a president who was elected and did absolutely nothing would probably go down as one of the greatest modern presidents in history,

You summed up Calvin Coolidge right there


He didn't exactly go down as one of the greatest modern presidents, though.
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Postby Empirical Switzerland » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm

*were lied to
Is what I think you meant. Just letting ya know.
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